WTT: My 2006 Ford Mustang GT for your Delorean

[Roman Legion]

I am looking to trade my 06 Ford Mustang GT for a Delorean of any year or transmission type as long as the car is in working order.

2006 Ford Mustang GT. Located in Virginia. Garage Kept. Great Condition (Has some chipped paint on the passenger side skirt from a very bad road, can't see it unless you get down on the ground). Automatic transmission, 4.6 lire V8. Odometer reading is just over 51k.
Satin Silver with Black interior. I added some minor aesthetic mods (Interior and exterior) and a C&L Racer Cold Air Intake with a tuner (Currently tuned to octane 87). I have never consumed food or drink inside, non-smoker (So it has never been smoked in) and despite past financial issues, I always found a way to keep it maintained. The pictures were taken a while ago, so I'll get new ones up soon. Clean title in hand. I'm just getting kind of bored with the car and I'm ready to move on to what I really want.

Please contact me if interested or know of someone who might be interested.

Thanks,
Jared
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[Roman Legion]

It was not raining yesterday and I should have snapped some pictures of my car so potentially interested people can see what it looks like as of the current. But I was busy with school stuff, work and doing my matinence on my motorcycle. Rain or shine, I'll get pictures today. This car is always garage kept and it stays out of the rain when I can avoid it.

[Mark D]

As I mentioned in the other thread you're much better off just selling your mustang first and then buying a DeLorean. I can't think of any examples where someone here has been successful at trading their late model anything for a DeLorean.

There are a few mustang forums out there where people are looking specifically for what you have. The mustang guys will actually appreciate all the subtle mods and updates you may have into your car. You can also try autotrader, craigslist, ebay, etc.

You'll be able to buy a DeLorean no problem with a stack of cash in your hand. Keys to a mustang aren't going to work so well.

[ALEXAKOS]

As I mentioned in the other thread you're much better off just selling your mustang first and then buying a DeLorean. I can't think of any examples where someone here has been successful at trading their late model anything for a DeLorean.

You are quite right about him selling his mustang first. But I do recall somebody who had opened a Delorean sale thread and mentioned he wanted to also trade it for a modern muscle car.

Why don't you scan through the sale section. It was not longer than a couple months ago.:wink:

[JohnZ]

How much cash do you get from a Ford Mustang GT?

[Roman Legion]

You are quite right about him selling his mustang first. But I do recall somebody who had opened a Delorean sale thread and mentioned he wanted to also trade it for a modern muscle car.

Why don't you scan through the sale section. It was not longer than a couple months ago.:wink:

I'm looking for the thread you described, not finding it so far.


How much cash do you get from a Ford Mustang GT?

KBB shows my car for private party as $17k

[Roman Legion]

LMAO!!! -- It bumped it to $18,200 Private Party (http://www.kbb.com/ford/mustang/2006-ford-mustang/gt-premium-coupe-2d/?category=coupe&intent=buy-used&pricetype=private-party&condition=excellent&vehicleid=374464&mileage=52000&anchor=true).

$18k for excellent, right? I could get very good, but not excellent. The plastic side skirt has some paint chipped off from a very bad local road I will never and have not gone down since. It's on plastic and under the car, so I never bothered doing anthing about it, it can't rust or really be seen. Interior is original and pristine, I never consume food or drink in the car, it is cleaned and polished at least once per month if I'm busy, otherwise it gets cleaned about ever 1-2 weeks. I changed the side markers that came stock as red, to being clear ones that blend in with the silver paint of the car, which looks great to me. Most of the bulbs are ultra bright LED, the ones that are not required wiring skills that I didn't know how to do and stuck on a to-do list. I added chrome trim to the tail lights to give it that 60's mustang look and swapped out the stock air intake with a C&L Racer CAI and retuned the car for it. I have it set to 87 octane, but it has two other tunes, the highest being for 93 octane.

[Ron]

Yes, for excellent.

I was interested because I live in Ford Country (Bill Elliot home town) and Mustangs are hot here. ..and I am about to turn loose of my D for a manual... We have a street legal (fully dressed) 02 that did a 10.2 at Commerce first time on the track (true quarter)... looking for another toy since it is sold this weekend.... Just hashing ideas.
I better quit before your thread gets hijacked , again LOL

[Roman Legion]

Yes, for excellent.

I was interested because I live in Ford Country (Bill Elliot home town) and Mustangs are hot here. ..and I am about to turn loose of my D for a manual... We have a street legal (fully dressed) 02 that did a 10.2 at Commerce first time on the track (true quarter)... looking for another toy since it is sold this weekend.... Just hashing ideas.
I better quit before your thread gets hijacked , again LOL

Well, if you're ever up in Virginia or East Tennessee (Bristol/ Kingsport area) I can show you the car. My car is very fast, turn overdrive off and accelerate even faster. You can ride around on 87 octane and use the tuner to switch to 93 if you want to hit the track. I hope you consider my car as a possible new toy.

Here are some pictures, I most were just taken a moment ago, its dark and humid as we just got a lot of rain in a short time, but the car remained gargaed the whole time. I must point out, one tire is not the same brand as the rest. All tires have excellent tread on them. Here is also a picture of the current mileage and an old picture of the CAI. If you want a picture of the tuner, I can get that too. I still have all the stock parts, in case someone wanted that over the aftermarket stuff I added.

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[Ron]

If you still have it, I will be in Norfolk June/July. But I couldn't trade outright considering the condition the D is in... Like I said, just hashing....

[Roman Legion]

If you still have it, I will be in Norfolk June/July. But I couldn't trade outright considering the condition the D is in... Like I said, just hashing....

You're the only person to peak interest in it so far, so I would say it will still be here then, but I'll let you know if anything changes. Norfolk is on the other side of the state from me, but you can still easily get back home from here. I'll talk more about this in PM.

[Roman Legion]

Here is a picture of what I did to the side marker. Stock the side marker is red (I still have the stock ones sitting around if you want them, but it looks better blending into the paint.) I also swapped out the bulbs for red LED lights.

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[Jim D]

If the Mustang is your primary driver, you may want to read all the threads about what it takes to keep a "D" on the road every day. It's a great second car but as a primary car, it will not be as dependable as the Mustang especially considering a even trade in that price range.

[Roman Legion]

If the Mustang is your primary driver, you may want to read all the threads about what it takes to keep a "D" on the road every day. It's a great second car but as a primary car, it will not be as dependable as the Mustang especially considering a even trade in that price range.

I mostly just use my motorcycle as a primary source of travel, but I do need a car to do things my motorcycle can't and I feel I'm ready to finally own a Delorean.

[Roman Legion]

Pictures taken today after I got back from my college (At college during my break between semesters, what's wrong with me? lol) I forgot to snap a picture of the back seats folding down and one of the center console, but I'll get it tomorrow. Also, pay no mind to the grass, it has been almost non-stop raining and most of that time our mower was in the shop, just focus on the car.

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[Dangermouse]

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7123-For-Sale-DeLorean-c-w-it-s-own-tow-truck&p=103468#post103468 (http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7123-For-Sale-DeLorean-c-w-it-s-own-tow-truck&p=103468#post103468)

Guy is looking to trade for an 05 Mustang

[Roman Legion]

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7123-For-Sale-DeLorean-c-w-it-s-own-tow-truck&p=103468#post103468 (http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7123-For-Sale-DeLorean-c-w-it-s-own-tow-truck&p=103468#post103468)

Guy is looking to trade for an 05 Mustang

Thanks for the heads up, I contacted him, awaiting a reply from him now. Well, I'll be back online when I get to work, assuming we aren't too busy today.

[NightFlyer]

WOW - What a coincidence!

I guess we'll find out how serious and for real the seller is.

[Domi]

Really nice Mustang :thumbup2:

[Roman Legion]

Really nice Mustang :thumbup2:

Thanks, I hope it gets me at least a decent DeLorean that I can ride around in and work on to make a decent DeLorean into a really nice DeLorean.

[Roman Legion]

Few more pictures as promised.

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[DeLorean03]

FWIW, your Mustang is well taken care of. Good job on keeping it looking so nice, man :thumbup: !

[Roman Legion]

FWIW, your Mustang is well taken care of. Good job on keeping it looking so nice, man :thumbup: !

Thanks, I am very OCD about things being orderly and clean and I have seen the worst examples of maintenance or lacktherof. I once got a ride from a friend when I was in high school, he has never heard of putting trash in a bag or something and he consumed food and drinks in his car. His front seat had stuff in it, so I just hopped in the back. In the back was a landfill of fast food, literally old food and spilled drinks from him tossing them back there. It was so smelly and sticky, as soon as I walked in the back door to the house, I took my clothes off and tossed them in the washer. Another friend never did maintenance, every time he hit the ramp for the interstate, his car sounded like it was going to die. He never in all the years of ownership changed the air filter. My own father taught me to do basic things by his example of what not to do. He once owned a 1984 Renault Alliance and from the day he bought it to the day it died (1990?) He never once changed the oil in it. I hope whoever gets this car keeps it maintained as I have, it would be a shame for it to end up the next fast food landfill. Whatever DeLorean I get from this car, will be treated the same or better. Whenever I get home from driving the Mustang, I always get a damp microfiber cloth and wipe it down of dirt. It gets clay bared and waxed every few months. Every time it gets a wash, everything from the engine bay to the trunk sills are cleaned as far as my hand can reach. Oil change is going to happen in a few hundred more miles and full synthetic oil and K&N oil filter will be added as always. I regret I never kept a log of maintenance, but I started one on my motorcycle and I'm going to start one on my car, so at least the next owner will know when I last performed maintenance on different areas of the car. When I bought my motorcycle, I had to do full maintenance (Which I may have done anyway as a pre-caution) because I had no idea when anything had been done. I hope someone wants this car before the end of summer, I'd like to get in the seat of my very own DeLorean as soon as I can, to enjoy the warm months.

[JohnZ]

I'd like to get in the seat of my very own DeLorean as soon as I can, to enjoy the warm months.

Join the club! :cool: But sadly I think that I'll have to give up this "summer vision"... :(

[Roman Legion]

Join the club! :cool: But sadly I think that I'll have to give up this "summer vision"... :(

I'm in a slighty different situation than you are, I'm in the US so all I'd have to do is drive it home or rent a Uhaul and trailer and tow it home, whereas you are in Italy, so it would be a whole dfferent headache. It's very much an attainable goal to get one before the end of summer, if someone contacts me about my car.

If anyone has more than one D, I'd hope they would consider trading one of their extra ones to not only help someone else get one, but also get a nice, fast car out of it. I'll consider rolling restorations as well, it can be a bit rough, it just has to run and be more or less in good mechanical order (Again, as in rolling restoration.).

[ccurzio]

I seriously think you need to give up the notion of trading your mustang for a DeLorean. It's really not gonna happen.

[JohnZ]

Or at least it can happen, but it's probably much easier to sell the car first and then go for a DMC like our friend Mark said.

:thumbup:

[Roman Legion]

I seriously think you need to give up the notion of trading your mustang for a DeLorean. It's really not gonna happen.

You're kidding right? You might quit when things don't look like they're going your way, I'm not at that point yet. It's easy to tell others to quit when you have what they hope to have themselves.

[NightFlyer]

What happened with the guy on Craigslist with the DeLorean that was offered with the Ford flatbed? Wasn't he wanting to work out some kind of trade?

[Roman Legion]

What happened with the guy on Craigslist with the DeLorean that was offered with the Ford flatbed? Wasn't he wanting to work out some kind of trade?

He asked how much I wanted for my car if I were selling for cash and I never heard back from him again and he never offered any answers to my questions.

[JohnZ]

he never offered any answers to my questions.

That's the most annoying thing! In these months I've been so ignored by many people... that's disappointing and makes me feel so helpless!

:confused2:

I hope you'll get it right!

;)

[Roman Legion]

That's the most annoying thing! In these months I've been so ignored by many people... that's disappointing and makes me feel so helpless!

:confused2:

I hope you'll get it right!

;)

I haven't given up, but I might have to be more patient with my projected timeline to obtain my D than I really want to be, but I'm far from doing as was previously suggested, that I just give up. The right deal will eventually come, I just have to bide my time and keep this trade offer open and active. I hope you make some progress too, it certainly is irritating, but I imagine the harder the fight for it, the better it will be when I'm sitting in the driverseat of it with the gullwing door open.

