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DeloreanJoshQ
06-13-2012, 08:31 PM
DCS 2012 Orlando, FL Photos Thread: Please Share Your Photos!
I'll share mine ASAP.
Dangermouse
06-13-2012, 10:22 PM
But please just don't link to Facebook as many here aren't on it. ;)
DeloreanJoshQ
06-13-2012, 10:22 PM
But please just don't link to Facebook as many here aren't on it. ;)
You are missing out! Just get on it!
Dangermouse
06-14-2012, 07:46 AM
You are missing out! Just get on it!
Shan't
jmettee
06-17-2012, 09:27 AM
C'mon people, where are the pics? No one have smart phones or internet in Orlando? WTF? 8) :angry_whip:
DMage
06-17-2012, 09:32 AM
DeLorean Club of Florida's Facebook page have a ton up - thanks Ed!
Bitsyncmaster
06-17-2012, 10:32 AM
I only took a few. Was a great show as always.
I have a suggestion for the next shows. Announce the start of talks (tech talks, etc.) 5 min before it starts. I missed every talk I wanted to attend. I should have had my phone remind me.
Dangermouse
06-17-2012, 10:43 AM
The only one I took with my phone. The D Rex greeting all the Disney tourists outside the hotel.
The rest are on my camera that I'll upload tomorrow.
http://img.tapatalk.com/4086bba2-ecf7-fb65.jpg
But please just don't link to Facebook as many here aren't on it. ;)
+1!
IMO, FaceBook = Data miners and privacy pigs galore!!! Sure you can adjust the settings but they update the way they do things a million times a year and each time they want you to jump through a bunch of agreement hoop pages that have all of the choices reset to defaulted to allow everything...and sometimes you have to drill down 4-5 pages deep because they each have "See Details Here" (or similar) buried in the middle of them, with more choices...
Scuttlebutt is, they are now considering sending advertisements to a user's registered email based on their posted conversations.
Screw em'! :popcorn:
DeloreanJoshQ
06-17-2012, 12:26 PM
C'mon people, where are the pics? No one have smart phones or internet in Orlando? WTF? 8) :angry_whip:
Hang in there Justin....
I'll put a bunch up when we get back later today.
Dangermouse
06-17-2012, 01:18 PM
Here's a few:
Holler's BTTF car
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11027&d=1339952980
D Rex
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11028&d=1339952984
Raffle Car
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11029&d=1339952990
Cliff S's chromed frame
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11030&d=1339952996
Steve's pristine car in the show
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11031&d=1339953001
Bill R came prepared
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11032&d=1339953006
topmmyrich's light sabre entry preventer
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11033&d=1339953011
several cars had the lighted door sill
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11034&d=1339953015
Dangermouse
06-17-2012, 01:38 PM
a couple more
Beautiful semi-polished car
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11037&d=1339953854
Winner of best painted car. Co Incidentally, the only painted car, but who's counting
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11036&d=1339953827
Morpheus's galv repaired frame
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11035&d=1339953781
DeLorean Limo (d'oh)
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11038&d=1339953898
Screen Used BTTF III car
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11039&d=1339953945
Stage III
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11040&d=1339953991
Raffle Car - drove all the way from Indy and then left the lights on. Pushed to its final display place - James J., you owe us all a beer
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11041&d=1339954039
The Limo is open, with Steve in his pimp suit in the background
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11042&d=1339954079
obligatorty Thru-The_doors pic
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11043&d=1339954112
Somewhat of a birds eye view of the show
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11044&d=1339954142
TTait
06-17-2012, 03:41 PM
Any new products, or show specials?
T
Dangermouse
06-17-2012, 05:01 PM
Steve Wynne talked about the binnacles and their evolution. He is waiting for the first production units to be shipped.
On the horizon are new LED taillight boards, schedule and cost TBD.
Also mentioned that DMCH have obtained the equipment for Pearse's SS frames and they hope to start manufacture before the end of the year.
Delorean Bicycle was there if you consider it a new product;)
New fuel pump was there too.
