SEDOC Gathering/Tech session, October 22nd.

[sean]

Ok, it took a couple of weeks but it seems this is the best time for folks and most don't mind a drive to the mountains. So here are the details:

WHEN: Saturday October 22nd, show up when you like, I'll be out there by 9:00am, til no later than 5:00, I got a dinner party to crash.
WHERE: My place, I'll pm an address when folks start to RSVP
WHAT: Anything really, so bring your cars and we will get at it. Since I need to roll early we could plan a cruise to Ron's place, pretty awesome drive.

So, all that said, please RSVP here with a time you will arrive, if you'll have your car and what you would like done to your car or what you'd like to see how to do.

So far who is in:
Kyle, tentative sans D
Derek, yes replace cam cover oring
Ben, most likely with car to do brakes
Ron, 50/50 with D
Sean
Mike with no D
Steve 50/50, with D replace CV boots.

[Soundkillr]

Im going to be there in my car, weather permitting. I will need to leave a little early. Id like to do frobt brake pads on mine.

[Ron]

I'm in for the duration.
(D, 50-50, waiting on my painter, still.)

[DL4567]

You know I'm in! :) Can we install the new o-ring on the back of my engine?

(the #3 part in this picture) http://www.delorean.com/store/c-329-1-1-4-timing-chains.aspx

I plan on coming for the whole day.

[sean]

Can we install the new o-ring on the back of my engine?


Sure thing.

[Dangermouse]

Sorry, count me out. :cry: Robotics tournament to attend

[nullset]

I'll be driving 2930 in the little five points halloween parade that morning.

--buddy

[sean]

Sorry, count me out. :cry: Robotics tournament to attend
Plot to keep my boot kit continues.....

I'll be driving 2930 in the little five points halloween parade that morning.

--buddy
Lame, you just don't want to foot the Sherpa bill to trek north georgia.

[Dangermouse]

Plot to keep my boot kit continues.....



I have a cunning plan to reunite them with you. I can't say much at the moment but it involves food and breasts., wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more

[Ryan]

Robotics tournament to attend

That sounds badass. Battle Droids?

I'll be at the tech session.

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100421115744/callofduty/images/thumb/a/a1/TrollFace-1-.png/300px-TrollFace-1-.png

[sean]

I have a cunning plan to reunite them with you. I can't say much at the moment but it involves food and breasts., wink, wink, nudge, nudge, say no more
unless you're teaming up with the Hooter's food bus and dahlonega is a stop, I don't see myself making it to another eye candy get together until Christmas time.




I'll be at the tech session.
ok, so Ryan is out. Anyone else?

[Ron]

ok, so Ryan is out.
Figures.

[Bikercmbc]

I'm in as of right now. wont be bringing my car though, haven't touched it since the last tech session and my wheel bearing is bad.

[SIMid]

Love to attend, but I guess that wont be happening! :lol:

[sean]

Love to attend, but I guess that wont be happening! :lol:

Well I'd expect you to show before Ryan.:p

[Dangermouse]

Well I'd expect you to show before Ryan.:p

Bazzinga !

[SIMid]

:lol:

[Mike C.]

Im in. No D, am coming in my daily driver focus. Gotta head back to NC that evening though for mom's 80th bday dinner. For some reason I had better show up... lol

[stevedmc]

As of right now I should be able to make it. I'm going to plan on being there before noon.

Now I just need to figure out where to get me some axle boots before I leave Friday.

[Mike C.]

There's a chance now that I won't be making it after all. Apparently even though I let my sister know I have plans for Saturday (the tech day), she went ahead and made all day plans with the family for my mom's birthday. So, to avoid being the schmuck of the family that weekend, I may be doing those plans instead....

[Ron]

There's a chance now that I won't be making it after all. Apparently even though I let my sister know I have plans for Saturday (the tech day), she went ahead and made all day plans with the family for my mom's birthday. So, to avoid being the schmuck of the family that weekend, I may be doing those plans instead....Dang it!

Well, if ya can't make it, give Mom a hug and wishes for us...and yeah, I guess Sis too...:deviltail:

[Ron]

OK, My D is out (painter:bawling:).

What are we going to do about lunch? I guess it depends on how long we'll be be working at Sean's and if anyone wants to cruise??? -- I'm thinking chip in for one of the old stand-bys (Pizza, etc) if we run out of time or interest? If not, it's ~1hr from Sean's to our place across the mountain and the Master said she could have us whatever we wanted by the time we got here, with a little heads up. I have one shop bay free (and a gravel lot) just in case we want to play the work end by ear...

Other projects?
Tools?

Time is getting short...WEIGH IN!!!

[sean]

OK, My D is out (painter:bawling:).


I swear if I didn't drive to your place and see it, I'd wonder if you had a D! :lol:

As for tools, the only thing I can think of is the boot clamp crimp for Steve but if he cant make it then nevermind.

As for lunch, we could cut out of my place around 12/1:00 and cruise to a place in town then you guys can make the run to your place, awesome drive btw!

[stevedmc]

If not, it's ~1hr from Sean's to our place across the mountain

Is this 1hr towards New Orleans or 1hr away from New Orleans? It makes a difference for me.

[sean]

Is this 1hr towards New Orleans or 1hr away from New Orleans? It makes a difference for me.

Away from NO.

[stevedmc]

Away from NO.

Ron sucks.

[sean]

Ron sucks.

Its really an awesome ride though, and I bet ron would let you sleep in the garage if you wanted to spend the night :)

[stevedmc]

Its really an awesome ride though, and I bet ron would let you sleep in the garage if you wanted to spend the night :)

Yeah, it should be fun. I was thinking about getting a hotel room somewhere Saturday night. I've got all day Sunday to drive home anyway.

On a positive note, I just got off the phone with Julie at DMCMW and the boots are now on order. I'm pretty certain I'll have them in time.

[DL4567]

There's a chance now that I won't be making it after all. Apparently even though I let my sister know I have plans for Saturday (the tech day), she went ahead and made all day plans with the family for my mom's birthday. So, to avoid being the schmuck of the family that weekend, I may be doing those plans instead....

Sounds like you should teach your sister that she can't ignore what you tell her and let her plan your time. Let her be the schmuck! :)

[sean]

Sounds like you should teach your sister that she can't ignore what you tell her and let her plan your time. Let her be the schmuck! :)

Pfffft, this from the guy who missed our fall meeting two years ago for what, a wedding! You missed out on that sweet flux raffle. ;)

[Soundkillr]

Well my brake pads are on the way. Hopefully the weather will be nice. Sean what time are we starting? Also can you pm address whenever...