[Mike C.]

Haven actually driven both cars on option here, I personally would say hold on to the Mustang, IMO. It has nothing to do about value or worth, but for the fact it is a good car that is serving you well.

I know my words of advice will fall to the visions of DeLoreans tend to put into people's heads from time to time, but the facts can't be changed that currently you are in a better vehicle. Your Mustang looks to be a very dependable, well maintained car that you've kept documentation on. If you were to have someone trade you car for car, judging by KBB car values, you'd end up with about a 15k DeLorean that's going to require you to put money into it first.

Say you were able to get the car with the tow truck on Craigslist. Who really knows if it is even running right if he was truly willing to sell it, and not just sticking a funny photo up. Your main means of reliable transportation is now out the window, and you have only your bike to depend on.

Unless you find someone's strong daily driver that is pretty torn up, I just don't see this ending up a good thing to do for you in the long run. The stang is a really decent car. I'd rather have that dependable, hard AC blowing, reliable fuel system, cheap replacement parts car.

That being said, that is another reason i'd actually consider trading you a D if i were still driving them-- if you need a fun, reliable, hard AC blowing, reliable fuel system car that has cheaper replacement parts. Great bang for the buck car he has!!

[eagle-co94]

I don't want to rain on your parade, but I watch ebay prices as a decent gauge of the market (because I've never gotten KBB values, unless you're talking the wholesale price).

2 days ago a black Mustang GT was bid up to $8300 without meeting the reserve. That was the 2nd time it was listed, last week it only made it to $7600.

This is how the other 06 Automatic GT's sold at:

Silver 77k miles $9625
Silver 79k miles $4551
Silver 81k miles $7600
Black 125k miles $8600

It looks to me like you'd be better off keeping the car as there's almost no way you'll be able to drive a DeLorean that you get for those prices.

Having said that, I'm selling 10077 for $9k...but it needs the front end fiberglass repaired and all panels replaced.

[DMCMW Dave]

IMO KBB is always high on value, Edmunds is more accurate, real-world eBay prices run low due to bargain hunters. A quick look on that says this Mustang is worth mabye 10-12K. That may get you a DeLorean, but not a reliable DeLorean.

[Roman Legion]

I find the reactions interesting and how the mileage is overestimated. I only have barely 52k miles on the odometer, not 70k-100k..lol It feels from all the opinions here as if I came on here offering a Ford Fiesta or a Toyota Tercel as trade. Riding my motorcycle as a main mode of transportation seems to be an issue for some opinions here, when I already prefer the Ninja to the Mustang. I'm not listing some pile of crap here and aside from whatever the D owner thinks its worth is how much it goes for, no KBB or Edmunds for you. I don't care what high mileage Mustangs are going for, I doubt they were as cared for as mine. Mine has been garage kept every single day for the entire time I owned it (2008-present), whereas I see loads of Mustangs just sitting in the rain, snow and sun. Must I make a video driving it to prove it's worth the trade? I have snapshot, must I show my stats there? I can if I must. The guy on craigslist was likely full of crap anyway, he never wrote back and I did attempt to contact him several times. To be entirely open on this, I'm so bored of the mustang, I have no great need for speed and the fastest I go in it is 75 on the interstate and I just set the cruise control. I'm just not a mustang kind of guy, I would have got my loan for a DeLorean instead of a Mustang if I could have back in 2008 as the bank wouldn't finance a loan for that old of car. Being a teenager then, I had thought I wanted all the power a mustang has, but I was wrong and wish I could have done things differently, but I can't and I'm trying to get exactly what I want now. I don't mind that a DeLorean will nickel and dime me, I expect as much, but I don't have the financial resources some of you have to just drop $20k on a whim and selling the car would be a real pain, because I'd have to let people test drive it and when they wreck it, I'm screwed. Trading would give me peace of mind, as I'd have something right then and there. I'm on a rant now s I feel I'm being backed in a corner by my fellow DMCtalk members and I don't want to argue or make enemies of other members, I just want a D and to be fully part of the community.

[thirdmanj]

No ones attacking you, they're just giving their honest opinions on the matter. Selling it is your best bet, if you insist on getting rid of it. The advice against doing so is sound. So far as aquiring a DeLorean goes, liquid assets is by far the best thing to work with. The rock here, is that the DeLorean is unique and the Mustang is fairly common. I'm telling you, if you're bored with the Mustang after 5 years, a reliable, fast, new car. The DeLorean will beat you. Especially if its barely drivable and requires constant tinkering.

[Dangermouse]

Jared, you have to remember that this is a small community. Only a couple of hundred folks visit every week so you are looking at a very small subset: those that want a Mustang overlapping those that want rid of their D.

All you are seeing here is that subset, at this point in time, is zero. It's not a reflection on your car nor on you.

Btw, if I had been interested in a trade, I would certainly have expected to test drive your car, as I would expect you to test drive my D, so you won't avoid that issue just by trading.

One suggestion, that will result in a definite offer for your car, plus no need for a test drive, is to take it to CarMax for an appraisal. You can view it as the absolute minimum your car is worth, and then see what sort of D you would get for that money. Sometimes they really undervalue them, but sometimes not. In the past I have had offers within $500 of what I was thinking of listing a car on Craigslist, and by the time you consider haggling and inconvenience, I just sold it to them. Remember, your local selling price is based on how comparable cars sell in your area, whereas CM are national. For example, 4x4 cars don't command a premium locally in Atlanta, but CM pay good money and then ship it to a mountainous location, where it is snapped up.

Just a thought.

[eagle-co94]

I think you asked our opinion on this didn't you? Honestly, I can't drive down the street without passing at least one Mustang GT, regardless of miles or how well someone has claimed to have taken care of it. You don't need to convince us (or yourself) what it's worth. You just need to convince one buyer. You should try and market your Mustang to the people that would buy it. Join a Mustang forum, post it online, and advertise it anywhere there are 16-25 year old kids looking for a muscle car like near a college campus as that's your most likely audience.

I'm currently selling my 2012 Dodge Charger Pursuit. It's a 370hp Hemi car and I've only had it 7 months. Am I worried about people test driving it? NO! Why? It's just a car and even though it's a fairly rare 2012 Police package, it's easily fixed/replaced. I have full coverage on the car so no matter what happens I'm covered. If someone were to wreck it I'd probably come out ahead in the end as I'd get a check for the car, the car will be gone, and I'm asking less than nearly any other 2012 I've found. This economy still sucks so people aren't just buying things because they can, they're buying it because they have a need.

As for your comment on "high mileage" Mustangs try these sales on for size:

Black 33k $16,100 Reserve not met (convertible)
Black 45k $8,600 Reserve not met (5 speed)

Look at it this way, at least you didn't get a yellow mustang.

[Roman Legion]

No ones attacking you, they're just giving their honest opinions on the matter. Selling it is your best bet, if you insist on getting rid of it. The advice against doing so is sound. So far as aquiring a DeLorean goes, liquid assets is by far the best thing to work with. The rock here, is that the DeLorean is unique and the Mustang is fairly common. I'm telling you, if you're bored with the Mustang after 5 years, a reliable, fast, new car. The DeLorean will beat you. Especially if its barely drivable and requires constant tinkering.

I don't trust giving test drives to people and who would buy a car without test driving it? If a potential buyer wrecks the car, I'm screwed and down a car. I didn't always want a mustang, I have always wanted a DeLorean. I don't need 300+ HP or a huge V8 engine for anything, I can bet you that the DeLorean will never get old with me. I never really cared for Mustangs much, as a teenager, I think since the DeLorean was out of my reach, the speed and power a Mustang offered was great for a while. I don't mind tinkering with a vehicle, I do that with my bike and it's kind of enjoyable really, like cleaning is enjoyable for me too.

Here are a few more pictures I thought I'd share. Note: The map lights, side markers, license plate light and trunk light are all LED upgrades and far better than the stock incandescent bulbs. The bulbs were terrible when I needed to see a map (I'm low-tech and still have an atlas under a seat..lol) and could barely see what I was looking at. The LED maplights are bright enough to see stuff in the back seat. The trunk light is a vast improvement, when I had the old bulb in there and took my mom shopping, it was hard to see what was inside the trunk, now that isn't a problem. My back seats go down, which I didn't even know I could do for most of the time I have owned this car as the pull tabs are hidden, but if I had to transport large items, this would have been VERY handy; so far I have never needed to transport anything large. The most I have had to transport were guitars or my TA-50 and personal bag, but never had the seats down for those. I'll upload the light pictures when it gets dark out, for now, the seats.

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[OverlandMan]

I feel I'm being backed in a corner by my fellow DMCtalk members and I don't want to argue or make enemies of other members, I just want a D and to be fully part of the community.

Good idea. There are a lot of helpful people here who may not be as willing to help if you rub them the wrong way.

Do we know if anyone has ever SUCCESSFULLY traded their non DeLorean vehicle for a DeLorean? If so, I would think your success to failure ratio is very low. If you really want a DeLorean sell the Mustang first.

[Roman Legion]

Good idea. There are a lot of helpful people here who may not be as willing to help if you rub them the wrong way.

Do we know if anyone has ever SUCCESSFULLY traded their non DeLorean vehicle for a DeLorean? If so, I would think your success to failure ratio is very low. If you really want a DeLorean sell the Mustang first.

As I was explaining to someone via PM, I would sell it myself, but how would I handle the request of a test drive? There is a high chance the test driver would have an accident, the Mustang has power and with the changes I gave it, the accelerator is even more sensitive. If they wreck, I'm at a loss on my property and I'm kind of screwed at that point. I could do what motorcycle dealerships do on sport bikes and say no to test drives, but the car wouldn't sell.

[OverlandMan]

As I was explaining to someone via PM, I would sell it myself, but how would I handle the request of a test drive? There is a high chance the test driver would have an accident, the Mustang has power and with the changes I gave it, the accelerator is even more sensitive. If they wreck, I'm at a loss on my property and I'm kind of screwed at that point. I could do what motorcycle dealerships do on sport bikes and say no to test drives, but the car wouldn't sell.

Not sure I follow your logic --> "There is a high chance the test driver would have an accident...". We're talking about a Ford Mustang, not a 600 HP Ferrari. If your modifications have made the car unsafe, you should consider removing them as this would devalue the overall car IMO.

You're going to have an issue selling the car private party OR the slim chance of trading the car for a DeLorean if you're not allowing test drives.

[Nicholas R]

Not sure I follow your logic --> "There is a high chance the test driver would have an accident...". We're talking about a Ford Mustang, not a 600 HP Ferrari. If your modifications have made the car unsafe, you should consider removing them as this would devalue the overall car IMO.

You're going to have an issue selling the car private party OR the slim chance of trading the car for a DeLorean if you're not allowing test drives.

I agree. I'm not trying to attack you either, but I dont understand why you're so convinced everyone is going to wreck your car. Do you assume as soon as you sell it to them they're going to wreck it on they're drive home? I get it, it's kind of powerful, a lot of cars are, but that doesn't mean it's unmanageable. They're not just flying off the roads left and right. Plus it's an automatic. I could see maybe being a little concerned it it was a manual since you'd want to know that people knew how to drive a stick shift before test drive, but that's not the case.

I wouldn't expect anyone to pay you (with a delorean or with money) for your car without you first letting them test drive it. No one buys a car without a test drive first. Would you buy a DeLorean without first test driving it?? Did you buy the Mustang the first time without test driving it? The proof is in the pudding. Especially with a used vehicle. You can tell people how wonderful it drives until you turn purple, but no one is going to be completely convinced until they drive it for them self.

Also maybe I missed it in the thread, but what are the performance enhancements? I read in the first post that you had a cold air intake and a tune to make it run on 87. When you detune to 87 octane, that typically just de-tunes by adjusting timing (often fuel injector timing and firing timing) so that you dont get pre-detonation from having lower octane fuel. It's definitely nice for mileage but your output power goes down in the process, not up. Have you dynoed the car? My buddies stock GT 07 had 277hp at the wheels with a 5-speed. I assume you're around there, maybe a little lower with that tune.