Dangermouse
06-17-2012, 05:07 PM
Late entry in the "most packed DeLorean" - Tyler B in Bills car en route to the airport. :)
http://img.tapatalk.com/624f5e19-4693-67dd.jpg
Tyler's large suitcase behind the seat plus two carry ons on his lap. Bills usual packed trunk as well as 3 assorted manifolds scattered throughout the car.
I have to admit that I was a doubter before they started but I am very impressed.
Delorean02378
06-17-2012, 08:44 PM
Added mine to an album.
http://dmctalk.org/album.php?albumid=135
Hope the link works.
Kirk
Steve's pristine car in the show
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=11031&d=1339953001
Too many hot peppers...
thirdmanj
06-17-2012, 09:15 PM
Too many hot peppers...
:hysterical:
Maybe Steve was trying to show that DeLoreans look good, even when they're dirty as fuck.
What is it with him and that "pimp suit" anyway?
DMC3165
06-17-2012, 09:49 PM
Just curious, anyone know how many cars made it to the show? I wish I could've made it, maybe next time around.
stevedmc
06-17-2012, 10:45 PM
:hysterical:
Maybe Steve was trying to show that DeLoreans look good, even when they're dirty as fuck.
What is it with him and that "pimp suit" anyway?
Even with my dirty car I managed to walk away with two awards. I believe that was more than anyone else.
Chris Burns
06-17-2012, 10:53 PM
Around 40 to 50 Deloreans showed up. Most were inside and about 10-12 were outside.
Dangermouse
06-17-2012, 11:42 PM
Yes, we counted 41 inside on Saturday and 11 outside on Friday. There may have been more outside on Saturday but I didn't get a count.
Inside cars included:
1 painted car
1 4x4
1 limo
3 BTTF cars
3 engine conversions
2 carbs
1 electric
1 4-cylinder
Chris Burns
06-17-2012, 11:48 PM
I have over 300 pics, but here is one of me in the Red Delorean. Also got to drive VIN 16128, the Stage 3 Delorean, and rode in Oliver and Terry Holler's BTTF Delorean. I had a GREAT time and met some awesome people!!
sdg3205
06-18-2012, 02:50 AM
Who won the raffle car?
Dangermouse
06-18-2012, 08:16 AM
Which were for...?
If memory serves me right they were:
2nd place in "Carb Modified"
1st place in "Least clean", though I may be wrong on that.
Rich W had at least two for "Modified Unpainted" - 1st and 2nd
Who won the raffle car?
James J - see the main DCS thread for more info
vin6635
06-18-2012, 08:41 AM
What was the final car count?
Did many cars compete in the concours (or whatever it's called now)?
thirdmanj
06-18-2012, 08:42 AM
Even with my dirty car I managed to walk away with two awards. I believe that was more than anyone else.
What were they for? One "award" was a gimme right? What was the other ?
And what's with the suit?
stevedmc
06-18-2012, 08:53 AM
I won first place for dirty car and first place for redneck cruise control. http://img.tapatalk.com/208fbf58-24b4-5633.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/208fbf58-24c2-db40.jpg
thirdmanj
06-18-2012, 09:13 AM
I won first place for dirty car and first place for redneck cruise control. http://img.tapatalk.com/208fbf58-24b4-5633.jpghttp://img.tapatalk.com/208fbf58-24c2-db40.jpg
That's awesome...
jafo2k
06-18-2012, 11:31 AM
I won first place for dirty car and first place for redneck cruise control.
Got to ask.. WTF is Redneck cruise control?
TemporalFX
06-18-2012, 11:48 AM
Hey Dangermouse, we posted some of your awesome pictures on our OFFICIAL BACK TO THE FUTURE TIME MACHINE RESTORATION page!
Great photos!
www.facebook.com/timemachinerestoration
stevedmc
06-18-2012, 11:56 AM
Got to ask.. WTF is Redneck cruise control?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/TeraFlex-Hand-Throttle-Jeep-TJ-LJ-XJ-YJ-CJ-4870402-/360458983638?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item53ed0798d6&vxp=mtr
Dangermouse
06-18-2012, 02:04 PM
Hey Dangermouse, we posted some of your awesome pictures on our OFFICIAL BACK TO THE FUTURE TIME MACHINE RESTORATION page!
