Have you Dying Vinyl Parts?

[mluder]

I'm curious about those who have gone through the re-dying of the vinyl in their cars - especially the grey.

I know that the dying process doesn't typically reproduce the rippled effect the original finish had. Has anyone found any information on how the originals were created, process involved. I'm curious if this can be reporduced. I'm thinking along the lines of tie dying. Dying a base coat of light color and then pre-wrinkling the material before applying the darker color. Then when it's stretched again it would have that rippled two tone look.

I'm sure that the new reproduction parts don't attempt to replicate the ripple because it probably takes time and money to do it... just cheaper to make it uniform color.

Any thoughts?

Steve
#4456

[Mike C.]

Hi Steve,
I have actually re-dyed my entire interior from the gray to black.

Before pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF1262.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF1262.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF1263.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF1263.jpg)

During pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2444.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2444.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2443.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2443.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2442.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2442.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2441.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2441.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2440.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2440.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2439.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2439.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2438.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2438.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2437.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2437.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2436.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2436.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2434.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2434.jpg)

After pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2454.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2454.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2452.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2452.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2448.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2448.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2494.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2494.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2490.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2490.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2484.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2484.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2483.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2483.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2479.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2479.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2477.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2477.jpg)

The SEM line of products is fantastic for all vinyl products. Were you looking to keep the interior gray?

[r00b]

I know that the dying process doesn't typically reproduce the rippled effect the original finish had.

It doesn't need to, it shows through.


I'm thinking along the lines of tie dying. Dying a base coat of light color and then pre-wrinkling the material before applying the darker color.

Not exactly sure what you mean but it sounds like a bad Idea. Dying the original vinyl will give you what what you want. If you recover it with vinyl you won't be able to find vinyl with ripples in it.

[mluder]

I wanted to keep the original grey. Unfortunately I have some bad brownish sun discoloration spots on the top edge.

I was under the impression that the dye was pretty opaqe and so the original 2 tone ripple effect was no longer visible.

Do you have any good pictures of a grey re-dye r00b? The ones at DMCH site are hard to tell. I know there right side is a black part dyed grey and it looks pretty monotone.

Thanks
Steve
#4456

[Chris 16409]

I've re-dyed my gray interior. I can upload some pictures of my car after the re-dye. My dashboard was all brown and discolored. The dye I used (From Martin in the UK) worked out great. We have been trying to find a way to get this stuff shipped over. Currently you can't ship aerosols over seas. I remember people also have used dye from SEM with good results too.

[Mike C.]

I have also done a re-dye on a gray car as well and it too had come out perfect.

The key is definitely your prep work, no matter what dye you are using. Poor prep = dye that lifts up, chipping, and flaking.

Layer that sucker up too. Many light coats are much, much better than a couple of heavy coats.

Im over a year in and have had no chipping issues at all. Since the car was dyed disassembled, there are no light spray areas. It's all dyed front and back.

[r00b]

I was under the impression that the dye was pretty opaqe
Correct.


so the original 2 tone ripple effect was no longer visible.

Black and Grey interior cars had monotone vinyl. Chirs' interior mostly came out very nice. His pictures will show you what it should look like.

Do you have some pictures of yours so we can see what you mean by 2 tone?

[DMC3165]

I redyed my grey interior with Acura Charcoal color vinyl paint from SEM. I did most of it about six months ago and i just bought a new Black B-pillar speaker cover and it covered the black perfectly. The next thing I'm getting is a new black binnacle that i plan on painting grey as well and i don't see any problems doing it at all.

[Dracula]

I've a little experience on black parts that were dyed gray and the biggest thing I'd recommend is to do every part of the car at the same time to give the car a uniform color. I had a few black pieces next to some gray dyed pieces that were done at different times and in a few places, you could tell that they were dyed because the color was different from the surrounding leather.

Interestingly, I've got a 1974 Dodge that's done up in this hideous green color that I'm going to rectify by dying the entire car to a darker tan when I get back home this June. I'll be sure to post a few pictures of the car then.

[Chris 16409]

I've attached a shot of the car after I finished the re-dye. The camera made things a bit lighter in some spots.

[mluder]

Thanks for all the replies.

I went and looked again and it's hard to tell in the light in the garage... I'll hav to get it out in the daylight and take some pictures. Maybe I'm seeing things. I know the ripple is a textural thing but I was almost certain it had a kind of color graining effect as well. Maybe it's just the play of light and shadow on the texture.

I'll upload some pics later if I can cath it... and so you can see the extent of the sun damage.

Some pictures of your results would be great, Chris. BTW, I had gotten a reponse from Martin when I posted the same question on DMCHELP. He too mentioned his product and the inability to send it here. I have a brother inthe army who's in stationed in Germany for at least annother month. I might see if Martin can ship to him and then he can bring it back when he comes stateside.

DMC3165 - You might want to wait on that binnacle. DMCH is about to go into production with new parts in both black and grey. Info is at DMCHELP.COM.

Cheers.