[Roman Legion]

Not sure I follow your logic --> "There is a high chance the test driver would have an accident...". We're talking about a Ford Mustang, not a 600 HP Ferrari. If your modifications have made the car unsafe, you should consider removing them as this would devalue the overall car IMO.

You're going to have an issue selling the car private party OR the slim chance of trading the car for a DeLorean if you're not allowing test drives.

Most people I see driving can barely control an economy car around here, let alone anything faster. The car is not unsafe by the mods, people are just awful drivers in general, how do I let someone test drive it and be covered if they do destroy my car? If I can cover myself on that, I won't have a problem allowing test drives. I still have all stock parts and they go with the car for the next owner to decide what they want to do.


I agree. I'm not trying to attack you either, but I dont understand why you're so convinced everyone is going to wreck your car. Do you assume as soon as you sell it to them they're going to wreck it on they're drive home? I get it, it's kind of powerful, a lot of cars are, but that doesn't mean it's unmanageable. They're not just flying off the roads left and right. Plus it's an automatic. I could see maybe being a little concerned it it was a manual since you'd want to know that people knew how to drive a stick shift before test drive, but that's not the case.

I wouldn't expect anyone to pay you (with a delorean or with money) for your car without you first letting them test drive it. No one buys a car without a test drive first. Would you buy a DeLorean without first test driving it?? Did you buy the Mustang the first time without test driving it? The proof is in the pudding. Especially with a used vehicle. You can tell people how wonderful it drives until you turn purple, but no one is going to be completely convinced until they drive it for them self.

Also maybe I missed it in the thread, but what are the performance enhancements? I read in the first post that you had a cold air intake and a tune to make it run on 87. When you detune to 87 octane, that typically just de-tunes by adjusting timing (often fuel injector timing and firing timing) so that you dont get pre-detonation from having lower octane fuel. It's definitely nice for mileage but your output power goes down in the process, not up. Have you dynoed the car? My buddies stock GT 07 had 277hp at the wheels with a 5-speed. I assume you're around there, maybe a little lower with that tune.

As I said above, I wouldn't mind allowing test drives if I had a means of security in case they do wreck. There is more power in the car than stock, not less, trust me on that, the accelerator is far more sensitive now than it was before. I doubt very much my insurance covers anyone not listed [test driver] if the car is involved in an accident and then I'm out a car. If I were trading, I don't know, I feel that would be different. I'm not an expert on this stuff at all, I'm just a guy tying to get the car he wants and get rid of what he doesn't. As I told someone in a PM, if anyone were interested in the car, I have no problems going to a mechanic and having it checked out by a neutral party.

[Roman Legion]

Anyway, I almost forgot, I made a video while I was running a few errands earlier, I got caught in a light shower, but the car was cleaned off once I got it back in the garage. Sorry for the camera, it's not a great one and it keeps making noises due to being mounted between the headrest and the seat.

https://vimeo.com/66531140

As someone said on another forums I belong to that sold their Mustang "I will take this car out for a test drive, but I will be in the drivers seat!" so you know what, if anyone wants to buy the car rather than trade only, PM me, we'll set up a time for you to come by, but I will be driving during the test drive since I am the only person listed on my insurance and you still get to have a feel for the car. Allowing someone to drive your car that isn't on your insurance is just asking for trouble. Unless someone has a better idea, I've never sold a car before, so maybe I overlooked an option that is safe for me and good for a customer? To clear up the tune confusion, this car has 3 tunes from Bama tunes, I use 87, but it has two others and I have the sheet with information on it to keep getting free tunes for the car if you add parts, it also has the stock tune in case you want to revert the car back to factory specs.

[PlutonimicX]

If you're worried about someone wrecking your car and don't want to get insurance involved write up a contract stating that they have to pay the full price of repair or replacement within a certain amount of time.

[Mike C.]

I don't trust giving test drives to people and who would buy a car without test driving it? If a potential buyer wrecks the car, I'm screwed and down a car. I didn't always want a mustang, I have always wanted a DeLorean. I don't need 300+ HP or a huge V8 engine for anything, I can bet you that the DeLorean will never get old with me. I never really cared for Mustangs much, as a teenager, I think since the DeLorean was out of my reach, the speed and power a Mustang offered was great for a while. I don't mind tinkering with a vehicle, I do that with my bike and it's kind of enjoyable really, like cleaning is enjoyable for me too.


http://imageshack.us/a/img818/1189/dsc01170a.jpg

Eventually we will split all this from the for sale ad, but honestly... I've sold maybe 6 cars in the past few years for either myself or other people, two with a HELL of alot more hp than your GT, and you know what... I let people test drive it. How? If you do NOT trust them, GET IN THE CAR WITH THEM. Tell them to take it easy, if they don't, end the test drive. Period. The guys from Car Talk apparently agree with me. http://www.cartalk.com/content/sell-it-yourself-13

Not giving test drives for a car you are selling makes as much sense as nailing Jello to the wall.

As for your little statement, you sounded exactly like me about 5 years before doing any real work with DeLoreans. It's all I ever thought about. I drew them in school, told everyone one day I would have one. There was no possible way that i'd ever want anything else. blah blah blah. This is where experience comes in.
The whole glossy veneer of the thought of owning a delorean is beautiful, but it is NOT reality. When the time came for me to buy one, I did not just throw money down at the first one I saw or was in my price range. I found an owner here on the forum with a very nice project car that I had watched his progress on, knew exactly what I was getting into, and we made a deal. I got the car home, and then i immediately threw money into it. and more... and more... and more.

At one time, the DeLorean was the coolest car to me, and I would never ever regret buying one, and i would never ever sell the one I had once I did. Said it a million times. I always defended that it wasn't powerful, yada yada yada, and it was enough car for me.

A few years of ownership later, a few credit card bills later, a few car shows under my belt, i reallized i was burned out. I was tired. I didn't want to hear or talk about DeLoreans. I didn't enjoy the car anymore. I took it out maybe once or twice a month, just to keep the juices flowing.

So i did what I swore up and down i would never do: I sold it. The car was restored, ran amazingly, needed nothing except AC work for the most part. But the car was just boring. i got tired of the same conversations, the same questions, which can happen to any collector car. But I wanted to have fun driving again, which is why i'm currently building a.................nother kind of car. One I will probably hold onto because it is a rare case of a good automotive investment. Either way, my point being is never say you will not get tired of your DeLorean.

Would I ever own one again? Absolutely--but i have a very exact taste in what i'd be looking for.

Don't think of it as members trying to talk you out of ur decision when we tell u stories like this. We are just sharing experiences because we can honestly say we were at the same place you are, and we all had that glossy look in our eye when we bought the cars.

As far as my next D, if i had one, it would have to be an early vin 81. Why, because it's what i wanted to begin with. This time around though, i'd do it just for me. No car clubs, no planned events, just enjoy the car parked next to my current project.

[DMCMW Dave]

As I said above, I wouldn't mind allowing test drives if I had a means of security in case they do wreck. There is more power in the car than stock, not less, trust me on that, the accelerator is far more sensitive now than it was before. I doubt very much my insurance covers anyone not listed [test driver] if the car is involved in an accident and then I'm out a car.

Actually, you do have such security - your insurance policy.

Insurance covers anyone driving the car as long as they have your permission. Shoot - it covers even if they don't have permission - if someone steals your car and wrecks it, it is still covered. You really don't have anything to worry about.

Other than maybe the fact that your insurance company will pay off based on book value.

[Nicholas R]

There is more power in the car than stock, not less, trust me on that, the accelerator is far more sensitive now than it was before.

I see. This is a perfect example. Given what you've said, I would definitely have to test drive the car first. I'm not saying you're wrong, but personally I dont see how a vehicle can be more powerful when tuned for 87 than when tuned for 93 (unless the car was already detuned from the factory or something). That's just the science of it. Octane rating is based on a fuel's resistance to combustion due to compression. A car tuned for 87 has to compress less fuel a lower amount to prevent knocking, lowering the output in the process. There may be other mods that I'm not aware of, but given that information, I would have to test drive to verify your claims about the power.

Honestly, if I were you and got serious about selling, I would consider removing that tune. In my opinion, people don't buy Mustang GT's because they get good gas mileage. If that's what they want they'll buy a V6 Mustang or a Prius. If they're interested in your car, all they care about is the power and should have no problem putting 93 in the tank, as the car is designed. If I were you, I probably wouldn't be quite as vocal telling people that you've been running 87 in the car. Personally, I'd rather have someone tell me that they always ran premium in a high performance car than regular unleaded, no matter what mods they may have done. Despite that potential for knocking with lower octane fuel, the simple perception of premium fuel is one of higher performance, quality, and care.

If you're really concerned about what would happen if someone wrecks your car, just call your insurance company and ask them. They probably actually get asked the question all the time. You're not the first person to sell a car, and even in the extremely unlikely event that something did happen in a test drive, you wouldn't be the first for that either.

Best of luck!

[Dangermouse]

RL, please don't edit your posts with long paragraphs after people have responded. It makes it impossible for folks using the "latest post" feature to see your comments. Just make a fresh post

Re your just added paragraph about the seller being in the drivers seat for the test drive, in my opinion this is a bad idea. It just looks like the seller has something to hide. If I am paying $15k for a car (or $1.5k for that matter) I want to feel, hear and see how it drives.

[Roman Legion]

I see. This is a perfect example. Given what you've said, I would definitely have to test drive the car first. I'm not saying you're wrong, but personally I dont see how a vehicle can be more powerful when tuned for 87 than when tuned for 93 (unless the car was already detuned from the factory or something). That's just the science of it. Octane rating is based on a fuel's resistance to combustion due to compression. A car tuned for 87 has to compress less fuel a lower amount to prevent knocking, lowering the output in the process. There may be other mods that I'm not aware of, but given that information, I would have to test drive to verify your claims about the power.

Honestly, if I were you and got serious about selling, I would consider removing that tune. In my opinion, people don't buy Mustang GT's because they get good gas mileage. If that's what they want they'll buy a V6 Mustang or a Prius. If they're interested in your car, all they care about is the power and should have no problem putting 93 in the tank, as the car is designed. If I were you, I probably wouldn't be quite as vocal telling people that you've been running 87 in the car. Personally, I'd rather have someone tell me that they always ran premium in a high performance car than regular unleaded, no matter what mods they may have done. Despite that potential for knocking with lower octane fuel, the simple perception of premium fuel is one of higher performance, quality, and care.

If you're really concerned about what would happen if someone wrecks your car, just call your insurance company and ask them. They probably actually get asked the question all the time. You're not the first person to sell a car, and even in the extremely unlikely event that something did happen in a test drive, you wouldn't be the first for that either.

Best of luck!

My tuner (Which is kept in the glove compartment at all times) has three tunes which don't take long to load up and it stored the factory settings. I'll ask my insurance, because I need to make sure I'm covered if the worst case scenario becomes a reality. I'd like nothing more than to think people could be trusted to do the right thing and hold themselves accountable for destroying my car or for accidents to never happen, so I'd never have a worry, but the world isn't this way and you have to cover yourself. When I bought my motorcycle, I found that motorcycle dealerships won't let you test drive sport bikes, not even a little 250cc one for insurance reasons. The thread can be changed to "2006 Mustang GT for sale or trade for DeLorean" or something like that, I'm down for selling now, I just need to figure out how my insurance deals with this before I schedule any test drives and I need to come to a set price. I was actually considering bumping up the octane I used, but I'm not sure if it will do much for me, since I don't care for the performance boost and 87 isn't as expensive.

[Roman Legion]

RL, please don't edit your posts with long paragraphs after people have responded. It makes it impossible for folks using the "latest post" feature to see your comments. Just make a fresh post

Re your just added paragraph about the seller being in the drivers seat for the test drive, in my opinion this is a bad idea. It just looks like the seller has something to hide. If I am paying $15k for a car (or $1.5k for that matter) I want to feel, hear and see how it drives.