Great photos!
www.facebook.com/timemachinerestoration
Ha, I just realized that all the cars in this pic are grey interiors, purely by chance
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/598433_348151371924189_280759250_n.jpg
Dangermouse
06-18-2012, 02:06 PM
I won first place for dirty car and first place for redneck cruise control.
Oops, sorry, got the awards wrong. (Imagine getting an award for a carb :ehh:)
What Steve is being modest about is that he got the cruise control one, entirely on the recommendation of Kevin Pike, special FX guy for the BTTF movies.
stevedmc
06-18-2012, 02:26 PM
Oops, sorry, got the awards wrong. (Imagine getting an award for a carb :ehh:)
What Steve is being modest about is that he got the cruise control one, entirely on the recommendation of Kevin Pike, special FX guy for the BTTF movies.
I'll admit too, I was a little shocked when he handed me the mic. Could anyone actually hear what I said?
Lenny
06-18-2012, 04:03 PM
I'll admit too, I was a little shocked when he handed me the mic. Could anyone actually hear what I said?
I heard exactly what you said. "I think everyone should use this for their cruise control. I will personably be liable for any accidents or problems that occur from the installation of this device"
Lenny
06-18-2012, 04:06 PM
Ha, I just realized that all the cars in this pic are grey interiors, purely by chance
http://sphotos.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/c0.0.843.403/p843x403/598433_348151371924189_280759250_n.jpg
And the very best car at the show was first in line, I wonder who's it was? Oh Mine ;)
Dangermouse
06-18-2012, 04:30 PM
I heard exactly what you said. "I think everyone should use this for their cruise control. I will personably be liable for any accidents or problems that occur from the installation of this device"
:bigclap:
dvonk
06-18-2012, 11:06 PM
made it back to omaha a couple hours ago, so...
here is a crappy cell phone video--a panorama of the car show. its short, but it should give a decent idea of what the show was like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnl6pYY6c1w
ryanjm
06-19-2012, 02:13 AM
Wow, really surprised at there being less than half the number of cars as usual. Were there fewer people as well? In other words, was it just the geography of being way down at the southern end of Florida that kept people from bringing their cars, or did proportionally fewer people show up too?
Regardless, I'm sad I missed this one. Hope you all had a great time!
Bitsyncmaster
06-19-2012, 05:33 AM
Wow, really surprised at there being less than half the number of cars as usual. Were there fewer people as well? In other words, was it just the geography of being way down at the southern end of Florida that kept people from bringing their cars, or did proportionally fewer people show up too?
Regardless, I'm sad I missed this one. Hope you all had a great time!
I think the distance for most was the reason for less cars. It adds to cost requiring one or two days lodging during the trip. Economy also has not recovered so many are still strapped for money. I still miss the working on cars like we had at Gettysburg but the hotel was not setup for that.
EdFerri
06-19-2012, 08:30 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZt9YhUxh1Y&sns=em
Andrew Probert speaking at DCS 2012.
EdFerri
06-19-2012, 08:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxvnbV9Rrb8&sns=em
Kathryn DeLorean speaking at DCS 2012.
Chris Burns
06-19-2012, 09:57 AM
Nicholas's LS1 Delorean.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjQSxt96IUw
Chris Burns
06-19-2012, 09:58 AM
Christine leaving the building.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-k360_wfeQ
DMCMW Dave
06-19-2012, 12:56 PM
I think the distance for most was the reason for less cars. It adds to cost requiring one or two days lodging during the trip. .
I believe Ken expected a low car turnout due to the average distance driven, AND the fact that, being at Disney, many would bring families requiring them to drive a larger car. I don't know what the people-count was, but I'll bet it wasn't as low as the car count compared to the norm.