[sean]

Well my brake pads are on the way. Hopefully the weather will be nice. Sean what time are we starting? Also can you pm address whenever...

I'll be out in the garage by 9:00, folks can show anytime from then on. Ill pm an address to those coming by Wednesday.

[DL4567]

Pfffft, this from the guy who missed our fall meeting two years ago for what, a wedding! You missed out on that sweet flux raffle. ;)

This is true. But I think it was the one wedding I couldn't skip. :)

[aludden]

I think I'll be coming also! My D just came out of a long hybernation, so it needs TLC. Thanks to Kyle, it's running again! Monday I broke my door handle, so need to replace that. And the brakes are really hard - maybe a vacuum leak?
Alex
:driving1:

[stevedmc]

I think I'll be coming also! My D just came out of a long hybernation, so it needs TLC. Thanks to Kyle, it's running again! Monday I broke my door handle, so need to replace that. And the brakes are really hard - maybe a vacuum leak?
Alex
:driving1:

Order yourself some metal door handles from DMCMW and I"ll install em for you. I replaced mine a month ago and I love them.

[sean]

We can eat lunch here before you guys cruise out. They have some good food and outside seating so we can watch the cars:
http://theshenaniganspub.typepad.com/

[007008]

I think I come join in.

[sean]

I think I come join in.

Summers in the house!?!?

[Dangermouse]

I think I come join in.


Summers in the house!?!?

cryptic post of the week !

[aludden]

Order yourself some metal door handles from DMCMW and I"ll install em for you. I replaced mine a month ago and I love them.

Thank you! Handle should get here tomorrow. Passenger side was already done, so just driver side. I can probably work on it with adult supervision :-)
It's not very cool to have to crawl on the passenger side to open the door...

I'll have a box full of parts with me, so any help/feedback on getting them installed will be much appreciated. I've had the car since '88 but I've only driven it for about 3 of all those years...

'see you Saturday!
Alex

[stevedmc]

It looks like I definately will be able to make it, unless the car breaks down on the way. My redneck cruise control is now installed and I've got my spare fuel pump stashed away in my storage compartment.

I'm planning to leave from work Friday and I'll drive until the car falls apart or I get sleepy. I plan to stop and sleep somewhere along the way, and then I'll hit the road early Saturday morning.

Am I going to be the only carb-tard there?

[sean]

Am I going to be the only carb-tard there?

So far, but we dont judge.

[007008]

I didn't know what happened to the forum until this past Saturday.

[Soundkillr]

So far, but we dont judge.

Speak for yourself. Im bringing a gavel. :)

[Ron]

I forget...Are you GTG on the AC Ben?

[Soundkillr]

Eh, i need about another can, and might try and fill on saturday, but because it still leaks some, i should replace my last small a/c hose with the pressure switch. That is the only other area i would think could contribute to a small leak. Ie. One can a year.
I dunno ron. Maybe ill just skip ac this time. Next tech session maybe we can replace the line going from condenser to dryer, and pressure switches.

[Ron]

:thumbup2:...I might just throw my big arse on a crotch rocket since the weather looks real good and the D is out, A-gain.

[Soundkillr]

:thumbup2:...I might just throw my big arse on a crotch rocket since the weather looks real good and the D is out, A-gain.

Nice! Do it! Its supposed to be an amazing weekend

[JoeyGowdy]

Hmm 50/50 expecting a delivery from uShip this weekend.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?1763-Attention-Truckers-New-York-to-Mississippi

http://mapping.uship.com/image.aspx?zip1=11224&zip2=38633&lat1=40.577387&lon1=-73.994493&lat2=34.638021&lon2=-89.177255&miles=1119&width=423&height=442&langculture=en-US

[stevedmc]

I got my boot kits today from DMCMW. I'm soo excited. Yippie!

[sean]

I got my boot kits today from DMCMW. I'm soo excited. Yippie!

Oh wait, you're still coming?

[Ron]

I'm not!

[sean]

I'm not!

Great, he ran off Mike and now Ron.

[stevedmc]

Oh wait, you're still coming?

Why wouldn't I?

[sean]

Why wouldn't I?

:D

[sphiend]

So far who is in:
Kyle, tentative sans D
Derek, yes replace cam cover oring
Ben, most likely with car to do brakes
Ron, 50/50 with D
Sean
Mike with no D
Steve 50/50, with D replace CV boots.

Unfortunately will not be making this one. Will catch you guys next time.

[sean]

Well here is the updated list as I have it:
Derek
Ben
Ron
Sean
Steve
Alex
Trevor

Am I missing anyone?

[Dangermouse]

rundmc had said he was going up. He was to courier the infamous boots......:hippo:

[sean]

rundmc had said he was going up. He was to courier the infamous boots......:hippo:

I sent him directions but did not hear back from him. I guess I can take the picture of my boot kit down from the wall now, sure been missing it :wink:

[JoeyGowdy]

Well here is the updated list as I have it:
Derek
Ben
Ron
Sean
Steve
Alex
Trevor
Am I missing anyone?

I already have your address.

[sean]

I already have your address.

I didnt include you in the list of attending because I wasn't sure if you were in. Has the status of your uShip changed to allow you to attend?

[nullset]

It looks like I definately will be able to make it, unless the car breaks down on the way. My redneck cruise control is now installed and I've got my spare fuel pump stashed away in my storage compartment.

I'm planning to leave from work Friday and I'll drive until the car falls apart or I get sleepy. I plan to stop and sleep somewhere along the way, and then I'll hit the road early Saturday morning.

Am I going to be the only carb-tard there?

If you make it to Atlanta, you're welcome to crash at my place. PM me for address/etc. I'm in the city proper, about an hour from Sean's, and right off 75/85/20.

--buddy

[sean]

If you make it to Atlanta, you're welcome to crash at my place. PM me for address/etc. I'm in the city proper, about an hour from Sean's, and right off 75/85/20.

--buddy

A virtual straight shot from buddy's place to mine too!

[JoeyGowdy]

I didnt include you in the list of attending because I wasn't sure if you were in. Has the status of your uShip changed to allow you to attend?

