For Sale 1983 Delorean DMC-12 in Toronto Ontario Canada

[delorean2010]

For Sale 1983 Delorean DMC-12 in Toronto Ontario Canada.

In perfect condition.

Auto trans, 10,000 Miles, fuel injected.

No scratches or dents on stainless steel

Leather seats baely have any cracks

All original

Upgrades:

A/C, tune up kit, new hoses, wires

Eiback shocks to put to original height

Remote keyless entry & auto door release

$43,000 Canadian Dollars.

MUST SEE.

[Chris Burns]

:welcome:

Pics speak a lot of words.

[pezzonovante88]

Damn! I'm in the GTA, but thats close to twice what I want to spend!

[Mike Z]

Pics definitely needed for that asking price.

[Cory W]

Yeah, unless it's gold plated, $43k is just not realistic in our province (as much as we'd all love to see it go for that for the sake of our car's values). Of course, if it's plated, I'll buy it now at that price!

You definitely need a LOT of comprehensive pics, especially focusing on the things that all of us regularly look for. This isn't a place where a casual classifieds DeLo ad will suffice; a lot of us look at these cars often enough to know what to look at.

As for pricing, expect disappointment if this is not a beyond immaculate, shrink-wrapped example of the marque. It may take three days, and you'd need to FAX info plus fill out a simple form at the border, but you could go to DMC Midwest and make a small vacation out of picking up a DMC-backed car (with some warranty!) for less than that. They could even buy the (IMHO overpriced) metric instrument cluster (using their 10% BRP discount with purchase), still come out paying less, and nobody would know the difference.

[Iznodmad]

Is it all original or does it have upgrades? It can't be both, they are only original once! Gotta get the story straight man, we are experts here. Good luck, but be realistic!

[delorean2010]

Original in that this car has not the modern modifications of all sorts that many owners have done to their car. Although pics help I am looking for serious buyers in the area that will take the time to contact, make appointment & see in person. The posting makes clear the condition. Regarless of any pics or claims a serious buyer ready, willing & able would come see for themselves. Professionally appraised by Maurice Bramhall of Bramhall Classic Cars & Appraisers.

[Jonathan]

Original in that this car has not the modern modifications of all sorts that many owners have done to their car. Although pics help I am looking for serious buyers in the area that will take the time to contact, make appointment & see in person. The posting makes clear the condition. Regarless of any pics or claims a serious buyer ready, willing & able would come see for themselves. Professionally appraised by Maurice Bramhall of Bramhall Classic Cars & Appraisers.

If this isn't the most bullshit scam posting ad out there I don't know what is. Seriously dude, you're asking $43k for a car and you think that by not posting pictures you're going to somehow attract serious buyers? You need to give your head a serious shake. Clearly you have something to hide or you're keen on fucking someone over, which one is it?

[08087]

Original in that this car has not the modern modifications of all sorts that many owners have done to their car. Although pics help I am looking for serious buyers in the area that will take the time to contact, make appointment & see in person. The posting makes clear the condition. Regarless of any pics or claims a serious buyer ready, willing & able would come see for themselves. Professionally appraised by Maurice Bramhall of Bramhall Classic Cars & Appraisers.

Ur not asking 1K for an old Ford Escort, ur asking $40 plus K in US real hard cash. Times are hard, DMC can even sell their used ones for that price and they can at least back up what they say. I'd fly up and take a look if you had some good shots of her and we were close on price. U'd also have to come up with a bunch of paper to show how the car was cared for over the years, number of owners etc.

Good luck, u come accross as a bit of a jerk so I doubt you'll get much of a look for this group.

Would you chat with a girl online and fly out to meet her just cause she said she was hot? Nah, I bet you'd want a pick or two!

[08087]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DeLorean-Delorean-Automatic-14000-original-miles-Beautiful-Runs-Nice-Original-/150707915020?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2316e4490c


If your car doesn't look a hell of a lot better then this one ud better rethink your offer of sale.

[delorean2010]

Why better??? Sure my car is in as good if not better shape . That car on ebay looks in perfect shape. Not sure about it's functioning condition.... pics cannot tell you that. Also the appraised value of this car is in Canadian dollars. NOT U.S. Dollar. Also stated in post kept papers of all work & only 1 previous onwer. I had for 2 years. previous owner is real estate Developer in Thornhill. Car collector & kept in tempature controled garage.

[Cory W]

When you still have it next year, are you going to bring it out to the Ontario Club events with a "For Sale" sign on it in an effort to drum up interest? It would give your car added visibility, allow people to compare it to some of our cars, and would do a hell of a lot more for your cause than whats happened here so far.