Evildeli
06-19-2012, 03:45 PM
By the end of Friday night, Ken told me there were over 300 people registered. Not sure how many people came just for the show part on Saturday, but it was kinda packed.
Nicholas R
06-19-2012, 06:39 PM
There were definitely more people than anticipated. Hence the reason for adding more tables on friday night, then a lot more tables on saturday night.
Iznodmad
06-19-2012, 10:19 PM
Even with my dirty car I managed to walk away with two awards. I believe that was more than anyone else.
Actually I got two awards as well. 1st place 20,000-40,000 miles and a "Kevin Pike" combined award for exhaust and custom stereo. Kevin just walked up to me and asked what was special about my car and I thought for a second and mentioned two of my favorite things about my car.
On a side note, I thought today about calling the original owner of my car (whom I bought the car from) and telling her how it did at the DeLorean Car Show. Since I am on vacation right now, and I didn't have access to her number, I just tried looking the number up on Google. The first thing that popped up was her obituary, she passed last year. I think she knows, regardless.
Chris Burns
06-19-2012, 10:50 PM
Actually I got two awards as well. 1st place 20,000-40,000 miles and a "Kevin Pike" combined award for exhaust and custom stereo. Kevin just walked up to me and asked what was special about my car and I thought for a second and mentioned two of my favorite things about my car.
On a side note, I thought today about calling the original owner of my car (whom I bought the car from) and telling her how it did at the DeLorean Car Show. Since I am on vacation right now, and I didn't have access to her number, I just tried looking the number up on Google. The first thing that popped up was her obituary, she passed last year. I think she knows, regardless.
Darren, she would be proud of you and how beautiful the car has turned out. The fact that you actually drive it is even better!:thumbup2:
stevedmc
06-20-2012, 12:11 AM
Actually I got two awards as well. 1st place 20,000-40,000 miles and a "Kevin Pike" combined award for exhaust and custom stereo. Kevin just walked up to me and asked what was special about my car and I thought for a second and mentioned two of my favorite things about my car.
Oops.
Rich W
06-20-2012, 10:38 AM
Back to the photos...
For those that did not arrive on Wednesday or by early Thursday, here is the photo opportunity that you missed
prior to moving the DeLorean Limo into the Convention Center, early on Thursday morning.
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More photos of D Rex and DeLorean Limo (at DCS12) will be posted under their threads in Rich W Projects section.
Later,
Rich W.
Tamir A.
06-20-2012, 02:29 PM
Rich,
My hats off to you for bringing those two "beasts" to the show. I love the subtle additions you've made to the D Rex and the limo is simply amazing! That must have been a sight to see up close, I look forward to checking it out sometime.
T.
Back to the photos...
For those that did not arrive on Wednesday or by early Thursday, here is the photo opportunity that you missed
prior to moving the DeLorean Limo into the Convention Center, early on Thursday morning.
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More photos of D Rex and DeLorean Limo (at DCS12) will be posted under their threads in Rich W Projects section.
Later,
Rich W.
Jeremy Popp
06-20-2012, 02:34 PM
Back to the photos...
For those that did not arrive on Wednesday or by early Thursday, here is the photo opportunity that you missed
prior to moving the DeLorean Limo into the Convention Center, early on Thursday morning.
11312
More photos of D Rex and DeLorean Limo (at DCS12) will be posted under their threads in Rich W Projects section.
Later,
Rich W.
Rich,
We were out wednesday night, and arrived at the hotel in a shuttle with other passengers. You wouldn't believe (or maybe you would) the kind of excitment inside the vehicle as everyone was immediately talking about the D-Rex and Limo. It certainly made their night- there was such an exchange of chatter than I couldn't even squeeze in the words Delorean Car show. It was entertaining, and my wife and I really appreciate the effort you made to bring the cars down. They were fantasic, and we're glad you won some awards - even if the competition only came from yourself.
Rich W
06-20-2012, 02:48 PM
Thanks guys. The logistics of taking these two vehicles to Florida and back is almost a project in and of itself.