Should know later today, will keep you posted. :thumbup2:

[stevedmc]

rundmc had said he was going up. He was to courier the infamous boots......:hippo:

Rundmc or Stevedmc?

[sean]

Rundmc or Stevedmc?

Rundmc

See, I lent Dermot a set of steering rack boots AGES, :hihi2:, ago and he keeps telling me he is going to get me a replacement set but something always seems to come up :screwy:. So he claims rundmc, aka mike, will be bringing me my boots.

[stevedmc]

Before anyone gets mad and threatens to burn me at the event. I apologize for not liking what the confederate flag means to me.

[sean]

Before anyone gets mad and threatens to burn me at the event. I apologize for not liking what the confederate flag means to me.

Dude, don't make it an issue and it wont be one. I know JG is having a hard time letting it go but just drop it.

Edit
We're meeting for D's and having a good time, leave the grudges at home.

[stevedmc]

Dude, don't make it an issue and it wont be one. I know JG is having a hard time letting it go but just drop it.

I had forgotten about it. He sent me a PM this morning demanding an apology on behalf of all people of Mississippi.

[sean]

I had forgotten about it. He sent me a PM this morning demanding an apology on behalf of all people of Mississippi.

Ok, then take it to PM.

[JoeyGowdy]

I had forgotten about it. He sent me a PM this morning demanding an apology on behalf of all people of Mississippi.

Meh... bygones I suppose. It wasn't a PM (was on you wall (http://dmctalk.org/member.php?10-stevedmc&tab=visitor_messaging#visitor_messaging)) and it wasn't demanding ... it was more like sarcasm ...
though I've been told with my bipolar disorder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLWXHEfuZM0) and monotone voice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCf-XxJf1YI) it is really hard to tell the difference at times. -_-

[stevedmc]

Meh... bygones I suppose. It wasn't a PM (was on you wall (http://dmctalk.org/member.php?10-stevedmc&tab=visitor_messaging#visitor_messaging)) and it wasn't demanding ... it was more like sarcasm ...
though I've been told with my bipolar disorder (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FLWXHEfuZM0) and monotone voice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCf-XxJf1YI) it is really hard to tell the difference at times. -_-

Oh well. No hard feelings man. A lot of people love the flag without any hate, and I guess I just have a different opinion. Sorry if I offended you.

Anyway, we've all got things we disagree on. Sometimes its best just to agree to disagree.

What we do all like and love though, are these "silly little cars".

[Farrar]

I still have the carburetor off the intake manifold, no air conditioning, no cruise control, and no interior lights, so I will not be attending. Sorry, y'all.

Farrar

[sean]

I still have the carburetor off the intake manifold, no air conditioning, no cruise control, and no interior lights, so I will not be attending. Sorry, y'all.

Farrar

It was a long shot I suppose. Beers in Orlando though, I have not forgotten.

[stevedmc]

I could tow him with a rope.

[JoeyGowdy]

I could tow him with a rope.

Hmm, think that has already been done before:

http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/12/2006/03/medium_dmc_tow.jpg (http://jalopnik.com/161524/you-made-a-tow-truck-out-of-a-delorean)

source: http://jalopnik.com/161524/you-made-a-tow-truck-out-of-a-delorean

http://in2time.com/delorean-images/towed.jpg
http://in2time.com/delorean-images/roadside.jpg (http://in2time.com/delorean-gallery.htm)

source: http://in2time.com/index.html

[Dangermouse]

I sent him directions but did not hear back from him. I guess I can take the picture of my boot kit down from the wall now, sure been missing it :wink:
Not so fast.....

Rundmc

See, I lent Dermot a set of steering rack boots AGES, :hihi2:, ago and he keeps telling me he is going to get me a replacement set but something always seems to come up :screwy:. So he claims rundmc, aka mike, will be bringing me my boots.

ahem, rundmc tells me that he can't now make it. :blackeye: Hope these boots don't have an expiration date on them.......:elmo2:

[sean]

Not so fast.....


ahem, rundmc tells me that he can't now make it. :blackeye: Hope these boots don't have an expiration date on them.......:elmo2:

BAHAHAHAHAHA.... Oh great, now I gotta hound Mike about them :shocked:.

[Dangermouse]

BAHAHAHAHAHA.... Oh great, now I gotta hound Mike about them :shocked:.

actually, no, I still have them. I was to drop them off at his house today so that he could courier them up tomorrow.

But, in this case, feel free to shoot the messenger when you see him.......

[Ryan]

If my family wasn't in town, i swear i'd show up and ask everyone there if they have given their lives over to jesus christ.... of latterday saints. :deviltail:

Sean's mod powers are useless in real life muahahahahaha

[JoeyGowdy]

If my family wasn't in town, i swear i'd show up and ask everyone there if they have given their lives over to jesus christ.... of latterday saints. :deviltail: Sean's mod powers are useless in real life muahahahahaha

Hmm, perfect spot to use this shirt graphic: :rock_on:

http://www.sakis.co.uk/getattachment/8ab48192-9428-4038-92b4-53d5816a1791/Elvis-Jesus-Delorean-White-Tee.aspx

[007008]

Sean, What city is your address in? Dahlonega?

[Ron]

If my family wasn't in town...You'd pay someone else for an excuse...


Beers in Orlando though, I have not forgotten...um.....Oh, I get it!!! -- I don't have a D so can I ride with you?

[Dangermouse]

Just come in from outside. What a perfect day! You guys must be having a great time

[Freaky Beetle]

Just come in from outside. What a perfect day! You guys must be having a great time

I was thinking the same thing! See you guys next time!

[sean]

Just come in from outside. What a perfect day! You guys must be having a great time


I was thinking the same thing! See you guys next time!

We did!
By my count we:
Replaced 4 CV boots
Replaced Driver's side door handle
Replaced Driver's side inner door seal
Replaced a set of front breaks
Fixed a fuel filter leak
Replace a set of AC idler bearings
Diagnosed many issues
Mocked each other for random things
Waited WAY to long for food and drink at a crazy busy Dahlonega

like always, I neglected to take pics :angry0:. I had to leave the guys after a late lunch so I'm not sure who made the ride up to Ron's but it was a great day for it. If I didn't have plans tonight I think we would have gotten more done and I would still be a Ron's now. Anyway, we had the following states represented:
Louisiana
Tennessee
South Carolina
Georgia

6 DeLoreans in attendance if you count mine.

Had a great time and met some awesome new people!