Steve
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[DCUK Martin]

The interior of this car was done using the same dye as Chris has used. The seats are original so you get an idea of the colour match. The binnacle was skinned from scratch witht he dye after I rebuilt it with flexible filler.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBZlRYb9zQc

[QuadcityDMC]

My vinyl had been dyed and sprayed and everything you can think of done to it. I end up finding the same vinyl DMCH is using for their repo parts and recoverd all my parts. It looks like a new car. I'll post some photos soon.

[David T]

I redyed an interior. As mentioned proper prep is key. You MUST properly clean and prime the parts. Best if you can remove them. You will also discover you cannot do just one of only a couple of parts, once you start you will want to do them all so everything looks the same. Plasticolor and SEM both make excellent products but you must follow the directions closely. Many light coats work better and just a couple of heavy coats. This is not paint, it is dye and works a little differently. One "trick" I used was to hold the spray can farther away then normal. It leaves a very dry "orange peely" rough finish very much like the pebbled original texture.
David Teitelbaum

[DeloreanJoshQ]

What part number of SEM Black Trim Dye do you use? Is it the black satin dye?

JQ

[TTait]

I redyed an interior. As mentioned proper prep is key. You MUST properly clean and prime the parts. Best if you can remove them. You will also discover you cannot do just one of only a couple of parts, once you start you will want to do them all so everything looks the same. Plasticolor and SEM both make excellent products but you must follow the directions closely. Many light coats work better and just a couple of heavy coats. This is not paint, it is dye and works a little differently. One "trick" I used was to hold the spray can farther away then normal. It leaves a very dry "orange peely" rough finish very much like the pebbled original texture.
David Teitelbaum


I've used both the plastikote and the SEM, and I'm much happier with the SEM product. Color match is better (using SEM Acura Charcoal Grey), the finish looked better (more of a dye than a paint) and the plastikote outgassed for a long time leaving a fog on the interior glass that I had to clean off at least weekly for about 2 years.

I think one reason the it may be working better is that I also purchased a can each of the plastic prep spray and the vinyl prep spray.

I have no complaints about the SEM products and I've done 1.5 cars so far.

[john 05141]

Hey I have a black armrest with a grey interiour too. Big improvement, but that is apersonal taste.
I have also dyed my interiour, it was gray original. I had the seats recoved professionally 5 years ago. The armrest was recovered in blackk leather last spring.

John

[DeloreanJoshQ]

Hi Steve,
I have actually re-dyed my entire interior from the gray to black.

Before pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF1262.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF1262.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF1263.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF1263.jpg)

During pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2444.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2444.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2443.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2443.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2442.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2442.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2441.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2441.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2440.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2440.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2439.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2439.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2438.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2438.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2437.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2437.jpg)http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2436.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2436.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2434.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2434.jpg)

After pics:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2454.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2454.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2452.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2452.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2448.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2448.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2494.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2494.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2490.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2490.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2484.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2484.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2483.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2483.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2479.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2479.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/th_DSCF2477.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v43/michael_cole/16336/DSCF2477.jpg)

The SEM line of products is fantastic for all vinyl products. Were you looking to keep the interior gray?

SEM carries the following black vinyl paints:

GM Black
Midnight Black (Ford)
Landau Black
Gloss Black
Satin Black


Which of these would most closely match the original black for the interior panels?
I would greatly appreciate it.

[sdg3205]

Has anyone come across a good crack filler for the dash and binnacle that can be dyed as well?

I figure a decent attempt at this on my part must look better than the crack-ridden version I'm currently sporting.

[TTait]

I used a vinyl spackle as an experiment a few years ago, with a vinyl spray on orange peel, but it chips. It did take the dye though.

At some point I'll touch up, and then try coating it with rustoleum spray vinyl - its not a paint, but actually a spray on vinyl product - think of it as tool dip in a spray can. It worked well when restoring an armrest a while back. I have it in black but it ought to take the dye just fine. Its possible that with a more elastic spray on layer on top it might not chip up.

[DCUK Martin]

Has anyone come across a good crack filler for the dash and binnacle that can be dyed as well?

See my earlier video. That was done with flexible bumper filler - and was the result of an experiment that I really didn't expect to work out!

[Henrik]

It seems like the SEM product line is preferred for dying or coloring the interior, but exactly which kind and which hue do you choose if you want to replicate the D black and D grey as closely as possible?

This is as far as I have gotten:

http://semproducts.com/product-catalog/flexible-coatings/

[dmc6960]

I used SEM Color Coat Medium Slate Gray. Good match to the new seat covers I got.

Others have used SEM Classic Coat Acura Gray. I have not seen this color and cannot comment.

[john 05141]

I had a small crack and I filled it with a silicone that can be painted. It is not 100% invisible,, but you will have to look where I did this.
I dyed the interior a few years ago, and still looks very good, and no sign of wear either. I applied 5 or 6 very thin coats.

John

[Henrik]

I dyed the interior a few years ago, and still looks very good, and no sign of wear either. I applied 5 or 6 very thin coats.

John

What dye did you use? (Mfr, color etc)

[john 05141]

Good question, I got these from a DeLorean service in Belgium (Bruges) he has those custom made. Several Delorean were dyed that way, all very good in color and quality. The nozzle of the can is also excellent. expensice to send to the US, but PM me is you want his e-mail.