Glad to hear so many folks enjoyed seeing the D Limo for the first time and the D Rex, on its 10th Anniversary.
Tamir ... you were missed by many at this event. I hope to see you sometime over this Summer in Chicago.
Its nearly a two hour drive, each way, from Chicago, to go see the D Limo, but see if you can make the time.
Attaching another view of the two vehicles outside the Hilton on Wednesday.
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Later,
Rich W.
Chris Burns
06-20-2012, 03:08 PM
The D-Rex and the Limo was a treat to see outside of the hotel. As I took pics of D-Rex people were asking me questions about it. lol
Chris Burns
06-20-2012, 09:18 PM
Nice video my buddy shot of DCS 2012:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oX97gRDg2ac
DL4567
06-21-2012, 01:58 AM
Don't forget about Kevin Abato's photos:
http://photos.grenexmedia.com/Events/Delorean-Car-Show-2012
Fox2506
06-21-2012, 11:17 AM
I have video of the prototype running in the showroom (also at 1 AM after the hand-off to Cliff). I'd upload right away but I'm not sure if Tony or Cliff would care.
john 05141
06-22-2012, 04:31 AM
I travelled almost 16.000 Km to join the show and took over 700 pictures.
Here are just a few.
2 questions however,
Is the D-Rex road legal?
No bricklins this time, anyone know why?
John
A lot of great photos. I guess i'm in the minority on the delorean limo. It looks like a humancentipede-esque eyesore. No disrespect intended and I know, i know. If you can't say anything nice...
dmcjohn
06-22-2012, 11:05 AM
I couldn't make the show this year unfortunately so I'm only basing my comments on pictures I have seen.
Similar to William's custom car, I can appreciate the amount of effort put into the limo so far, but to me it really give the appearance of 3 cars stuck together - the lines don't appear to flow well together.
It looks like it would benefit a lot from some modifications to the gullwing doors - e.g. the part where the leading edge curls inwards around the A pillar towards the windshield. If the curve inwards was removed, the door could sit flush with the sides of the car and would visually help a lot...
Rich W
06-22-2012, 01:30 PM
John 05141,
Yes (technically) the D Rex is road legal, according to the rules in Illinois. The tires are DOT Approved
and they were the largest DOT Approved tire 10 years ago, when D Rex was built (some 48's DOT now).
The Steering is a modified stock power steering system and not a hydraulic ram system, the latter is
used in most off-road only monster truck setups (to be able to steer and move the much larger tires).
Outward Visibility from the driver seat is a big issue, since it is difficult to see the road from the bumper
to about 8 feet in front of the vehicle and almost no lower visibility to rear (cameras help quite a bit).
Thanks for making the 16.000 Km trip to be at DCS this year.
Later,
Rich W.
I travelled almost 16.000 Km to join the show and took over 700 pictures.
Here are just a few.
2 questions however,
Is the D-Rex road legal?
No bricklins this time, anyone know why?
John
lamboman
06-22-2012, 04:46 PM
Nice pics...any idea who's bttf conversion that is?.
I travelled almost 16.000 Km to join the show and took over 700 pictures.
Here are just a few.
2 questions however,
Is the D-Rex road legal?
No bricklins this time, anyone know why?
John
Nicholas R
06-22-2012, 05:01 PM
No bricklins this time, anyone know why?
John
It wasn't a bricklin car show this time. In DCS08 and 10 the Bricklins accepted Kens invitation and made their own car show to compliment DCS. This year they did not.
Dangermouse
06-22-2012, 11:14 PM
Maybe not too many Bricklin owners in FL.
Maybe we'll see them in Dayton.
john 05141
06-25-2012, 07:03 AM
Thanks for making the 16.000 Km trip to be at DCS this year. I am now finally recovered from my hang over... no, I mean jet lag.
I was sleeping most of the time of those 16.000Km anyway... It was my second DCS. The stories and speaches remain more or less the same but there are other cars becasue of a different location. It is so great to be able to see those cars in aircondioned comfort.