[Soundkillr]

I have some pics i took, ill try and post some later...

[Ron]

Hat a great time!...Thank's Sean! - ALL!

The mountain run- Although Steve had the D pole position, Alex beat the pack of 3 in a K-Jet Automatic! :deviltail:

[Mike C.]

Man, sounds like a hell of a tech day!

Ended up spending they day out taking mom to lunch, then the kids to the pumpkin patch, followed by an evening of pumpkin carving for the kids and cooking dinner for mom's 80th. Can't say it wasnt worth it, since it was her bday, but the tech day would have been fun.

[aludden]

Hello! It was great meeting all of you. I hope everyone made it back home OK (I know Steve, you must still be driving back).

I had an uneventful trip back except when I got to Gatlinburg I got stuck in stop-and-go traffic, and between pressing the brakes and the headlights my voltage was dropping quite a bit. So I turned the headlights off and just had the marker lights on. When I went to turn them back on, the switch went crack and got stuck inside - so I drove back the last 1/2 mile with no lights. The good thing is that it didn't happen earlier or I would have been stuck. One more thing to fix... :-)

Thank you very much for all your help, it was great seeing how all the cars are alike but not the same. I look forward to the next meeting! And if you ever feel like coming to Gatlinburg, we can hold one at my house anytime.

Thanks!
Alex

6224

[DL4567]

Pics. (first one is near identical to Alex's)

Big big thanks to Sean for putting this on, and for all his help with our cars. I had a great time!

[stevedmc]

The mountain run- Although Steve had the D pole position, Alex beat the pack of 3 in a K-Jet Automatic! :deviltail:

Yeah. That K-Jet Automatic was pretty sweet for mountain climbing.

[stevedmc]

These are the two pictures I took. Somebody must have a picture of me and Ron playing in the dirt.

Btw, thanks for putting this together Sean, I really enjoyed it. And a really big thanks goes out to Ron. He went out of his way to help me rebuild my axle shafts. He's a great guy, and I got to see his K-Jet expertise in action as well.

[Soundkillr]

here are my pics I took, I am particularly fond of the one with Steve....

[stevedmc]

I am particularly fond of the one with Steve....

Its a shame no one took video of all those K-Jet cars trying to start while a certain person walked around asking if anyone needed help getting started.

I wanted to brag but I kept my mouth shut.

[Soundkillr]

meh, that was one car, that we had to move several times. In fairness to him it had sat for something like 12 years, and he is just bringing it back to life. I might point out it did make a very long trip though, and did make it in one piece.

[sean]

Its a shame no one took video of all those K-Jet cars trying to start while a certain person walked around asking if anyone needed help getting started.

That was me asking if they needed help starting in regards to battery drain, everyone had their doors and bonnets open just about all day, but spin it any way you like :D.

[stevedmc]

meh, that was one car, that we had to move several times. In fairness to him it had sat for something like 12 years, and he is just bringing it back to life. I might point out it did make a very long trip though, and did make it in one piece.

Yeah but it sounded like all of them were taking a little time to start. Mine didn't have that feature. I'll hush before Sean has to start deleting stuff. He's a great guy and after meeting him I want to stay on his good side.

[stevedmc]

That was me asking if they needed help starting in regards to battery drain, everyone had their doors and bonnets open just about all day, but spin it any way you like :D.

You guys don't have LED lights? I leave my cars open all night at car shows and never have battery drain problems thanks to my LEDs.

Fred's car is bone stock K-Jet and he has LEDs too. His car never has battery drain problems.

Ok, I'll hush now. I promise.

[Ron]

here are my pics I took, I am particularly fond of the one with Steve....

Hey, where's a pic of the present the chick left you at the store???:hysterical:

[stevedmc]

Hey, where's a pic of the present the chick left you at the store???:hysterical:

I'd like to see the caption for that one.

[sean]

You guys don't have LED lights?

I don't know if they did or not, was just trying to be courteous and was going to pull out the boost box if anyone needed it.

[Soundkillr]

Hey, where's a pic of the present the chick left you at the store???:hysterical:

yea that was nice wasnt it?:vomit_1::vomit_1:

[sean]

yea that was nice wasnt it?:vomit_1::vomit_1:

I'm glad I was helping Alex and got to miss that mess.

[Ron]

I'm glad I was helping Alex and got to miss that mess.
She was really throwing herself at him...

[stevedmc]

She was really throwing herself at him...

Did she say anything about K-Jet?

[Soundkillr]

Did she say anything about K-Jet?

yea she did, she said she wouldnt have done that if she knew I had it. She mistook your fuel method for mine :)

[stevedmc]

She mistook your fuel method for mine :)

She sounds like my kind of woman. Its a shame we don't have women like that down in Louisiana.

[aludden]

I'll take the blame for the non-starting K-Jet. I still have my hot-start problem after the accumulator and o-rings were changed. Ron showed me that the air intake plate should have pressure behind it when the engine is turned off, but mine loses pressure fairly quickly. So, any other ideas on what else to check? and no, I am not ready to put a carb in :-)

Thanks!
Alex

[nullset]

I'll take the blame for the non-starting K-Jet. I still have my hot-start problem after the accumulator and o-rings were changed. Ron showed me that the air intake plate should have pressure behind it when the engine is turned off, but mine loses pressure fairly quickly. So, any other ideas on what else to check? and no, I am not ready to put a carb in :-)

Thanks!
Alex

That sounds like a fuel leak to me.

Do you smell anything after shutting the engine off? Maybe the return line is leaking?

--buddy

[Ron]

I'll take the blame for the non-starting K-Jet. I still have my hot-start problem after the accumulator and o-rings were changed. Ron showed me that the air intake plate should have pressure behind it when the engine is turned off, but mine loses pressure fairly quickly. So, any other ideas on what else to check? and no, I am not ready to put a carb in :-)

Thanks!
Alex
Did you inspect the new PPR O-ring and pull all of the injectors to see if they leak when you turn the key on and pressure them up?
The cold start valve and check valve are the only other places I can think of right off that would leak internally...otherwise I'd guess a defective accumulator.
I'm betting on the o-ring or then check valve (since it didn't smell flooded).
There's always another mountain ride ;-)

[sean]

Did you inspect the new PPR O-ring

+1. Check to make sure you didn't chew it up when installing the new o ring.