[micmak]

Original in that this car has not the modern modifications of all sorts that many owners have done to their car. Although pics help I am looking for serious buyers in the area that will take the time to contact, make appointment & see in person. The posting makes clear the condition. Regarless of any pics or claims a serious buyer ready, willing & able would come see for themselves. Professionally appraised by Maurice Bramhall of Bramhall Classic Cars & Appraisers.

OK, I’ll enter your dream world for a moment; What is the VIN of this car? I am interested. Does it still have NCTs? If I said I was “a serious buyer ready, willing & able” would you send me pics of the car? OK, I am leaving your dream world now.

......Mike......

[08087]

Why better??? Sure my car is in as good if not better shape . That car on ebay looks in perfect shape. Not sure about it's functioning condition.... pics cannot tell you that. Also the appraised value of this car is in Canadian dollars. NOT U.S. Dollar. Also stated in post kept papers of all work & only 1 previous onwer. I had for 2 years. previous owner is real estate Developer in Thornhill. Car collector & kept in tempature controled garage.

Why better? Cause the seller of the one I added the link to is asking 34K US if I recall correctly. You want an addtional 8K, no?

Here is the conversion or exchange rate for Can. - US $. 43,000Can = 42,087.9 USD

Sorry but dream on unless you can show some picks and not just a handful but 10-20 including the frame.

[Mike C.]

Ok everyone. If this is how he wants to sell his car, it's his right. If you are interested in contacting the seller, please do so for more information.

[delorean2010]

NEWS FLASH: the pics look essentially like the one pointed out on ebay .... as well as a guzzilion others out there that are in pristine shape. Nothing new nor unique will be revealed & you sure as hell cannot get a detailed assessment through pics. As for the frame the coating is still intact, no indication of cracking or peeling. The original owner had in temprature controlled garage, never drove in bad weather. The vin # in no way will indicate the condition of a 1983 Delorean etc. Those that come see the car can see the vin if interested in the production stage through the 1983 year.

[Jonathan]

Which month in 1983 was the car built?

[pezzonovante88]

Which month in 1983 was the car built?

Ahem.

[delorean2010]

What month??? Why? You only consider buying Deloreans made in certain months. The appraisor never asked this. Does it REALLY have material influence on the market value of the car??? Sounds like you got WAY too much time on your hands!!!:huh:

[Mark D]

The production build date (month and year) is listed on the VIN tag inside the driver's door sill. Since you were not originally willing to share the car's VIN, identifying the build month is another way to verify that this is a legit sale. No DeLoreans were actually built in 83, rather the 83 model year cars have mostly late 82 build dates.

From what I can tell people are questioning if your ad is legit due to the way you've presented your information, as well as the higher asking price. If this is indeed a legit sale you have to expect to be able to answer a few basic questions, especially if you're also not willing to provide pictures. Otherwise what is the point of posting the ad here? Let the internet work for you by displaying the condition of your car. It's a huge advantage for you to let people see what they would be buying.

Nobody is going to believe "perfect condition" as a description when you go on to say that the seats only have a few cracks. That's not perfect, that's imperfection. What other parts on the car are also imperfect like the seats? This is why people want pics, so they can see for themselves.

I'm sure you have no negative intentions with your ad, but you are sending up lots of red flags by the way you are presenting your information and by not providing basic details you'd find in most other car ads. Help us all out and tell us some more info about the car. How about the interior color? That's a pretty major piece of missing information considering the car had only had two factory options: choice of interior color and choice of transmission type.

[delorean2010]

It is grey interior. The car had 1 owner here in Toronto ( Thornhill) I have original Dealers sticker from here in Thornhill. I live in a city of 4 million & it is not hard to sell to someone locally who can come see the car. REALLY ..... photos would not even show imperfections in the seats of which for any seats that are 27 years old .... there is. That is how usefull photos are to someone ready to buy. This is only 1 avenue to sell this car to the general public & aimed at those locally here for which not to inconvienent to come see the car. The price may be considered too high to those fanatics & " experts " of the Delorean but as with many car sales it is a point of negotiation. I am also signaling to avaiod those who come along thinking they can get a steal or such a sale is a desparation sale. Past experience indicates too many people out there with that mentality coming along offering half price on assests..... even homes. Especially Americans, due to their economy, every sale is seen as a bankruptcy sale. Sorry here is Canada our economy has not crapped into the toilette & the sale of most assets are for other personal reasons.

[lazabby]

VIN number is helpful. Often there is information out there on Deloreans if the VIN is known. For example, a Delorean may have been in an accident years ago that had major damage. The damage might have been fixed but a potential buyer may want to know that it had been in an accident. I'm not saying your car was but knowing the VIN allows people to research the history of the car, if history is out there. I agree with one of the other posters that there seems to be too many red flags here. Your sale may be perfectly legit but by not posting pictures and not giving the VIN, this is raising questions in the minds of people.