John

[Henrik]

Good question, I got these from a DeLorean service in Belgium (Bruges) he has those custom made. Several Delorean were dyed that way, all very good in color and quality. The nozzle of the can is also excellent. expensice to send to the US, but PM me is you want his e-mail.

John

Thanks for the offer. I think I will go to the closest SEM dealer and bring some remnants of my new (non-stock, very light grey) carpeting and find the best dye that way. I might buy a variety and see what looks best. This will be used for the hard plastic parts. I will then have a seamstress-upholster the remaining "soft" pieces using vinyl of the same color. I am going for a mix of black and light grey. But then again, I can't do a darn thing for the next two months cause the Texas heat is grueling. It's hot in the garage and even stickier working inside a car....

[john 05141]

I had my binacle recovered. They did a good job, but the color was a bit lighter than the rest of the car and I did not like that difference, where some people said they like it better that way.
The picture shows the Delorean when I just got it with the binacle recovered. So I removed the binacle again, and dyed it. Looks better but there was still a diference, so I did the dash too, but now you could see the difference on the a pillars, so I decided to do the whole interior.
Not such a hard job to do.

I know Texas very well, its heat is intense. I would spray a test material and put it on your dash of your daily driver and see how it goes.

John

[sdg3205]

What is the number for the SEM black vinyl dye? As in the number on the can?

[EdR5150]

For black, many people use SEM Color Coat Landau Black, SEM15013.

[sdg3205]

Great thanks,

Is that an alternative to the charcoal black mentioned earlier? I want to match a piece to the stock black colour, as opposed to re-dye everything, so I'm just being sure.

[EdR5150]

Great thanks,

Is that an alternative to the charcoal black mentioned earlier? I want to match a piece to the stock black colour, as opposed to re-dye everything, so I'm just being sure.

It looks like the SEM Acura charcoal might have been used to match the stock grey, and not the black: http://images10.newegg.com/NeweggImage/productimage/A12E_1_20130213118830823.jpg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA12E0JM0253

I personally have used Landau black to dye my kneepads, door panels, and door trim. I don't know how well it matches the stock black since my interior had been sun damaged, and recovered with different vinyl. My center console is in decent condition, but is now off by a shade or two. As I replace more pieces, I'll probably end up re-dying everything with Landau to match perfectly.

[mluder]

It seems as though SEM no longer lists Acura Charcoal Grey 17333 on their site anymore. Any one else notice this? I wonder if it has a like replacement?

[PB Co]

We have to be using this stuff more than Acura guys right? Short of a few Legends and plenty of Integras still out there who is restoring an Acura instead of buying new?

That said, I hope it is just a production gap, because I need some too. Perhaps they will replace it with DMC12 grey?

I read that the UK guys have their own made in the exact color. Maybe it about time we did that on this side of the water. Unless there's a way to import.

[mluder]

We have to be using this stuff more than Acura guys right? Short of a few Legends and plenty of Integras still out there who is restoring an Acura instead of buying new?

That said, I hope it is just a production gap, because I need some too. Perhaps they will replace it with DMC12 grey?

I read that the UK guys have their own made in the exact color. Maybe it about time we did that on this side of the water. Unless there's a way to import.

You can still buy from various on-line sources - Amazon, etc. I'm sure they're just selling through stock on hand. However, the number and color name no longer appear on SEM's website.

[sdg3205]

Steve,

I just bought 6 cans on eBay. Came to under $80 with shipping.

This stuff will be like matching tire sizes in a couple years.

GOLD, JERRY!!!! GOLD!!!

[mluder]

Steve,

I just bought 6 cans on eBay. Came to under $80 with shipping.

This stuff will be like matching tire sizes in a couple years.

GOLD, JERRY!!!! GOLD!!!

:giddy:
Yeah... A couple of Amazon sellers have them too... Gonna have to get some. How many cans does it take to do the entire interior - Not including seat of course but all the panels and pads?

[sdg3205]

Not that much honestly. Maybe 2 cans? You do such light coatings.

[DavidProehl]

It seems as though SEM no longer lists Acura Charcoal Grey 17333 on their site anymore. Any one else notice this? I wonder if it has a like replacement?


Just received this email back from SEM so I thought I'd share:



Hello, David.

17333 Acura Charcoal has been discontinued. We continually update our color choices in our aerosol flexible coatings, adding new colors and dropping colors that have decreased in demand. It appears the closest CLASSIC COAT color to 17333 is 17213 GM Very Dark Gray. If you are touching up leather or vinyl, a mix formula for 17333 in our SURE-COAT flexible coating is available; if you are touching up plastic or vinyl, a mix formula for 17333 in our COLOR COAT mix system is available. If you are interested in having Acura Charcoal mixed in either SURE-COAT or COLOR COAT, let us know and we’ll give you the details.

[sdg3205]

That is a nice response. Coker tire ought to learn from them.

[Josh]

That is a nice response. Coker tire ought to learn from them.

x2, i want some rwl tires! Mine are on borrowed time.