[aludden]

There's always another mountain ride ;-)

If I could fix it by driving in the mountains I'd have a perfect car! :-)

Thanks! Now I have a checklist of things to check.

Alex

[sean]

If I could fix it by driving in the mountains I'd have a perfect car! :-)

Thanks! Now I have a checklist of things to check.

Alex
Got questions, don't forget to ask!

[Soundkillr]

I'll take the blame for the non-starting K-Jet. I still have my hot-start problem after the accumulator and o-rings were changed. Ron showed me that the air intake plate should have pressure behind it when the engine is turned off, but mine loses pressure fairly quickly. So, any other ideas on what else to check? and no, I am not ready to put a carb in :-)

Thanks!
Alex

lol, yea you dont wanna end up all crazy and going carb, then we will have to fit you for a straight jacket. Chances are it is a simple solution....

[stevedmc]

lol, yea you dont wanna end up all crazy and going carb, then we will have to fit you for a straight jacket. Chances are it is a simple solution....

It could be as simple as a poor ground connection to the fuel pump.

Oh, btw, going carb never made me crazy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0UNKTg7e1I

[sean]

Oh, btw, going carb never made me crazy.

he was already there :D

[Ron]

he was already there :D+1
Obviously, that's not him in in the vid, the man without a brain lost his noodles...:tongue2:

[aludden]

Checking all the grounds in the car is already in my todo list....
But I have pressure when the fuel pump is on - it gets lost when the fuel pump is off (and it's not supposed to).
Do you think the noodle bath would help?
Thanks!
Alex

[Farrar]

Do you think the noodle bath would help?

Not unless you're a huge fan of MSG ;)

[aludden]

Not unless you're a huge fan of MSG ;)

I think you got it! I need to Maintain Some Gas in the line!

[Ron]

:biggrin:

[sean]

Checking all the grounds in the car is already in my todo list....
But I have pressure when the fuel pump is on - it gets lost when the fuel pump is off (and it's not supposed to).
Do you think the noodle bath would help?
Thanks!
Alex
Inspect your fuel pump too. If you have an OEM long neck pump with the internal check valve they have a tendency to fail, the check valve part, andwith maintaining rest pressure. I just notcied your vin and thought of it. But still, inspect that ppr o ring again.

[aludden]

It has Hervey's replacement fuel pump. New as of 3 years ago, but never run much.
We did have trouble getting it going again - it was stuck, but Kyle managed to coax it back to life. I'm not sure where the check valve is on it - inside?

[sean]

On the newer pumps, the check valve is the threaded piece that the banjo fitting secures to, and don't really fail like the ones do on the long neck pumps where the valve is on the inside. You can actually remove the CV on new pumps but again I've never seen a new one fail.

[aludden]

Since the pump was stuck, maybe the check valve is stuck as well. I will check the o-rings and the check valve ...
Thanks!
Alex

[sean]

Since the pump was stuck, maybe the check valve is stuck as well. I will check the o-rings and the check valve ...
Thanks!
Alex

I suppose it's possible. Not sure what you can do about it though short of replacing it. IMO, start with the o ring and go from there.

[Ron]

+1

Look for a piece of a previous oring inside the cavity and inside PPR (http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?352-K-Jetronic-System&p=27560&viewfull=1#post27560)itself!

[aludden]

+1

Look for a piece of a previous oring inside the cavity and inside PPR (http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?352-K-Jetronic-System&p=27560&viewfull=1#post27560)itself!

Thank you for that link, Ron, I hadn't seen all the goodies in the Resources section.
Are the o-rings something I can get locally, or do I have to wait for Hervey to send me some?

[sean]

Thank you for that link, Ron, I hadn't seen all the goodies in the Resources section.
Are the o-rings something I can get locally, or do I have to wait for Hervey to send me some?

I suppose it depends on your local resources, I'd just wait for your Hervey order.

[Ron]

I think Viton orings are what everyone has settled on. Some of the autoparts have them. "Regular" automotive orings will not last long at all. Any transmission shop will surely have one. See that the box/pack says viton with your own eyes.

Dave (Bitsyncmaster) had some test data for several types on .com...maybe he can chime in an tell you the exact size (and number)...

EDIT:+1 Sean. If they're on the way...just wait.
...unless you're biting the bit and want to eliminate it as the source of the problem (work on it while off work). But install Hervey's as soon as they arrive.

[aludden]

We put in the ones I got from him two weeks ago. I will place a new order, but I've got a bunch of things back-ordered from him and he is not responding to my emails :-(

[sean]

We put in the ones I got from him two weeks ago. I will place a new order, but I've got a bunch of things back-ordered from him and he is not responding to my emails :-(

He's a one man show so stay on him. If you have a chance try getting him on the phone too. I have a set here but I don't know if it is Viton or not as I think it is from his first round of fixes that he sold.

[aludden]

Thanks Sean, no rush, I will place an order. The last time I called him he got mad at me...
Thank you everyone for all your input!

[Bitsyncmaster]

Yes I ran a swell test on the O-rings in E10 gas. Viton did not swell at all but the Nitrel would swell quite a bit.

I have been using 1.9 x 3.8 size Viton which is a little smaller than the stock 2.0 x 4.0

I like the smaller one because it never sticks inside the PPR and since the viton is a little harder is has less surface to compress.

[aludden]

If I remember correctly, weren't there two of different sizes?
Did you get them from a place like this?
http://www.allorings.com/material_selection.htm
http://www.allorings.com/size_cross_reference_framed.htm

[Bitsyncmaster]

If I remember correctly, weren't there two of different sizes?
Did you get them from a place like this?
http://www.allorings.com/material_selection.htm
http://www.allorings.com/size_cross_reference_framed.htm

I bought them from McMASTER-CARR. The only critical one it the small one on the end of the "piston". The large one, anything that fits will work.

[aludden]

Yes I ran a swell test on the O-rings in E10 gas. Viton did not swell at all but the Nitrel would swell quite a bit.

I have been using 1.9 x 3.8 size Viton which is a little smaller than the stock 2.0 x 4.0

I like the smaller one because it never sticks inside the PPR and since the viton is a little harder is has less surface to compress.

Hmmm... as usual, I just know enough to get myself in trouble.
I don't see anything resembling those sizes in the chart:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=epr9sr

or even the metric cross-reference at:
http://www.allorings.com/size_cross_reference_framed.htm

Also, I hope I don't need 100 to get it right, even though they're only about $5 for 100 (quite a markup when you buy singles!). I guess I can hand them out at the next DMC Halloween party.