[Jonathan]

Whether your car does exist and is "perfect", or the whole thing is a scam, no one on here believes anything you've said. It's not hard to prove your good intentions, just provide the things we've asked and you'll have all the better luck selling your car.

[pezzonovante88]

I'm from Toronto and there is no reason why I would pay that asking price when I could pay $10000 less in the US and import it here for $1000. Also, this is an automatic trans. car, which probably won't help the case (nothing against autos, btw). The way that this forum thread has been going, things aren't looking so good. Not willing to positively respond to basic buyer/seller questions (Vin, pics, etc.) and getting snappy and defensive with people is not a great way to spread the word with those in the DeLorean community who could even help you to sell the car faster. Good luck selling the car, but often those who are in the market for such a specialty vehicle are "in the know" and are aware of what current market values are. Average/good Canadian Ds so often seem to be priced at the price of Excellent/Fully-Restored American Ds. The US's economy has affected the market value of the DeLorean, so they are NOT worth THAT much. The vast majority of DeLoreans are in the US and for a "perfect" non-restored all original DeLorean the value is in the mid $30k range tops. A very good, upgraded, turnkey DeLorean in good cosmetic condition is worth about $25K-$27K tops.
I'm just giving my two cents, whether its worth anything to you, or not. So, again, I do wish you luck and I hope it goes to someone local so I can see it driving around town!

[stevedmc]

I'm interested. $43k sounds like a good deal considering Houston wants $60k for a new one.

[delorean2010]

Exactly..... excellent condition.... mid 30's & i have as a starting asking price 8k more: 43-35=8k. So what is all the fuss. As I said before interested in selling in the local market here in G.T.A. were it is no trouble for person to come see car. Original dealer sticker, papers etc all available to see.

[pezzonovante88]

Well, you might come across a collector who wants an all original car that is willing to pay it. Good luck.

[stevedmc]

Exactly..... excellent condition.... mid 30's & i have as a starting asking price 8k more: 43-35=8k. So what is all the fuss. As I said before interested in selling in the local market here in G.T.A. were it is no trouble for person to come see car. Original dealer sticker, papers etc all available to see.

Does it include a flux capacitor?

[jawn101]

Does it include a flux capacitor?

If it had a working one, you could go back in time and earn back the extra 10k you spent on this car by betting on sporting events.... worked out well enough for Biff, right? :)

[kajcienski]

Okay, I never chime in on these threads but seems like everything the community has requested is basic 101 car sales. I am chiming in because of my very positive experience buying my D as well as perhaps giving this D a chance. Every car, whether 1.5k or 150k, should (and do) have this basic info beyond "perfect condition" (clearing throat). My question is... Why would you say/imply you are going for the local market as if that is the best option? Why even post here? I looked for many months for my D and would have flown most anywhere within reason if things checked out. I ended up buying from DMCMW - deal basically closed after flying out. This was because of the positive experience (the amazing Dave and Julee!), full disclosure on the vehicle, research, etc... Most relevent, this was all spawned over a well versed description and picture detail. This thread just leaves a bad taste in my mouth, and potential buyers might feel the same. The community can be harsh, but only because it cares. Perhaps a re-post with pictures and ample info would help both sides if this. Easy breezy? Help this little D out?

[sdg3205]

I'll be in toronto for the holidays beginning on the 18th.

Though I wouldn't be buying it, I'd be happy to drop by and look at it and let the community know if it's as good as you say!

[congerz83]

When you still have it next year, are you going to bring it out to the Ontario Club events with a "For Sale" sign on it in an effort to drum up interest?

Yeah, but he'll leave it under the car cover until he sees cash.



Especially Americans, due to their economy, every sale is seen as a bankruptcy sale. Sorry here is Canada our economy has not crapped into the toilette & the sale of most assets are for other personal reasons.

Your getting personal and offensive. I'll also inform you that political comments are prohibited here. It keeps people like me from getting pissed-off by mousey little comments like yours.

[ryanjm]

Gee, with the seller being so weirdly abrasive here but the thread being so active, I thought maybe I'd pop in and remind everyone that I too have a mint-condition (because we all know that no DeLorean is ever perfect :tongue_stick: ) DeLorean for sale right over in this thread (http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?2354-1982-DeLorean-10014-(located-in-San-Francisco-CA)). I've got a long list of upgrades and service history posted along with one pic and a link to many others. Sure, California is a lot farther away for potential Midwest buyers, but just maybe you'd feel like my car was worth the trip. :)

[congerz83]

Gee, with the seller being so weirdly abrasive here but the thread being so active, I thought maybe I'd pop in and remind everyone that I too have a mint-condition (because we all know that no DeLorean is ever perfect :tongue_stick: ) DeLorean for sale right over in this thread (http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?2354-1982-DeLorean-10014-(located-in-San-Francisco-CA)). I've got a long list of upgrades and service history posted along with one pic and a link to many others. Sure, California is a lot farther away for potential Midwest buyers, but just maybe you'd feel like my car was worth the trip. :)

Wow... very shrewd... :hysterical:

[mattyparas]

http://toronto.en.craigslist.ca/yrk/cto/2744146360.html

Take a look. I own an 83 but I am not as sharp as most of you on here with spotting the differences. Maybe these pics can validate if this is legitimate or not

I will take a look for more pics. On the surface though this looks phony, no offense to the OP.