I came with a focus to see the proto 1, the BTTF 3, D-Rex and the Limo. And of course all the other cars. I took the time to look at each and single one of them. Lovely to see the special customs things some owners have done. What I also notived is that the general condition of the Deloreans was better than in Gettysburg. But there were far less cars, could have something to do with it.
Rich, I am writing articles for the Dutch Delorean magazine "Dashboard". I went out on (I think it was sunday) morning becasue your D-Rex was parked in front of the flower garden. So I took some pictures I'll try to get on the cover of the next issue. I'll send you a scan. (september)
thanks y'all
John
Rich W
06-25-2012, 12:22 PM
Hi John,
I was glad I was able to talk to you and a few other owners and enthusiasts who traveled from such long distances.
I know my availability was a little limited on Thursday and Friday afternoon, but since you were there on Wednesday
after I had just unloaded the D Rex and D Limo, you had my full (but tired) attention that afternoon (before dinner).
I am not sure if they are members of DMCTalk or not, but the two gentlemen from France who were at DCS 2012
(sorry, I am bad remembering names) were great to talk to also. I hope my answers to your question were understood.
I look forward to seeing a scan of the your Fall Issue sometime around September.
Thanks,
Rich W.
marvins_dad
06-26-2012, 12:42 AM
I found out about the raffle car the last day of raffle sales through Facebook and DMC Houston...but it informed me there was a show going on in Orlando and weeks later our already planned vacation fit perfectly with attending the show. We finished up Disney and were changing hotels...perfect opportunity to drop by and drool.
Here is the album of my pics...
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151005338230376.470917.626920375&type=3&l=28419029ac
11409114211142011419114181141711416114151141411413 11412114111141011422
DeloreanJoshQ
06-26-2012, 09:29 PM
Here are over 400 photos that I took, and you don't have to sign up for Facebook to see them, just click on the link:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151818337745696.860678.671145695&type=3&l=71d0fbb4fd
stevedmc
06-26-2012, 09:51 PM
Here are over 400 photos that I took, and you don't have to sign up for Facebook to see them, just click on the link:
https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.10151818337745696.860678.671145695&type=3&l=71d0fbb4fd
I clicked on the link and it didn't work. Something about content being unavailable.
DeloreanJoshQ
06-26-2012, 09:53 PM
It works, I just tried it.
Can anyone else confirm if the link works?
dvonk
06-26-2012, 10:38 PM
it works for me...
SIMid
06-27-2012, 12:20 AM
On the horizon are new LED taillight boards, schedule and cost TBD.
.
Sweet! If they resemble like the Audies, then I am sold!! :) :)
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(not the same, but illuminated and a dark hollow in each square, not like I'm asking for much)
SIMid
06-27-2012, 01:57 AM
BTW, what were those pressed numberplates? Orlando ones.
Dangermouse
06-27-2012, 06:19 AM
BTW, what were those pressed numberplates? Orlando ones.
Ken has those specially made for each DCS with your VIN on them as a souvenir that you can buy. They are "for display only" .
SIMid
06-27-2012, 10:15 PM
Ken has those specially made for each DCS with your VIN on them as a souvenir that you can buy. They are "for display only" .
Sweet! Novelty plates. :) They do look nice!
Chris Burns
06-28-2012, 08:39 AM
My 269 photos from DCS are right here:
http://s209.photobucket.com/albums/bb50/jammer96/Delorean%20Car%20Show%202012%20Orlando%20Fl/#!cpZZ1QQtppZZ16
Enjoy!
BTTF-1
06-28-2012, 09:40 AM
Awesome Chris Thanks for sharing.
You are quite the social butterfly.
Ed:raveon:
Chris Burns
06-28-2012, 09:42 AM
Awesome Chris Thanks for sharing.
You are quite the social butterfly.
Ed:raveon:
Thanks Ed!
I was like a set of monkey bars at the show (shaking hands right and left), but I enjoyed it!! :biggrin:
Thanks to everyone for sharing their pictures :)
MTDMC
07-02-2012, 06:14 PM
Anyone see Lawrence Lormand?
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