Do you remember which part number you got?

Thanks!
Alex

[Ron]

If I remember correctly, weren't there two of different sizes?


Note there are two versions (http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6385&d=1319818743), one with three orings (including large outer one).
Mine (ver 2) had a chunk inside it where the second oring is and required disassembly to even see it...

[aludden]

Note there are two versions (http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6385&d=1319818743), one with three orings (including large outer one).
Mine (ver 2) had a chunk inside it where the second oring is and required disassembly to even see it...
[/URL]

Oh! Hervey's kit only has two o-rings, and that is what we replaced. Maybe the problem is the third one! I guess I'll have to take it apart first and take a look before ordering anything.
[url]https://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/images/hot-start-kit.jpg (http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6385&d=1319818743)

Do you know if the sizes of the matching o-rings are the same between the first and second design? Maybe we put in the wrong size.

[Ron]

No, I've never compared them...I matched mine with leftovers from auto trans rebuilds, the others people had.
I have 2 FDs, one with adjustable injector ports - they use the same orings. IIRC Bitsy and I were comparing and mine were the size he posted above.


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Something that bugs me is that both of my FDs have the same Bosh number...

[Bitsyncmaster]

Hmmm... as usual, I just know enough to get myself in trouble.
I don't see anything resembling those sizes in the chart:
http://www.mcmaster.com/#o-rings/=epr9sr

or even the metric cross-reference at:
http://www.allorings.com/size_cross_reference_framed.htm

Also, I hope I don't need 100 to get it right, even though they're only about $5 for 100 (quite a markup when you buy singles!). I guess I can hand them out at the next DMC Halloween party.

Do you remember which part number you got?

Thanks!
Alex

I'm pretty sure this is the part number. I will look on the bag when I get home.

3.8 25 9263K637 $12.79

[aludden]

I'm pretty sure this is the part number. I will look on the bag when I get home.

3.8 25 9263K637 $12.79

Thank you, Dave, I see I was in the wrong section of the catalog.

[Bitsyncmaster]

The bag did not have their part number but I'm pretty sure that is the correct one. The bag said Viton 75, 1.9 3.8 and quantity 25.

[aludden]

OK, I've been poking around and I got two new issues:
1. My passenger window was not working, so I fixed the switch. The little legs were bent inside. I then rolled the window down and now it won't go back up. I can hear the motor going, but nothing happens. I removed the upped door trim (I learned how at the meet!) and the plastic guides seem to be on the tracks. I did searches on the forum but can't find any pictures of what the whole thing is supposed to look like. The workshop manual shows the guides but not how the glass fits in. Does the motor have some gears that may be broken? How can I get the glass back up and disable it for now?

2. On the way back from the meet, my console and instrument panel lights were going on an off when I hit a bump (mostly they were off). And now they are not on at all. I checked the fuse and it's OK - a little loose but wiggling it does not make the lights work. Maybe a bad ground? Are they all grounded together? I looked under the shifter but there was no ground wire there.

3. How do I remove the plastic shell (the handle) on the auto trans shifter? I see two small holes but poking in there did nothing. It is mostly all apart, but not quite, and I don't want to break it. I need to adjust the shifter as it does not reach to 1st gear.

Thanks!
Alex

[Bitsyncmaster]

Try your window with the door open.

There are a few ground wires for the dash. Is it only the lights or are some of the gauges not working also? Check you wires on the dimmer. They often work loose there.

[aludden]

Try your window with the door open.

There are a few ground wires for the dash. Is it only the lights or are some of the gauges not working also? Check you wires on the dimmer. They often work loose there.

I tried the window with the door open, but that didn't help. I also tried pulling the window up while running the motor - no good.

The only light that comes on when I turn the ignition on is the oil, and the a/c panel lights come on. Gauges work. When I turn the lights on in either position, the a/c panel lights go off, nothing else comes on. The outside lights all work fine with the switch. I took the switch apart and all looks OK inside. The back of the switch had actually come out on my way back from Sean's, and I put it back together, so maybe the switch isn't working properly. Dimmer wires OK, only 3 out of 4 connectors has a wire.

[Dangermouse]

Alex,

at the bottom of the guides, at the actual motor, there is a plastic section that I am told is the typical failure point. I had the same symptoms as you, and true enough, that's what I found.

It does mean taking the rest of the door panels off, however. You will see that the motor/gearbox has probably "unwound" from the end of the guide - you'll see what I mean when you see it. It is possible to get it back in place by pushing on the motor with your hand and operating the switch with the other.

The best fix is a new unit, which has been better designed with metal instead of plastic fittings. You can do a temporary repair with a couple of carefully placed ty-wraps but they will eventually break.

[aludden]

Thanks for the info! I figured I would have to take the lower panel off...
Did you get the A1 window motors? Eventually I will need to replace the door locks also, so the doors will be pricey!
Thanks!
Alex

[sean]

Thanks for the info! I figured I would have to take the lower panel off...
Did you get the A1 window motors? Eventually I will need to replace the door locks also, so the doors will be pricey!
Thanks!
Alex

A1s work great. I've installed a dozen of them easily.

[Dangermouse]

Thanks for the info! I figured I would have to take the lower panel off...
Did you get the A1 window motors? Eventually I will need to replace the door locks also, so the doors will be pricey!
Thanks!
Alex

I did get one A1 (as you can only order them in pairs, I combined an order with a fellow SEDOCer who needed a passenger side one). But just before they arrived I had swapped out the plastic tyraps with SS ones, which are holding up just fine. When they break, I'll take the door panel off, if I haven't been in there before, and change out the motor.

[aludden]

OK, I figured out how to take apart the lower panel and saw the broken plastic guide as you said. The 'rope' was curled all over. I was able to roll the window back up, but I didn't see any way of patching it up since the break is right on the edge. So for now I have it all disconnected till the spring, when I will get new window motors.

I also talked to Hervey and he is sending me a new viton. I asked him about the third o-ring and he said that is not a "user-serviceable" o-ring. You have to replace the whole assembly if that one is bad. I will take it apart and check for loose or stuck bits of o-ring.

I also replaced the rear lights with LEDs, but the ones I got (18s) are not quite as bright as the incandescent. I will see if I can get them changed, otherwise I will try to make some kind of reflectors.