Update:
http://www.buysell.com/Toronto-ON/1983-DeLorean-DMC-12-stainless/19-4795073/d/Toronto-ON-50-Toronto-ON-a-pt-sf-adr-prx-lloc--z2baz1a1a1q1az1qz2ba2y2ba6y-6A717201/?kwd=delorean&gcid=2046&sct=Ad_1

Another page with the car for sale - same pics though. Search of the email address leads to links for a nightclub and modeling agency ? This is getting stranger by the moment...

[mattyparas]

Just one quick follow up - I realize the Vin Registry is not complete but there are 4 entries in the registry that could fit the bill for this car #15134, 17126, 17128, 17162. The last three were last noted in Quebec, w/ 15134 in Ontario....if I were bettingthis is either fake or Vin #15134 ....wonder if I am right ?

[Iznodmad]

[QUOTE=mattyparas;33959
Take a look. I own an 83 but I am not as sharp as most of you on here with spotting the differences. Maybe these pics can validate if this is legitimate or not

I will take a look for more pics. On the surface though this looks phony, no offense to the OP.

[/QUOTE]

The first pic is of a forum members car taken before he purchased it. That pic has been on the internet for a very long time, and is used in a lot of scams. The second one clearly has a lined hood on it, so rules out an original 83 flat hood that should be on the car. Good work.

[larsfroysa]

That first picture has been around for ages. Found it easy on a random google image search.
In better resolution:
http://220.245.130.52/images/delorean_01.jpg

[mattyparas]

the second link i posed had an email address for [email protected] and he appears to be a club owner if you Google the email addy. if this was a scam (which looks like it is ) why include contact info that can be traced....

[dmc6960]

The second picture looks like it was taken at a DMC facility, look at the rack of transmissions behind it. Also not this car.

[mattyparas]

http://www.bramclassauto.com/showvehicle.php?action=show&id=992

These are the guys he said appraised it. They coincidentally have an 81' for sale for $44k CDN. Probably got his figure from there.

[Jonathan]

Nice work "D-tectives"!!

And I don't mean to gloat...well, ya, a little bit I do :). All you need to know about this thread can be found in post #8.

And thanks Sean, Mike and Steve, that IP address you pulled from the original posters username sign up helped the local police determine the scammers location. Great job!

[17076]

That 1981 at Bramhall is currently not on the Ontario Delorean Owners Club list of known cars in the Province, not sure if it is an old listing or not. I have called to check out the VIN


Mattyparas ... are you an Ontario owner?

[mattyparas]

No, a Staten Island NY owner. :)

There are actually two Deloreans for sale around the block from me. I drove past one night and saw the back of one. Since my eyesight is terrible I thought I saw another facing forward right in front of the other one but dismissed it as "how can there be two in one driveway?". I went back in the day time and there was indeed two! If anyone is interested I can take a look. The better of the two cars you can find it on ebay, listed in Brooklyn, NY for $27,000.

[T_Stanley]

Did this guy get busted?? I tried sending a smartass email but it was rejected...after I worked so hard reaming him out!

[Michael]

Might be a good idea for everyone to flag his CL ads.

[delorean2010]

Settled into my new place in Richmond Hill. Will not be making any further posts. Those interested & AT THIS TIME ready to buy can inbox me & arrange meeeting. No other comments , etc. will be entertained.

[sdg3205]

Settled into my new place in Richmond Hill. Will not be making any further posts. Those interested & AT THIS TIME ready to buy can inbox me & arrange meeeting. No other comments , etc. will be entertained.

I live in Richmond Hill and would love to stop by if you were interested in a coffee and talking cars. I'd bring the Tim's.

Just putt'n it out there.

[mattyparas]

Settled into my new place in Richmond Hill. Will not be making any further posts. Those interested & AT THIS TIME ready to buy can inbox me & arrange meeeting. No other comments , etc. will be entertained.

This guy really is a piece of work. :angry0:

[Mike C.]

Settled into my new place in Richmond Hill. Will not be making any further posts. Those interested & AT THIS TIME ready to buy can inbox me & arrange meeeting. No other comments , etc. will be entertained.

Then no point to your thread. Clank.