Force of habit, on other forums I belong to, one can get banned for 'double posting' on a regular basis. I am going to contact my insurance soon and see how this will work in case the worst case scenario happens. I have nothing to hide, I openly invite anyone interested to take it to a mechanic and have it checked out. But what do you do when a potential buyer wants to test drive and you want to make sure they are serious, see if they have the means to pay? How would you go about that? Also, what happens if someone wants to drive the car dangerously on a test drive and you declare it over from the passenger seat and they don't comply? Short of grabbing the wheel or hitting them (Which would end badly for the car and possibly me) what can you do?

[OverlandMan]

It's all I ever thought about. I drew them in school, told everyone one day I would have one. There was no possible way that i'd ever want anything else. blah blah blah.

Hahahahaha! I remember doing this in grade school. It was right around when BTTF came out.

Very good insight from Mike on his ownership experience.


But what do you do when a potential buyer wants to test drive and you want to make sure they are serious, see if they have the means to pay? How would you go about that? Also, what happens if someone wants to drive the car dangerously on a test drive and you declare it over from the passenger seat and they don't comply? Short of grabbing the wheel or hitting them (Which would end badly for the car and possibly me) what can you do?

I think you are over-thinking this. Have you sold a car private party before?

Unless you are being robbed or something, no one is going to act in the behavior you described. And if you do get robbed, let them have the damn car. Your life is more important anyways and if you have proper insurance, you'll be covered for theft.

I've bought and sold a handful of cars private party and never had any horrific experience as you're anticipating. And yes, some of them had big motors and put out more HP than your Mustang GT.

[ccurzio]

Jesus Christ dude, you're the most paranoid car seller I've ever seen. You're acting like every single person who might have an interest in your car is going to cause it to explode in your driveway as soon as they start the engine.

You're NEVER going to get rid of that car with your attitude the way it is now. As has been said earlier in the thread, this is a Mustang. It's not a Ferrari. Yes it's reasonable to take precautions, but you're planning for every kind of minute-chance disaster scenario. Here are a few more things to consider:

1. What if the person coming to drive your car is actually a terrorist operative who uses the opportunity of taking your car for a test drive to kidnap you and hold you for ransom in an effort to push their agenda?

2. What happens if the person coming for a test drive takes a wrong turn and drives into a tanker truck with a structural defect that happens to be RIGHT at the point of impact?

3. What happens when the test driver follows the route exactly as you've specified and handles the car perfectly, except just before you get home the earth spontaneously opens up underneath you and you're swallowed into the newly formed chasm?

The moral of the story: lighten the hell up, man. You're either finding ways to justify why you cannot sell your car (none of which would be avoided by trading it), or you're the kind of person who can't leave the house without a padded suit and a football helmet - in which case, why the hell did you buy a mustang at all?

[thirdmanj]

Jesus Christ dude, you're the most paranoid car seller I've ever seen. You're acting like every single person who might have an interest in your car is going to cause it to explode in your driveway as soon as they start the engine.

You're NEVER going to get rid of that car with your attitude the way it is now. As has been said earlier in the thread, this is a Mustang. It's not a Ferrari. Yes it's reasonable to take precautions, but you're planning for every kind of minute-chance disaster scenario. Here are a few more things to consider:

1. What if the person coming to drive your car is actually a terrorist operative who uses the opportunity of taking your car for a test drive to kidnap you and hold you for ransom in an effort to push their agenda?

2. What happens if the person coming for a test drive takes a wrong turn and drives into a tanker truck with a structural defect that happens to be RIGHT at the point of impact?

3. What happens when the test driver follows the route exactly as you've specified and handles the car perfectly, except just before you get home the earth spontaneously opens up underneath you and you're swallowed into the newly formed chasm?

The moral of the story: lighten the hell up, man. You're either finding ways to justify why you cannot sell your car (none of which would be avoided by trading it), or you're the kind of person who can't leave the house without a padded suit and a football helmet - in which case, why the hell did you buy a mustang at all?
Well, I was trying to be a bit more diplomatic about it, but the man just about sums it up right here. :hihi2:

RL, you're not a "Prepper" are you? Because if you are, I can think of a few better choices of transportation to survive the impending apocalypse. I don't think a DeLorean would be one of them. Unless ofcourse you're planning on going back in time to stop it... ;)

[Dangermouse]

I think you are over-thinking this. Have you sold a car private party before?


No


......., I've never sold a car before, so maybe I overlooked an option that is safe for me and good for a customer? .



Unless you are being robbed or something, no one is going to act in the behavior you described.

+1 on this.

If it helps ease your concerns RL, I am always on my best behavior when test-driving a car, particularly when the owner is with me. Yes, I will check that it accelerates correctly through the gears, one time in a straight line, but most of it is spent listening for odd noises and feeling. While the owners insurance will probably pay for the damages, I have no way of knowing that the seller is sufficiently well insured to cover all liabilities. Plus, with an accident, comes a police report, and undoubtedly my own insurance co. finding out and potentially raising my own rates. Not worth the risk in a car I have just sat in, imho.

Similarly, any cars that I have offered for sale, and been test-driven, the potential buyers have always treated them with respect. (Having said that, I just sold my minivan, and the buyer didn't even start the engine, never mind go for a test drive. He is an auto-mechanic by trade, which makes it even more surprising)

[Roman Legion]

No





+1 on this.

If it helps ease your concerns RL, I am always on my best behavior when test-driving a car, particularly when the owner is with me. Yes, I will check that it accelerates correctly through the gears, one time in a straight line, but most of it is spent listening for odd noises and feeling. While the owners insurance will probably pay for the damages, I have no way of knowing that the seller is sufficiently well insured to cover all liabilities. Plus, with an accident, comes a police report, and undoubtedly my own insurance co. finding out and potentially raising my own rates. Not worth the risk in a car I have just sat in, imho.

Similarly, any cars that I have offered for sale, and been test-driven, the potential buyers have always treated them with respect. (Having said that, I just sold my minivan, and the buyer didn't even start the engine, never mind go for a test drive. He is an auto-mechanic by trade, which makes it even more surprising)

Do you make sure a potential buyer actually has the ability to buy the car and isn't just looking to drive it just for fun, how would you do this without seeming rude? I remember when I bought my motorcycle, every bike I looked at, the seller wanted cash in hand before a test drive would be allowed (Which made me uneasy about being robbed, so I always met in a well traveled public area and brought someone just in case.).

[thirdmanj]

Do you make sure a potential buyer actually has the ability to buy the car and isn't just looking to drive it just for fun, how would you do this without seeming rude? I remember when I bought my motorcycle, every bike I looked at, the seller wanted cash in hand before a test drive would be allowed (Which made me uneasy about being robbed, so I always met in a well traveled public area and brought someone just in case.).

It's a risk you take. Buying and selling in the private market, for anything. You need to rely on your own ability to judge those who show interest in what you're selling.

If you want a little added security, either insist on being in the car for a test, or ask the potential buyer to give you 300 or so as collateral. That way, if you're robbed, you get a title something to cover the deductible and your insurance will cover the theft.

[Roman Legion]

It's a risk you take. Buying and selling in the private market, for anything. You need to rely on your own ability to judge those who show interest in what you're selling.

If you want a little added security, either insist on being in the car for a test, or ask the potential buyer to give you 300 or so as collateral. That way, if you're robbed, you get a title something to cover the deductible and your insurance will cover the theft.

So get enough to cover the deductible? It's going to be a little more than 300 for that (2k is my deductible currently, would you say that is still reasonable to ask for as collateral?). That would give me sufficient security if a potential buyer would go for it.

[thirdmanj]

So get enough to cover the deductible? It's going to be a little more than 300 for that (2k is my deductible currently, would you say that is still reasonable to ask for as collateral?). That would give me sufficient security if a potential buyer would go for it.

Jeebaz, dude. It was just a number I pulled outta the air ok? So proceed with the first option, ride with them! I don't think you've got any cause to be this paranoid about it.

[Ron]

I gotta ask, did you take your Mustang or scooter for a ride before buying them?

(Hang in there and be the first! ;-)

[Dangermouse]

Do you make sure a potential buyer actually has the ability to buy the car and isn't just looking to drive it just for fun, how would you do this without seeming rude?

You have no way of knowing, and even if he brought you some sort of proof (which he would never do, as that would show you how much cash/credit he had - a poor negotiating tactic), you would have no way of knowing if he/she is serious.

It's part of the Used Car Carma - what goes around, comes around. I'm sure I am not the only on to have lined up two or three different models of cars that I like and taken a test drive in each one to determine which model I fit in best/truly want to own. There may be nothing wrong with Brand X car that I test-drove (could be a really well looked after car, at a fair price) but it just may not be for me, and I won't know that unless I drive it. So on the other end, I have to accept that I will get time-wasters wanting to check out my car when I come to sell it.

It's part of what you have to do to earn the difference in cost between what Carmax offer you (no hassles, test-drives, guaranteed money) and what you may get selling it private party. If that differential is $2000, then you have to ask yourself are you willing to do what it takes to earn an extra $2k? It may be $500 or $5000 and only you can say what your personal economics are. Of course, if you ahve a loan to pay off, then you may need to get a certain $ back for the car, so the above advice may be moot.

[Nicholas R]

If you really have so many concerns about selling, then maybe you shouldn't sell private party at all. Try selling to a used car lot or a place like carmax. You won't get as much money for it but that's the price for keeping potential riff raff out.

[sdg3205]

When I recently looked at a local delorean for sale, I was honestly interested because the price was so good and since 2510 is (hopefully) moving on soon I'm looking for a new project.

We looked over the car and went for a spin. The owner drove. I asked if I could drive it and he said sure, but I'd have to have a cash deposit to drive it. That was perfectly reasonable to me. It's his baby he was good enough to do the drive and I was welcome to drive it, but would have had to have $500 on hand. It made sense, it seemed fair and I had no issues with it. It was to protect him in case I drove it into a lamp post and ran away.

[LEVY]

What if buyer pay cash, then you sign the title to him. Minutes later he pulls a gun, get his money back + your car with a signed title.

Best thing to do, leave your paranoia behind, there are many, many vehicles better that yours.

Motorcycles are completely different, no test drive unless you have money on your hand, that is common practice.


LEVY

[Dangermouse]

Motorcycles are completely different, no test drive unless you have money on your hand, that is common practice.
LEVY

Why is that? I am genuinely curious.

[sdg3205]

Why is that? I am genuinely curious.

Bikes are all different. Even a seasoned rider (like me) can hop on someone else's bike and get thrown off by throttle response, weight, braking etc.

On a car you might just peel out, skid etc but on a bike, you go over the bars, turn it upside on or drop it. It happens a lot. I refuse to ride even my best friends shovel head for that very reason.

Edit:

A few years back I let a friend try one of my bikes. He dropped it at the top of the driveway and the exhaust burned his leg badly. He still has a scar.

Some people who come see a bike are veteran riders, some are new. You never really know the story.

[LEVY]

Why is that? I am genuinely curious.

Because driver may drop it even before the test drive, see this ad:

http://chicago.craigslist.org/nwc/mcy/3755534198.html

LEVY

[Jonathan]

I see that both sides of this debate could cut the other some slack. RL has tried to ask for your opinion on something typically straightforward. There's also a handful of seemingly odd comments from RL recently and in the past that may be coming to mind. Some feedback he's been given has been valuable, but could have been more diplomatic as James pointed out. Most of us know the harsh reality of these cars, but there is a way to inform people nicely and a way which gets people all worked up. Dermot is right about the small community and subset. It can be a tough crowd for some of us whether you are "in" or "out."

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7111-RIP-Tim-Bosma-and-why-you-need-to-be-SO-careful-these-days&highlight=bosma

That being said, you can take reasonable precautions like having adequate insurance, asking questions, and feeling some level of trust towards the person driving your car. You can also take steps to protect yourself from the whack jobs in the world as southern Ontario learned recently (in Cory's thread linked here). I would say this is an exception and not the norm, but a good reminder to not take chances. Meet in public places, during daylight hours, and with someone other than just yourself. And, yea, watch out for the sinkholes ;)

[Josh]

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7111-RIP-Tim-Bosma-and-why-you-need-to-be-SO-careful-these-days&highlight=bosma

That being said, you can take reasonable precautions like having adequate insurance, asking questions, and feeling some level of trust towards the person driving your car. You can also take steps to protect yourself from the whack jobs in the world as southern Ontario learned recently (in Cory's thread linked here). I would say this is an exception and not the norm, but a good reminder to not take chances. Meet in public places, during daylight hours, and with someone other than just yourself. And, yea, watch out for the sinkholes ;)

I was wondering if someone was going to link that story to this thread...