Thank you all for your advice!
Alex

[Ron]

I also talked to Hervey and he is sending me a new viton. I asked him about the third o-ring and he said that is not a "user-serviceable" o-ring. You have to replace the whole assembly if that one is bad. I will take it apart and check for loose or stuck bits of o-ring. I don't understand him saying that- On the one hand he would know, but I would have sworn I changed mine...maybe I robbed the sub assembly out of another one...I'll gotta look now lol

[sean]

I don't understand him saying that- On the one hand he would know, but I would have sworn I changed mine...maybe I robbed the sub assembly out of another one...I'll gotta look now lol

Ive never done more than 2 o rings, ron you're just crazy!

:D

[Dangermouse]

OK, I figured out how to take apart the lower panel and saw the broken plastic guide as you said. The 'rope' was curled all over. I was able to roll the window back up, but I didn't see any way of patching it up since the break is right on the edge. So for now I have it all disconnected till the spring, when I will get new window motors.


Alex

Shame on me for not taking pictures of mine. I didn't try to patch the guide, just held the motor in place to stop it moving. I just need to pay attention to the window position when lowering also.

[aludden]

Shame on me for not taking pictures of mine. I didn't try to patch the guide, just held the motor in place to stop it moving. I just need to pay attention to the window position when lowering also.

The motor was not moving around. The end of the guide was actually sitting at the bottom of the door - I had to bend it to have it line up with the motor. I figured the motor exerts quite a bit of force when it reaches the top, so it would push out whatever fix I do. Maybe if I put a hose clamp to the guide (or two), that would give me a way to grab the guide and attach it to the motor with tie wraps or wire like you say. I may try that...

[Ron]

Ive never done more than 2 o rings, ron you're just crazy!

:DWell, even I have known that for years...but I just checked, 3 orings.

[aludden]

Well, even I have known that for years...but I just checked, 3 orings.

The Delorean gods only want us to see 2 ... Ron is showing us the light! 8)

[sean]

Well, even I have known that for years...but I just checked, 3 orings.

Pffft, you're just a regular old oring martyr.... Anyway, Ive never replaced more than two :D

[Ron]

Pffft, you're just a regular old oring martyr.... Anyway, Ive never replaced more than two :DSlacker!

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Although you can't count wires on a schematic, it bugs me that it shows 5 lines and there is only ~3 at Alex's rheostat.

[sean]

Slacker!

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Although you can't count wires on a schematic, it bugs me that it shows 5 lines and there is only ~3 at Alex's rheostat.
5 lines bundled in 3 connectors, right :confused0:

[Ron]

yeah 3 connectors....1 gets a red-white and the others don't matter....

It sounds like the red-orange is not connected to the panel light relay...and the groundS or bulbs are bad in the instrument panel since other things sharing the feed work.

eg Oil works but 12v shared with batt light which does not.

[aludden]

I still haven't figured out how to remove the handle on the auto shifter (without breaking it)(anybody know how?), so I am only able to see the rheostat on a slant, and reach it with the tip of my fingers, but there are 4 connectors on the rheostat, and I have three connectors. Two of them have two wires each, so that makes five.

According to DMCDW Dave from a post in 2007:
The rheostat only really has two connections (each has two pins). Put the two connectors with the orange-trace wires on one of them, and the wires with
the white trace on the other.

Since I can't see the rheostat, I don't know which connections are jumpered together.
I would assume that they would be adjacent to each other.
What's puzzling is that I have:
two wires - single wire - blank - two wires

Shouldn't it be something like:
two wires - two wires - blank - single wire ?

[Ron]

Have you seen this on the shifter (http://store.delorean.com/c-294-4-6-0-auto-shift-linkage.aspx)?

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The parts manual shows 4 connections on the rheostats had the DMCH site shows the replacement has 3.
If it all used to work, I wouldn't worry about it unless you've changed it. In any event, I would turn the rheostat to bright (same as tying them all together) and come back to that if needed when all the lights are burning...

[Bitsyncmaster]

I still haven't figured out how to remove the handle on the auto shifter (without breaking it)(anybody know how?), so I am only able to see the rheostat on a slant, and reach it with the tip of my fingers, but there are 4 connectors on the rheostat, and I have three connectors. Two of them have two wires each, so that makes five.

According to DMCDW Dave from a post in 2007:
The rheostat only really has two connections (each has two pins). Put the two connectors with the orange-trace wires on one of them, and the wires with
the white trace on the other.

Since I can't see the rheostat, I don't know which connections are jumpered together.
I would assume that they would be adjacent to each other.
What's puzzling is that I have:
two wires - single wire - blank - two wires

Shouldn't it be something like:
two wires - two wires - blank - single wire ?

You do need to get into that area and see what the PO did to the wiring. Yes the red/orange wires are on two connectors each have two wires. The orange/white wire is on the other connector. If the rheostat is working and fully clockwise is should just connect all four wires to to orange/white wire.

[Ron]

Didn't everything work before the meet?

[JIMJAM]

Hi guys!
Just a week or so out of another back surgery and trying to get healthy again. I got some heads up on this meet and really wanted/needed to come but my l5 s1 vertibra had other plans. Just sat down,coffee and logged in after a long time away and trying to catch up.
Reads like deja vu! Hot start issues..... Fuel wierdness, O RINGS:shock: Never heard of em HAHAHAHAH.
Just hang in their guy. After replacing my entire fuel system,electrical system,fuel injectors, and going through 3 fuel distributors my car runs great! I think Sean and Ron might know a little about this subject.
Ok nuff said. Just wanted to poke my head in and say Hi and hopefully I can become more active in the community again.
Jim Franklin in Columbia.:wave2:

[Ron]

Glad you are back and doing better!

There are hints of a Christmas social floating around....

[JIMJAM]

Well my car HATES summer but loves winter. 1st key turn into a smooth idle. And thats with the fuel thingamajig unplugged. Alot more power and no issues at all. Not needing the a/c makes it a whole different car. Hell I might even be able to take on a Honda Accord or Prius now.
Summer was another story as we know. This summer I did not drive much at all but did not have any issues at all.