[Roman Legion]

I had an inspection of the part of the car that seemed to drive any interest away when I mentioned history. I have a full copy of the report available to any interested parties on request. They lifted the car and nothing was wrong with the car. It had a previous accident at one point, but it must have been very minor because the crumple zones were never crushed, they are still 100% perfect. There is a small dent in the front of the engine bay and the radiator support was at some point replaced (He noted it was properly replaced). bumper mounting flange was starightened at some point, but from what was found, it seems the previous owner did very minimal damage. For anyone interested in trading, I have the report from the inspecting mechanic, which has name and number so you can call and inquire for more details about his finding, you can come and get a check on car out at your expense, check it out yourself and even test drive it. I talked to my insurance and test drives are ok if the person isn't in the same household as me, which that won't be the case. Before anyone dismisses my car or tells me to give up, just come by and take a look for yourself. I have nothing to hide, no tricks, no secrets, I have been open from the start. This car is a great ride, I just don't need the power it has and I want the car I have always wanted. I'm going to try and sell it online as well, but I am exploring every avenue to get me to my goal.

Pictures of the findings.

http://imageshack.us/a/img33/6269/dsc01189nt.jpg

http://imageshack.us/a/img28/8172/dsc01192qx.jpg

[eagle-co94]

I wasn't getting much traffic on Craigslist recently so I put my car up on ebay for better coverage. I had to list it a total of 3 times, but the single bid came in a few hours before the auction ended. It was great too because a dealership bought the car so the payment was quick as well as the pickup.

[NightFlyer]

This Mustang has an average fair market value (with the title/history report defects) of about $13,000.

http://www.kbb.com/ford/mustang/2006-ford-mustang/gt-deluxe-coupe-2d/?pricetype=private-party&vehicleid=509&intent=trade-in-sell&mileage=51500&category=coupe&options=19380|true&anchor=true&anchor=true

There are some DeLoreans currently on Craigslist in this price range:

http://fresno.en.craigslist.org/cto/3789417824.html (those BBS wheels actually don't look too bad on a red D)
http://nashville.en.craigslist.org/cto/3792828848.html (looking to trade - may be what you're looking for)
http://orangecounty.en.craigslist.org/cto/3715063226.html (says he's willing to trade - again, may be what you're looking for)
http://onslow.craigslist.org/atq/3817381692.html (only $5,000 seems too good to be true, but you never know until you find out, right?)
http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/3731713102.html (looking for cash only, but if you sell, should be more than doable)
http://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/3797876820.html ($15k is a little more than what you're looking for, but close, and this one looks nice)

Lots of running low-cost options out there right now - so what are you waiting for? Either get it traded or get it sold.

Best of luck to you!

[OverlandMan]

This Mustang has an average fair market value (with the title/history report defects) of about $13,000.

http://www.kbb.com/ford/mustang/2006-ford-mustang/gt-deluxe-coupe-2d/?pricetype=private-party&vehicleid=509&intent=trade-in-sell&mileage=51500&category=coupe&options=19380|true&anchor=true&anchor=true

There are some DeLoreans currently on Craigslist in this price range:

http://fresno.en.craigslist.org/cto/3789417824.html (those BBS wheels actually don't look too bad on a red D)
http://nashville.en.craigslist.org/cto/3792828848.html (looking to trade - may be what you're looking for)
http://orangecounty.en.craigslist.org/cto/3715063226.html (says he's willing to trade - again, may be what you're looking for)
http://onslow.craigslist.org/atq/3817381692.html (only $5,000 seems too good to be true, but you never know until you find out, right?)
http://houston.craigslist.org/cto/3731713102.html (looking for cash only, but if you sell, should be more than doable)
http://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/3797876820.html ($15k is a little more than what you're looking for, but close, and this one looks nice)

Lots of running low-cost options out there right now - so what are you waiting for? Either get it traded or get it sold.

Best of luck to you!

These seem fishy:

http://onslow.craigslist.org/atq/3817381692.html (only $5,000 seems too good to be true, but you never know until you find out, right?) --> if it's too good to be true, it probably is.
http://orangecounty.en.craigslist.org/cto/3715063226.html (says he's willing to trade - again, may be what you're looking for) --> I remember seeing this car for sale last year. Someone joined the forum and said they'd paid $10k for the car and were in the process of getting it moved and then disappeared from this forum. The pictures look the same. That car is a mess from what I remember seeing of it.

[NightFlyer]

These seem fishy:

http://onslow.craigslist.org/atq/3817381692.html (only $5,000 seems too good to be true, but you never know until you find out, right?) --> if it's too good to be true, it probably is.
http://orangecounty.en.craigslist.org/cto/3715063226.html (says he's willing to trade - again, may be what you're looking for) --> I remember seeing this car for sale last year. Someone joined the forum and said they'd paid $10k for the car and were in the process of getting it moved and then disappeared from this forum. The pictures look the same. That car is a mess from what I remember seeing of it.

I'm not personally endorsing any of the cars being offered. As to the one being offered for $5k, it does indeed sound too good to be true, but strange things have been known to happen (the guy mentioned the sale was due to a divorce, and he may let it go cheap just to burn his ex - I've seen crazy stuff like that happen before) - you never really know until you find out and it doesn't cost you anything to find out except your time and effort. If Roman is serious, I'd at least find out. Hell, if I really wanted another car right now, I'd at least be inquiring about it!

As to the second car you reference, yeah, it doesn't really look all that great, but then again, it doesn't really look all that bad either. Undoubtedly needs a financial commitment and a lot of work, but the price seems somewhat fair for what you're getting. If you really wanted an unpainted car, this might be a better value than one of the painted cars in better condition. It really depends on what you're looking for and the kind of work you're able/willing to do to make it what you want.

In the defined budget, you really can't expect a perfect car, but a decent one should be possible if you're not too picky - beggars can't be choosy!

[Roman Legion]

I'm not personally endorsing any of the cars being offered. As to the one being offered for $5k, it does indeed sound too good to be true, but strange things have been known to happen (the guy mentioned the sale was due to a divorce, and he may let it go cheap just to burn his ex - I've seen crazy stuff like that happen before) - you never really know until you find out and it doesn't cost you anything to find out except your time and effort. If Roman is serious, I'd at least find out. Hell, if I really wanted another car right now, I'd at least be inquiring about it!

As to the second car you reference, yeah, it doesn't really look all that great, but then again, it doesn't really look all that bad either. Undoubtedly needs a financial commitment and a lot of work, but the price seems somewhat fair for what you're getting. If you really wanted an unpainted car, this might be a better value than one of the painted cars in better condition. It really depends on what you're looking for and the kind of work you're able/willing to do to make it what you want.

In the defined budget, you really can't expect a perfect car, but a decent one should be possible if you're not too picky - beggars can't be choosy!

The $5k car has New Jersey plates and I saw this picture on a New Jersey craigslist ad a few weeks ago, seems very fishy to me. I'm contacting a few of these sellers. For the ones on the west coast (California ones) would anyone be willing to check the car out on my behalf? I'm interested and in no way choosy, but I also don't want to be scammed. I'l finish emailing these sellers and see what comes of it. The Rockford one looks to be the best one, but the red ones aren't too bad, I mean I could always remove the paint and have the facsias repainted, returning it to a stock look. The one in Orange, I'm interested in, but it seems iffy to me, just need a California member to check it out for me (And the Fresno one.). I've never sold anything on ebay, does it cost anything to list a car for sale? Craigslist never yields anything, so I have to change my sale plan since it is ineffective.

Also,

http://www.kbb.com/ford/mustang/2006-ford-mustang/gt-premium-coupe-2d/?vehicleid=374464&intent=trade-in-sell&options=4865416|true&mileage=52200&category=coupe&pricetype=private-party

[eagle-co94]

As long as you don't check boxes for extra features (which are a waste of money for the most part IMO) you can list a car for $10 or so. I listed it under a free listing window so I only paid $2.85 for extra pictures. The final value fee depends on the final price. My starting price was $17k with no reserve so a single bid would win. My final value fee was $125. I had over 2000 views the last week the car was listed and about 50 people were "watching" it by saving the listing in their account.

[papanoel]

The Delorean wiht NJ plates is using the the same photos used in another craigslist ad i saw last month. That ad was for a D in NJ.

I'm actually in contact with the owner. I will try to get the VIN from him. Anyway you can get the vin from the Jacksonville car?

PM me cuz sounds like that might be a scam or both might be a scam.

[NightFlyer]

Also,

http://www.kbb.com/ford/mustang/2006-ford-mustang/gt-premium-coupe-2d/?vehicleid=374464&intent=trade-in-sell&options=4865416|true&mileage=52200&category=coupe&pricetype=private-party

You previously mentioned that there is a title / history report defect indicating an accident and possible frame damage. Honestly, I don't care about how you care for / treat the car, inspections after-the-fact, or how minor the damage actually was. The fact of the matter is that we're talking about a 2006 Ford Mustang - a high volume production car with the 3v SOHC 4.6L. First off, there are countless examples out there readily available without title / history report defects, thus you can't expect to get top dollar for yours even if it's in perfect cosmetic and mechanical condition. Second, the desirability of the 4.6L Mustangs has really taken a hit ever since the revival of the 5.0L marque and the introduction of the Coyote engine, so if you're serious about unloading yours, you can't expect it to command top book value/money.

If you really want a DeLorean in the near future, then you have to be realistic with assessing the fair market value of your car.

Based on the average book values, recent actual comparable sale prices, and title / history report defects, I personally think you'd be doing good if you got $13,000 for your car.

[Ryan King]

These seem fishy

The Red DeLorean in Fresno is the real deal. Seen it myself. Its a piece of poo.

[OverlandMan]

The Red DeLorean in Fresno is the real deal. Seen it myself. Its a piece of poo.

Sorry - meant the 2 that I highlighted. The others looked legit. No argument there...

[Roman Legion]

The Red DeLorean in Fresno is the real deal. Seen it myself. Its a piece of poo.

How bad is it? Does it even run? I don't mind putting work into it, but it needs to at least run.

[Josh]

How bad is it? Does it even run? I don't mind putting work into it, but it needs to at least run.

Something else to consider is there is a difference between a car that runs, and a good running car. For 12K, you are going to have a hard time finding a good running car.

[Roman Legion]

Alright, reposted it for sale, lets hope either it sells or one of those links (The ones I felt were not scams) yields something. I have to call one of those ads tomorrow since it had no link to email. Sell or trade, I'm serious about trying to get a DeLorean.

[Conundrum]

Do you have another car to drive as well?

[Roman Legion]

Do you have another car to drive as well?

Yes, I have another vehicle.

[Conundrum]

That's good. Even though a DeLorean "can" be a reliable if you got the kinks worked out if it, I think it's a good idea to have a second car.

Or in my case, two others. :o

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[ccurzio]

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God I hate Tapatalk. PLEASE turn this off.

[DMCMW Dave]

God I hate Tapatalk. PLEASE turn this off.

Why? - other than the annoying signature thing it's really handy.

[Dangermouse]

It's the advertising signature that is hated, not the product itself

Sent from my iPhone via tap....... Oh, wait. :)

[LEVY]

These seem fishy:

http://onslow.craigslist.org/atq/3817381692.html (only $5,000 seems too good to be true, but you never know until you find out, right?) --> if it's too good to be true, it probably is.
http://orangecounty.en.craigslist.org/cto/3715063226.html (says he's willing to trade - again, may be what you're looking for) --> I remember seeing this car for sale last year. Someone joined the forum and said they'd paid $10k for the car and were in the process of getting it moved and then disappeared from this forum. The pictures look the same. That car is a mess from what I remember seeing of it.


The Orange Co. is the same one on this old thread: http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?4862-Purcahsed-Vin712-My-God-What-Have-I-Done-

LEVY

Needs some interior work? :D

[OverlandMan]

The Orange Co. is the same one on this old thread: http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?4862-Purcahsed-Vin712-My-God-What-Have-I-Done-

LEVY

Needs some interior work? :D

Yep that's it! Looks like its back for sale for $12,400 and in the same location. I'd guess it will sit there for a while longer at that price.