[aludden]

Hello Jim, looking forward to meeting you. Thanks for the encouragement, I was starting to feel like I'm the one with all the problems. It seems like every time I look at one thing, I find two more issues. :8ball:

The dash illumination lights were working before the meet, but I hadn't paid attention to anything other than "does it run?". Now I am looking at gauges, idiot lights, door lights and finding that they are not working. It's hard to figure out if one issue is causing multiple problems, or they are all independent. (I will look at the ac panel wire this afternoon, Ron).

Get better soon!
Alex

[Farrar]

Welcome back online, Jim! I hope your recuperation is as quick as your wit! :)

Farrar

[JIMJAM]

Hi Farrar. Yeah Ive been medicated for a long time. Somewhere betreen Ozzy and Keith Richards. Starting to come out of it but thats a struggle in itself.

I understand these things. On the old forums I had a couple thousand post and was labeled early on as a Delorean basher. I think I have and will run into every problem this car has to offer. Its been a uneventfull summer but even so at any given time I have at least 6 things that need attention. Currently my pass window is off track or worse. Some new vibrations in the steering column. Clutch is getting a little weak. So basically I cannot complain.
If you need any tips feel free to ask. I threw money at the issues and just replaced everything which is not always the best way to go about it but I had enough of it. Problem is we still do not know what it was but we suspect the crappy o ring design in the f dist. Even after dozens of o rings including the viton it still had h start issues. Even a newly refurbed f dist was intalled and it was defective. Only after a new f dist and not mucking with its oring did the isues stop.
So as you probably already have found out. If it is working, DONT muck with it unless it really looks bad and maybe on its last leg. Only replace ONE thing at a time! That way when the car curses you for messing with it you will know the offending part.
Just because its new dont mean squat. The newer stuff is crap btw! Johns fuel pump however is great. If you suspect something is about to fail or seems wrong. ITS IS!
Ok more ramblings later. Nice to meet you.

[aludden]

When Kyle was here and it wouldn't hot-start, he swapped two plugs (a blue one?) in the engine bay and it started right up. Is there a not-so-elegant solution to just press a button and make that connection when you're stuck and everyone is looking at you? :shock:

Is that what Hervey's Hot start relay $19.95 with Momentary switch supposed to do?
Only issue with that is you have to open the fuse compartment and all, and I'm not sure you can do it by yourself - you have to have someone else push it?

"Now you can leave it plugged in and push the switch when it needs to be used. Internally fuse protected for safety. This little device will force the cold start valve to inject some gas every time you start the car, hot or cold. If you have a chronic problem , then try replacing the fuel accumulator to solve the starting problem."

[Ron]

It's about as easy to pull the breather off and hold the meter plate down a little for second or so IMO.
OR, until you fix the pressure loss, you could temporarily run a wire from the blue-black wire on the cold start valve (through a fuse) then to the light green wire on the full throttle micro switch. This would cause the cold start valve to spray as long as you held the pedal to the floor (similar to hot start way). The drawback is it would be easy to flood it when you used it, until you got used to it, and it would force normal wide open throttle rich when you were driving...might mess with the thermal enrichment a little while its cold but not a biggie...me thinks.

[Bitsyncmaster]

When Kyle was here and it wouldn't hot-start, he swapped two plugs (a blue one?) in the engine bay and it started right up. Is there a not-so-elegant solution to just press a button and make that connection when you're stuck and everyone is looking at you? :shock:

Is that what Hervey's Hot start relay $19.95 with Momentary switch supposed to do?
Only issue with that is you have to open the fuse compartment and all, and I'm not sure you can do it by yourself - you have to have someone else push it?

"Now you can leave it plugged in and push the switch when it needs to be used. Internally fuse protected for safety. This little device will force the cold start valve to inject some gas every time you start the car, hot or cold. If you have a chronic problem , then try replacing the fuel accumulator to solve the starting problem."

How long did it take to start with the plugs swapped? My hot start relay turns the CSV on after one second of cranking. No buttons to push.

[aludden]

How long did it take to start with the plugs swapped? My hot start relay turns the CSV on after one second of cranking. No buttons to push.

With the wires crossed (actually, I think it was just one of them connected but crossed), it started right up.

Until it's fixed, I want to find some easy solution that does not involve opening the hood or relay compartment and messing with things. I just want to use it - go to the store, etc. without having to worry that it won't start. I guess that wire solution you mentioned would work, Ron, so I can try that. Has anyone had experience with Hervey's relay?
Thanks!
Alex

[Ron]

His relay basically does the same thing......

[aludden]

Yeah!!! I got parts!
I finally got a bunch of parts that I had been waiting for (and it's my birthday too!) so Kyle and I will continue working on getting the car to be fully driveable.
First order of business is changing brake pads, as Sean recommended.
Second, a full tune-up including rotor, cap, wires, o-rings and gaskets, and replacing the water pump while we have the manifold off. Any other recommendations while we are there?
I guess I should replace the vacuum hoses. Can I just buy that locally? What sizes do I need? O do I need to get Hervey's kit?
Thanks!
Alex

[aludden]

I just wanted to add to my previous post, that it's not that I don't want to support the Delorean vendors, but I have gotten really tired of waiting for parts from Hervey, and DMC parts are more expensive as well as their shipping/handling costs. I have to weigh my support for vendors vs. getting parts in a timely manner and within some reasonable budget. Sorry for the rant :biggrin:

[JIMJAM]

Thats not a rant. Most of us have been in many a heated conversation with most vendors at one time or another. Well except DMC northeast maybe.
In my case thats also very much true.
My bigegst peeve is when you order something and you do not know or are told its not in stock. So you wait until you are good and steamed,call and find out its not in stock.
I once had a $$$ and big order held up and not shipped because of a 3 buck part was not in stock. And it was just one of those pad the order items I did not really need.
You gotta call John. He is a one man op and at any given time has 100 things going on. Me and him have butted heads many a time but he has some good stuff at good prices. I just ordered via online a angle drive from him and I will see how that goes.
After 3 DMCs angle drives flew apart not long after install I am going to give his a try. Also installed the 1 piece cable. This is THE LAST attempt at fixing it.
But dont sweat it to bad. In the dark ages it was dam near impossible to get anything. One vendor in cali was like the soup nazi. Glad I did not have to deal with him cuz I would have taken the car off a cliff before bowing to that kinda ego. My father bought a brand Delorean new in 81. When it broke down driving home from the dealership. Yeah thats right, on the way from the DEALERSHIP, it went back on a flatbed. Problem was the Delorean dealership mechanics had never worked on one. So we took it home and he worked on it himself.