[NightFlyer]

Again, I'll reiterate that you have to be realistic about the value of your Mustang.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-Mustang-GT-NO-RESERVE-/251279243097?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a8168f759
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-MUSTANG-GT-5-SPD-12K-MILES-NO-RESERVE-/181136869422?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a2c99482e
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GT-Deluxe-Coupe-4-6L-CD-4-Speakers-AM-FM-radio-Air-Conditioning-Power-steering-/171001615843?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27d07d95e3

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?endYear=2006&zip=48890&engineCode=8CLDR&sellerTypes=b&modelCode1=MUST&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&makeCode1=FORD&startYear=2006&engineCodes=8CLDR&maxMileage=60000&numRecords=25&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=COUPE&showcaseOwnerId=68221&captureSearch=true&Log=0

http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action?alMdId=21712&mkId=20015&mlgMx=60000&mdId=21712&kwm=ANY&rd=100000&zc=48890&PMmt=1-1-0&stkTypId=28881&yrMn=2006&requestorTrackingInfo=RTB_SEARCH&kw=gt&yrMx=2006&alMkId=20015&rpp=50&feedSegId=28705&searchSource=SORT&crSrtFlds=stkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoYear-pseudoMileage-kw&pgId=2102&sf1Nm=price&sf1Dir=ASC&sf2Nm=miles&sf2Dir=ASC

http://www.adhuntr.com/2012/05/all.html?cx=partner-pub-9413604915893153%3Ao8xsd8d7h7s&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=2006+ford+mustang+gt&as_qdr=a&sa=Search#2219

As stated before, you'd be doing quite well getting $13,000 for your Mustang.

[LEVY]

Now that someone else wanted to trade a cheapy volvo for a runing Delorean, you have a lot better chances to get your dream car for an even trade.

Keep looking.


LEVY

[Roman Legion]

The Orange Co. is the same one on this old thread: http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?4862-Purcahsed-Vin712-My-God-What-Have-I-Done-

LEVY

Needs some interior work? :D

Understatement, needs an entire new interior for the most part..lol


Again, I'll reiterate that you have to be realistic about the value of your Mustang.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-Mustang-GT-NO-RESERVE-/251279243097?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a8168f759
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-MUSTANG-GT-5-SPD-12K-MILES-NO-RESERVE-/181136869422?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item2a2c99482e
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/GT-Deluxe-Coupe-4-6L-CD-4-Speakers-AM-FM-radio-Air-Conditioning-Power-steering-/171001615843?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item27d07d95e3

http://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/searchresults.xhtml?endYear=2006&zip=48890&engineCode=8CLDR&sellerTypes=b&modelCode1=MUST&sortBy=derivedpriceASC&makeCode1=FORD&startYear=2006&engineCodes=8CLDR&maxMileage=60000&numRecords=25&searchRadius=0&bodyStyleCodes=COUPE&showcaseOwnerId=68221&captureSearch=true&Log=0

http://www.cars.com/for-sale/searchresults.action?alMdId=21712&mkId=20015&mlgMx=60000&mdId=21712&kwm=ANY&rd=100000&zc=48890&PMmt=1-1-0&stkTypId=28881&yrMn=2006&requestorTrackingInfo=RTB_SEARCH&kw=gt&yrMx=2006&alMkId=20015&rpp=50&feedSegId=28705&searchSource=SORT&crSrtFlds=stkTypId-feedSegId-mkId-mdId-pseudoYear-pseudoMileage-kw&pgId=2102&sf1Nm=price&sf1Dir=ASC&sf2Nm=miles&sf2Dir=ASC

http://www.adhuntr.com/2012/05/all.html?cx=partner-pub-9413604915893153%3Ao8xsd8d7h7s&cof=FORID%3A11&ie=UTF-8&newwindow=1&q=2006+ford+mustang+gt&as_qdr=a&sa=Search#2219

As stated before, you'd be doing quite well getting $13,000 for your Mustang.

Yeah, I thought about this all day at work, as great and valuable as I personally feel it is, reality feels otherwise. I'll proceed accordingly along the lines of hoping maybe in the smallest modicum to get $13k. Autotrader offered me only $7k, so selling it outright to a company isn't for me, I feel I can do better than that, if not, I'll just save for a restoration D and my friend and I can work on it.

[Dangermouse]

I didn't know autotrader bought cars.

Did you try carmax?

[Roman Legion]

I didn't know autotrader bought cars.

Did you try carmax?

I didn't either, but I was looking at listing my car there and saw it.

https://tradein.autotrader.com/ATPages/TradeInMarketPlace.aspx?zip=24311&LNX=TIMATCSYCCLPTXT

I'll try carmax, but I expect about the same offer and feel I would be better off selling private party than outright to a big company. I'll let you know how it goes (Unless anyone here wants to buy it for $13k right now?).

[Roman Legion]

Can anyone confirm this car? Has anyone checked it out, if not, can someone? This one peaked my interest the most, but I haven't ruled out several of the others. If I can get $13k for my car, I'd be more likely to go with this car.

http://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/3797876820.html

[DMCMW Dave]

Can anyone confirm this car? Has anyone checked it out, if not, can someone? This one peaked my interest the most, but I haven't ruled out several of the others. If I can get $13k for my car, I'd be more likely to go with this car.

http://rockford.craigslist.org/cto/3797876820.html

It's real. I have not seen it for several years but the price is probably reasonable unless something has changed drastically. The top photos is in our old shop.

Someone asked me about it a couple of weeks ago but I never hear any more about it.

[Dangermouse]

Yep that's it! Looks like its back for sale for $12,400 and in the same location. I'd guess it will sit there for a while longer at that price.

So Gatoona didn't purchase it in the end I guess, or has it really be 8 years since last August ;)

[Roman Legion]

So Gatoona didn't purchase it in the end I guess, or has it really be 8 years since last August ;)

I showed that car to a friend today and his response was just laughter. I told him the seller would be lucky to get $6k for it, but he said even that would be too much for that particular car. After seeing how rough the interior is to the exterior, yeah, I'm crossing that off my list. I'm still interested in that $9k red D, but I'm awaiting more information before I proceed there. If my car manages to sell on ebay, I'm probably just going with the $15k Illinois D, but I would need more pictures, especially of the inside and ones more up to date. Unless something else comes along before then.

[NightFlyer]

Yeah, I thought about this all day at work, as great and valuable as I personally feel it is, reality feels otherwise. I'll proceed accordingly along the lines of hoping maybe in the smallest modicum to get $13k. Autotrader offered me only $7k, so selling it outright to a company isn't for me, I feel I can do better than that, if not, I'll just save for a restoration D and my friend and I can work on it.

As I stated, you'd be doing good to get $13,000, which is on the high end.

Based on what I've seen in terms of actual sales, I'd put the range of the value of your car between $9,000 (low) - $13,000 (high). The biggest problem with your car is the title / history report defect. There are so many Mustangs out there, in excellent condition, and without paperwork defects, that most people are likely to just skip right over your car once they see the paperwork defect - that is of course unless they believe they're going to get a good deal, which boils down to your starting asking price. Doesn't matter if it's really damaged or not - the paperwork says frame damage. That's reality.

Thus, it really all boils down to your priorities. If it's all about a DeLorean, and that's the main priority, then list the car on eBay in a no reserve auction with a starting bid of $9,000 and see what happens. Of course, I'd personally do this only after I've shopped it around everywhere. Don't just assume that CarMax will be the same as the offer from AutoTrader. Take it to all the local dealerships and used car lots that you can. List it everywhere online and locally - Cars.com, AutoTrader, Craigslist, Trovit, local newspapers, local shopping market bulletin boards, local college campuses, army reserve website, Mustang forums, etc. Every morning and evening, pull it out of the garage and park it in the front yard with a bunch of 'for sale' signs on it.

If you really want to sell it, make some effort and put in some leg work. Again, it all comes down to how serious you are, and given that I've only been able to find your car listed on eBay classifieds, the effort thus far doesn't appear to be all that great.

[Roman Legion]

As I stated, you'd be doing good to get $13,000, which is on the high end.

Based on what I've seen in terms of actual sales, I'd put the range of the value of your car between $9,000 (low) - $13,000 (high). The biggest problem with your car is the title / history report defect. There are so many Mustangs out there, in excellent condition, and without paperwork defects, that most people are likely to just skip right over your car once they see the paperwork defect - that is of course unless they believe they're going to get a good deal, which boils down to your starting asking price. Doesn't matter if it's really damaged or not - the paperwork says frame damage. That's reality.

Thus, it really all boils down to your priorities. If it's all about a DeLorean, and that's the main priority, then list the car on eBay in a no reserve auction with a starting bid of $9,000 and see what happens. Of course, I'd personally do this only after I've shopped it around everywhere. Don't just assume that CarMax will be the same as the offer from AutoTrader. Take it to all the local dealerships and used car lots that you can. List it everywhere online and locally - Cars.com, AutoTrader, Craigslist, Trovit, local newspapers, local shopping market bulletin boards, local college campuses, army reserve website, Mustang forums, etc. Every morning and evening, pull it out of the garage and park it in the front yard with a bunch of 'for sale' signs on it.

If you really want to sell it, make some effort and put in some leg work. Again, it all comes down to how serious you are, and given that I've only been able to find your car listed on eBay classifieds, the effort thus far doesn't appear to be all that great.

I am trying, I did list it twice on ebay and both are active at this moment, one is local and the other is nationally listed. I am going to try carmax, but they want to inspect it first, but I start summer semester this week and I'm out of town this weekend, so I'll have to do that once I get back. Craigslist gave me an error when posting, I assume the image was too large or something, but I'm going to fix the size issue and try again today. I have never heard of Trovit, but I'll check it out. Same for the mustang forums, I went to list it and it gave me an error, again I assume it was the image size. I don't want to leave my car out over night, so I can pull it out during the morning and let it sit there all day and put it back once it starts getting dark. Please don't mistake me for not trying, I am, I have just never sold a car before, so all of this is a new learning experience.

[NightFlyer]

I am trying, I did list it twice on ebay and both are active at this moment, one is local and the other is nationally listed. I am going to try carmax, but they want to inspect it first, but I start summer semester this week and I'm out of town this weekend, so I'll have to do that once I get back. Craigslist gave me an error when posting, I assume the image was too large or something, but I'm going to fix the size issue and try again today. I have never heard of Trovit, but I'll check it out. Same for the mustang forums, I went to list it and it gave me an error, again I assume it was the image size. I don't want to leave my car out over night, so I can pull it out during the morning and let it sit there all day and put it back once it starts getting dark. Please don't mistake me for not trying, I am, I have just never sold a car before, so all of this is a new learning experience.

With something as common as a Ford Mustang, you're going to have to be very proactive to get the best price. Just as long as you realize that. If you haven't shopped it around locally at every dealership and used car lot yet - why not?

Also, it doesn't take but a few seconds to re-size photos for web postings.

[eagle-co94]

With a reported accident and incomplete repairs be prepared for an offer of atleast $2-3k below wholesale.

I saw this od
n FB and immediately thought of you:

"Oh that? That's just a scratch."
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/eagle-co94/382258_538746242848495_2050404823_n_zps83cefd80.jp g (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/eagle-co94/media/382258_538746242848495_2050404823_n_zps83cefd80.jp g.html)

[Roman Legion]

With a reported accident and incomplete repairs be prepared for an offer of atleast $2-3k below wholesale.

I saw this od
n FB and immediately thought of you:

"Oh that? That's just a scratch."
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y154/eagle-co94/382258_538746242848495_2050404823_n_zps83cefd80.jp g (http://s5.photobucket.com/user/eagle-co94/media/382258_538746242848495_2050404823_n_zps83cefd80.jp g.html)

Gee thanks..lol Is that car you posted even street legal? haha

Incomplete repairs? When I had the history checked out, the mechanic noted "Appeared to have been properly replaced." I don't expect to get top dollar for it since it has a blemish on it's history report, but I don't expect to get virtually nothing for it either.

[eagle-co94]

I'd consider the bent sheetmetal in the pic you posted an incomplete repair.

As for road legal, I'd hope that car isn't with no windshield or doors...and it looks like the car wasn't a convertible to begin with.

[Roman Legion]

I'd consider the bent sheetmetal in the pic you posted an incomplete repair.

As for road legal, I'd hope that car isn't with no windshield or doors...and it looks like the car wasn't a convertible to begin with.

Point taken.

I guess that guy always hated his coupe and decided to make it a convertible..lol

[eagle-co94]

Have you thought about listing your car on websites that target overseas buyers? I know that a lot of people happen to love U.S. muscle overseas.

[Roman Legion]

Have you thought about listing your car on websites that target overseas buyers? I know that a lot of people happen to love U.S. muscle overseas.

Dealing with overseas stuff seems like too much of a headache. I'll look into it, what sites did you have in mind?

[eagle-co94]

I know of a few from Germany in particular:

Autoscout.de
mobile.de

I'm sure a little google searching will help find plenty more. I didn't handle the export of the D I just sold, that was all done by the buyer. I got with a company overseas to bring back my G wagon and classic Mini last year and it wasn't that difficult.

[Roman Legion]

I know of a few from Germany in particular:

Autoscout.de
mobile.de

I'm sure a little google searching will help find plenty more. I didn't handle the export of the D I just sold, that was all done by the buyer. I got with a company overseas to bring back my G wagon and classic Mini last year and it wasn't that difficult.

Alright, I thought I had to play around with the exporting stuff, I really didn't want to play with that nightmare. I'll check them out, thanks. Do you really think a Mustang would sell well in Germany?

[eagle-co94]

There are "American Car Shows" all over Europe. Mustangs will sell, you just have to find a buyer and have the right price. The exchange rate isn't too bad right now either which helps.

[NightFlyer]

Wholesale on this Mustang is roughly $10,000.

I believe that Chad, aka Dracula, on this forum is a used car dealer. Perhaps you should contact him regarding coming up with a realistic pricing range for your car.

[Roman Legion]

There are "American Car Shows" all over Europe. Mustangs will sell, you just have to find a buyer and have the right price. The exchange rate isn't too bad right now either which helps.

Thankfully mobile.de translates to English, I'm looking at similar car prices and it seems to be around 11k Euro for a Mustang, which is what, about $15k USD?

[Roman Legion]

Wholesale on this Mustang is roughly $10,000.

I believe that Chad, aka Dracula, on this forum is a used car dealer. Perhaps you should contact him regarding coming up with a realistic pricing range for your car.

You know what, that is a good idea, I think I'll PM him here in a few minutes.

[Roman Legion]

Ebay says my monthly limit is $5K, should I get it raised to avoid issues with money from selling my car?

[eagle-co94]

I just sold a car last month and ran into an issue with all the D parts I've been selling on ebay lately. I had to have them raise my limit as well (never knew I had one) but they said that my car sale isn't included in that total...so you should be fine.

[Roman Legion]

I just sold a car last month and ran into an issue with all the D parts I've been selling on ebay lately. I had to have them raise my limit as well (never knew I had one) but they said that my car sale isn't included in that total...so you should be fine.

Excellent, I just hope I can get the money from my auction to get my D. I have 12 bids right now, how did your car sale go? Did you get a bunch of bids at the last second? Mine has a few days still and is slowly rising (At just over $6K). I have never sold anything on ebay before, so all this is a new experience. Did ebay charge you a fee when you sold it? I paid for my listing, so I hope that was the only fee.

[Nicholas R]

eBay most certainly charges fees after you sell anything based on how much it sells for.

You can use this calculator to get an idea of what kind of fees you'll be paying: http://salecalc.com/ebay-motors

Same with PayPal if that's how you get paid.

If it sells for 15k, I believe you'll be looking at at least $500-$1000 in fees.

[NightFlyer]

eBay most certainly charges fees after you sell anything based on how much it sells for.

You can use this calculator to get an idea of what kind of fees you'll be paying: http://salecalc.com/ebay-motors

Same with PayPal if that's how you get paid.

If it sells for 15k, I believe you'll be looking at at least $500-$1000 in fees.

That's not right at all!

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/motorfees.html

The fees on auto sales are flat rate by category, as opposed to being percentage based.

Based on a low-volume seller status, the eBay fees are as follows:
Insertion Fee: Free
Successful Listing Fee (Selling Price More Than $2,000): $125

Optional advance listing upgrade fees (like reserve price, extra pictures, etc) are payable whether the auction ends successfully or not and assessed at the time of insertion.

Paypal is simply an optional means of payment that a seller can choose to accept from a buyer - but definitely not mandatory. Certainly, if you were selling a high dollar item, you would not be accepting Paypal for any kind of payment towards the purchase price other than a nominal deposit due within a small time frame from the closing of a successful auction or buy-it-now.

[Nicholas R]

That's not right at all!

http://pages.ebay.com/help/sell/motorfees.html

The fees on auto sales are flat rate by category, as opposed to being percentage based.

Based on a low-volume seller status, the eBay fees are as follows:
Insertion Fee: Free
Successful Listing Fee (Selling Price More Than $2,000): $125

Optional advance listing upgrade fees (like reserve price, extra pictures, etc) are payable whether the auction ends successfully or not and assessed at the time of insertion.

Paypal is simply an optional means of payment that a seller can choose to accept from a buyer - but definitely not mandatory. Certainly, if you were selling a high dollar item, you would not be accepting Paypal for any kind of payment towards the purchase price other than a nominal deposit due within a small time frame from the closing of a successful auction or buy-it-now.

I meant PayPal and eBay together. PayPal is very expensive to use. I've paid hundreds in PayPal fees before for selling items worth thousands on ebay. Like you said though that can be mitigated by not using Paypal. Problem with PayPal is it is so damn convenient and you just about have to offer it as an option these days.

EDIT: I did know that the rates for ebay motors were less but I didn't realize it was a stated amount after a certain selling point.

[eagle-co94]

You should get bids in at the last minute so don't stress. I found your listing (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2006-Ford-Mustang-GT-Coupe-2-Door-4-6L-/251285986962?pt=US_Cars_Trucks&hash=item3a81cfde92#ht_481wt_1186) and don't take this the wrong way...but your ad needs serious help in 2 areas your photos and your description.

Just a few tips:

Pictures:


More pictures! It may cost you an extra $5 to list more pics, but it's worth it! In the age of the digital camera, there is NO SUCH THING as too many pictures. I'd put about 20 pics up so if you have anyone ask questions you can upload pics to answer them.
360 photos of the car are a must. At a minimum you should have 1 3/4 view shot from each corner. You can always add pictures during a listing, I can't remember if you can delete/replace.
Got a tire gauge? Turn your front wheels and snap a pic of it sitting on the tire. Get pics of wear parts like the seats to show their condition.
And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. You can't take pictures of a car in the shade! You night light to bounce of the shiny surfaces of the car to make it pop! I was bad and waited until the sun was setting to get my pics (see my shadow in pics?) but I hopped in the car and drove to a parking lot that had a long open space to the west to get the most sun possible. Everywhere else the sun was behind buildings/trees already.


You've got to consider the market today, generally lazy buyers with cash and no time to properly research a car.


Break up what initially looks like a giant run-on sentence (like I have in this post). Seeing multiple lines of text is easier to follow.
I'd remove the words "partial" and "minor" from the description of your mods. You've got several mods there so feel free to use bullets to highlight them
List any and all receipts/documentation you have on the car. People will eat that up. I was excited to find receipts in the glovebox of my wagon for a warrantied brake booster and Catalytic converter.
If someone asks you a question (and doesn't include contact info) check the box to post it to the ad when you reply. It may help answer that question for someone else (saving you time) and also show potential bidders that there is interest in your car.


Check out my Charger listing (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pursuit-Police-Package-/321125517015?forcev4exp=true#ht_882wt_1167) for some ideas. I'm in no way a pro, but I like my listings to be easy to read and leave little for questions. Some of the pics I mentioned for you don't necessarily apply to my listing because my car was technically 8 months old and had under 10k miles.

Nightflyer is also correct on the fees. I had to pay a percentage back around 2004 I think when I sold my car, but it's a flat rate now...otherwise I wouldn't sell cars on eBay. I've sold 4 or 5 cars there and am about to list my '72 Chevelle wagon there. I'm not one for average common cars so I need to advertise where I'm most likely to find buyers.

I hope the info helps you as you're closer than many to actually getting into a DeLorean and I'd like to see that happen. I still think you should have a back up beater for when it breaks down on you. Multi car discounts are nice on insurance too!

[eagle-co94]

And in response to Nick above, you're looking at 3% in Paypal fees roughly. However, when the car sells you can refuse to take Paypal. I had the buyer wire me the money (though some may not be comfortable with that). If you're meeting them in person you can ask for cash and meet them at a police station or somewhere you feel is secure, or better yet have them meet you at a local bank so the transfer can be completed in person or so that you can verify a cashier's check in person. You can't be too careful when it comes to meeting strangers to buy something. I never give out my personal address for test drives or pickups. I meet people at a nearby shopping center if the part/car can be driven there unless I know the person.

[LEVY]

.........................or better yet have them meet you at a local bank so the transfer can be completed in person or so that you can verify a cashier's check in person. You can't be too careful when it comes to meeting strangers to buy something.......................... I never give out my personal address for test drives or pickups...........


I would like to add something to this:

Banks can not verify cashier checks issued by other banks, if you are a customer in good standing your bank will cash it but you will be later charged if the cashier's check came back fake. Some take advantage of this fact to defraud, be wary of someone asking you to ship, specially if shipping fees are included in the cashier's check.

I will never buy a vehicle if seller insists in meeting at some place other than his residence, I want to know where the seller lives in case something goes wrong, his address should be listed in the title anyways, why insist in meeting somewhere else?

LEVY

[eagle-co94]

Thanks for adding the check scam point. I didn't clarify on the Cashier's check. I live in heavily populated area and have access to nearly every major bank. When I get a cashier's check I go to that bank. I don't have an account at that bank, but it's a cashier's check so I've never had a problem getting it cashed.

If someone insists on meeting me at my house I will pass on the deal. Where I live has nothing to do with the transaction, and I don't need people showing up uninvited. Buying anything used has its risks. That's why nearly all bills of sale for used cars say "as-is, no warranties."

[Roman Legion]

I'll do some editing magic to the description, you are absolutely correct. As I have said, I'm new and I really appreciate the constructive critisism. On another note, bids are increasing now, so it's a good sign it's going to sell, so I should get to looking for a D on craigslist and ebay in the $13-15K range tomorrow.

[ssaleen]

Well don't get you hopes up yet till you have cash in hand. Twice selling both my saleens, someone would buy it now for the amount, and then never pay. It is the biggest pain in the ass.
You pretty much have to wait a few days just in case they do pay then relist it again and wait a bunch more time.
So good luck hope things work out for you!!

[Roman Legion]

Well don't get you hopes up yet till you have cash in hand. Twice selling both my saleens, someone would buy it now for the amount, and then never pay. It is the biggest pain in the ass.
You pretty much have to wait a few days just in case they do pay then relist it again and wait a bunch more time.
So good luck hope things work out for you!!

That and if I can get the cash from the buyer, the real fun starts at getting a $14k D..lol Nevertheless, thanks, I hope it does work out.

[eagle-co94]

I talked to the guy in Michigan tonight. No bids at 13,900 and he turned down a previous offer of 13k. It needs ac work, a windshield, wheels and there's a dent under the right side vent. It's also a low vin car with a flat hood. It does run and drive though.

[Roman Legion]

I talked to the guy in Michigan tonight. No bids at 13,900 and he turned down a previous offer of 13k. It needs ac work, a windshield, wheels and there's a dent under the right side vent. It's also a low vin car with a flat hood. It does run and drive though.

Can I get some pictures or just the email of that guy? I'd like to contact him for further details and see what it looks like. As long as it drives, I can always do work to get it back to a real example of a DeLorean. I'm not obsessed with low VINs like many are, I'm just looking for a running, roadworthy DeLorean to call my own. I'd appreciate any further information/ help you can provide.

[Josh]

He is saying it does not have the original hood, which is fishy.

[eagle-co94]

What's even more fishy is that he's only put about 5 miles on the car in the last 3-4 years (the length of his ownership). He also said that the interior lights didn't appear to work.

Here's the link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/DeLorean-1981-/111089161005?_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&forcev4exp=true#ht_481wt_1186

You should be able to PM them through eBay. I'd rather not give out his number since i don't know him personally.

[NightFlyer]

He is saying it does not have the original hood, which is fishy.

Not sure if it was the previous or current owner/seller that I spoke to roughly 5-6 years ago when I saw the car, but it was that owner who had the hood changed, and for the life of me I can't remember the reason given (but it may have been that the original gas-flap hood was damaged beyond repair when something fell on it while the car was in storage).

When I saw the car, it had the original wheels, so I'm not sure when the after-market rims were added. Unfortunately, I didn't have my camera with me at the time, so no pictures of the car from 5 years ago - sorry.

If anyone is seriously interested, with cash in-hand, I can take a ride (with my camera) and check it out for you - just let me know!

[Roman Legion]

Not sure if it was the previous or current owner/seller that I spoke to roughly 5-6 years ago when I saw the car, but it was that owner who had the hood changed, and for the life of me I can't remember the reason given (but it may have been that the original gas-flap hood was damaged beyond repair when something fell on it while the car was in storage).

When I saw the car, it had the original wheels, so I'm not sure when the after-market rims were added. Unfortunately, I didn't have my camera with me at the time, so no pictures of the car from 5 years ago - sorry.

If anyone is seriously interested, with cash in-hand, I can take a ride (with my camera) and check it out for you - just let me know!

If my car sells on ebay in another day, I'd like to make an offer. I would be grateful if you could check the car out for me. If you check it out, pictures of the known damage, like the windshield crack for example. If you could get video of it starting, running and if possible driving, I would appreciate it so much. I don't mind the rims, I'd eventually replace them with stock ones anyway.

On another note, what's up with that foggy headlight?

[NightFlyer]

If my car sells on ebay in another day, I'd like to make an offer. I would be grateful if you could check the car out for me. If you check it out, pictures of the known damage, like the windshield crack for example. If you could get video of it starting, running and if possible driving, I would appreciate it so much. I don't mind the rims, I'd eventually replace them with stock ones anyway.

On another note, what's up with that foggy headlight?

One step at a time - focus on getting your car sold first. Then worry about buying a D. In regards to your sprucing up your auction, check out the following eBay auto seller for an example of what a kick-ass auto auction on eBay looks like:

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/pebbleandrock/m.html?hash=item2a2dba79e6&item=181155822054&pt=US_Cars_Trucks&rt=nc&_trksid=p4340.l2562

And it's not a foggy headlight, but rather a tinted headlight. Back in the '90's, tinted 4x6 sealed beams were considered cool. As time went on, and less and less sealed beam headlight cars were left on the road, and tastes in auto styling changed, the remaining inventory of tinted headlights were sold off often at price significantly cheaper than what a standard clear or white opaque faced sealed beam would sell for. Accordingly, those of us owning several cars with 4x6 sealed beams stocked up on the tinted lamps - I still have over a dozen myself. My guess is that one light burned out, and he replaced only that light with what he had on hand at the time as opposed to worrying about a matching set.

[LEVY]

You need to be careful with your ebay description, you are saying autocheck report is wrong and that you have proof to prove it, your pictures posted here prove otherwise. Buyer can easily back off when he notice the damage. It is better to leave some facts out than lying.

I believe once your reserve is meet, you can not edit your listing anymore.

LEVY

[Dangermouse]

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On another note, what's up with that foggy headlight?

Mine looks exactly like that and it just doesn't work. Mine's not tinted, just looks more like the silvering on the reflector is discolored. Budget for a new one anyway.


You need to be careful with your ebay description, you are saying autocheck report is wrong and that you have proof to prove it, your pictures posted here prove otherwise. Buyer can easily back off when he notice the damage. It is better to leave some facts out than lying.

I believe once your reserve is meet, you can not edit your listing anymore.

LEVY

You could add pictures of the frame and a copy of the inspectors report. Then the potential buyer won't be surprised.

[Roman Legion]

You need to be careful with your ebay description, you are saying autocheck report is wrong and that you have proof to prove it, your pictures posted here prove otherwise. Buyer can easily back off when he notice the damage. It is better to leave some facts out than lying.

I believe once your reserve is meet, you can not edit your listing anymore.

LEVY

I wasn't lying, I did talk to autocheck, but it wasn't about the frame thing, it was about the lien record, I paid the car off over 2 years ago, so I thought it was supposed to be removed and yesterday I got a reply stating it could not be removed. I haven't lied at all in my sale and have been open from the start.

<EDIT> You're right, I can see where it looks like it, I'll fix it. The correction part and the history explaination were worded badly on my part.

[LEVY]

I wasn't lying, I did talk to autocheck, but it wasn't about the frame thing, it was about the lien record, I paid the car off over 2 years ago, so I thought it was supposed to be removed and yesterday I got a reply stating it could not be removed. I haven't lied at all in my sale and have been open from the start.

<EDIT> You're right, I can see where it looks like it, I'll fix it. The correction part and the history explaination were worded badly on my part.

Just be aware that possible buyers can see all changes you have made to your ad, many changes may not look very good.

You can see changes made to your ad here: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemRevisionDetails&_trksid=p4340.l2569&rt=nc&item=251285986962


LEVY

[NightFlyer]

Add to that, you didn't make any of the revisions actually recommend by the commenting members of this forum - why???

Back when I actively bought and sold cars on eBay, they prevented you from making any revisions within the final 24 hours of the auction. Not sure if this is still the case.

[LEVY]

I wasn't lying, I did talk to autocheck, but it wasn't about the frame thing, it was about the lien record, I paid the car off over 2 years ago, so I thought it was supposed to be removed and yesterday I got a reply stating it could not be removed. I haven't lied at all in my sale and have been open from the start.

<EDIT> You're right, I can see where it looks like it, I'll fix it. The correction part and the history explaination were worded badly on my part.


As far as I know, local mechanics doesn't check for lien records.

Hope this sale doesn't came back to haunt you!

LEVY

[Roman Legion]

Add to that, you didn't make any of the revisions actually recommend by the commenting members of this forum - why???

Back when I actively bought and sold cars on eBay, they prevented you from making any revisions within the final 24 hours of the auction. Not sure if this is still the case.

It wouldn't let me change the description when I went to do it, so I had no choice but to leave it.

[NightFlyer]

I wasn't lying, I did talk to autocheck, but it wasn't about the frame thing, it was about the lien record, I paid the car off over 2 years ago, so I thought it was supposed to be removed and yesterday I got a reply stating it could not be removed. I haven't lied at all in my sale and have been open from the start.

FYI: In order for a lien to be removed from the vehicle history report, your previous lender would have to file a UCC satisfaction / release of lien with the appropriate state office. As the filing costs money, lenders typically do not do this on their own accord, but will if requested, but only if the requester pays the filing fee. Otherwise, the lender usually just stamps/signs the owner's copy of the title, indicating that the lien has been satisfied / released, so that upon a transfer of title, it is removed from the history report when a new title (in the new owner's name) issues from the state.

[LEVY]

Over 90% of new vehicles sold in USA have a lien attached to the title, so a lien in Autocheck report is nothing to worry about if seller have a clear title. If in doubt, you can always call the registered lien just to make sure. In Texas you will not get a title until lien is released.

Other states may work different.

LEVY

[Nicholas R]

So did it sell?

[Ron]

Over 90% of new vehicles sold in USA have a lien attached to the title, so a lien in Autocheck report is nothing to worry about if seller have a clear title. If in doubt, you can always call the registered lien just to make sure. In Texas you will not get a title until lien is released.

Other states may work different.

LEVYSame in GA.

[eagle-co94]

So did it sell?

Negative ghost rider, $10,600, reserve not met.

[LEVY]

Negative ghost rider, $10,600, reserve not met.

I believe he should accept the higher offer.

LEVY

[NightFlyer]

So,

When is the re-listing? After all, it's the best time of the year to try and sell something like what you have?

[Roman Legion]

So,

When is the re-listing? After all, it's the best time of the year to try and sell something like what you have?

I haven't put it up yet, I'm still considering how I want to proceed here, rewording the format you provided to fit my car and I have been doing maintenance to my car and bike today. Good news for the car, it's tip top, but the bike needs new brake pads, which is simply a matter of ordering and putting on. I digress, I'd like to just put it on without a reserve, but I really don't want the car to get one $10K bid, if I am to have a DeLorean, I'll need at least $14k from it, otherwise my overall sum will fall too short to get a decent running D. I hope relisting won't charge me another fee for the month, since I'm awaiting the last fee.

[NightFlyer]

I haven't put it up yet, I'm still considering how I want to proceed here, rewording the format you provided to fit my car and I have been doing maintenance to my car and bike today. Good news for the car, it's tip top, but the bike needs new brake pads, which is simply a matter of ordering and putting on. I digress, I'd like to just put it on without a reserve, but I really don't want the car to get one $10K bid, if I am to have a DeLorean, I'll need at least $14k from it, otherwise my overall sum will fall too short to get a decent running D. I hope relisting won't charge me another fee for the month, since I'm awaiting the last fee.

You're selling something for hopefully over $10k and you're having a conniption over a $15 auction fee??? If money is that tight, then perhaps you may want to rethink DeLorean ownership.

I told you before that because of how common your car is, and thus it's competition in the marketplace, in addition to the title / history report defect, you'll have to be very pro-active and aggressive in marketing it in order to receive as much as possible on the sale. It often costs a little money in order to make money.

[eagle-co94]

"You've got to spend money to make money" is so true. I paid to list my Charger 3 times...but it worked the third time. I stuck to my price (because the market showed it was worth it) and I got it. Now my Chevelle wagon on the other hand is a different story. There's not much market for them and they're not too common so there isn't much data out there to try and figure out its value. I'll likely ebay it tomorrow and try my luck.

[NightFlyer]

"You've got to spend money to make money" is so true. I paid to list my Charger 3 times...but it worked the third time. I stuck to my price (because the market showed it was worth it) and I got it. Now my Chevelle wagon on the other hand is a different story. There's not much market for them and they're not too common so there isn't much data out there to try and figure out its value. I'll likely ebay it tomorrow and try my luck.

If it's a two-door Concours Estate, I might be tempted to buy it!

BTW - How many cars do you have? It sounds like you have quite the collection :thumbup:

[eagle-co94]

To stay on topic, I think relisting it at least once is almost the norm anymore, so I wouldn't sweat the small change for listing.

Off topic...it's a 4-door, and I currently have, by age: '72 Chevelle wagon, VIN 1045, VIN 10077, '85 Austin Mini, '96 Impala SS and '10 Challenger SRT8 (w/SRT8 parts car enroute).

[Roman Legion]

You're selling something for hopefully over $10k and you're having a conniption over a $15 auction fee??? If money is that tight, then perhaps you may want to rethink DeLorean ownership.

I told you before that because of how common your car is, and thus it's competition in the marketplace, in addition to the title / history report defect, you'll have to be very pro-active and aggressive in marketing it in order to receive as much as possible on the sale. It often costs a little money in order to make money.

No, money isn't tight at all, I personally hate spending money, but I understand what your saying.


To stay on topic, I think relisting it at least once is almost the norm anymore, so I wouldn't sweat the small change for listing.

Off topic...it's a 4-door, and I currently have, by age: '72 Chevelle wagon, VIN 1045, VIN 10077, '85 Austin Mini, '96 Impala SS and '10 Challenger SRT8 (w/SRT8 parts car enroute).

Yeah, I'm contemplating how exactly I'm going to list the car, I have a way better description this time because of NightFlyer, but I don't want to have an auction with no reserve and only get $10k for a single bid and not be able to cancel it before the auction ends. I fully understand the history report says one thing, but its not a problematic vehicle at all, no real lasting damage, other than a small dent I doubt anyone would even notice. I'm not sure yet how exactly I want to relist it, no reserve or try the same as before, just more pictures and the new desription.

[eagle-co94]

You can cancel your auction up to 12 hours before it ends. If you have it on Craigslist or somewhere else you'd have to be able to cancel it if it sells outside ebay.