Presenting...www.DeLoreanPOGs.com

[Rich W]

Presenting... www.DeLoreanPOGs.com

Launched just prior to the DMC Midwest Open House 2013, this is a new DMC Historical Website to pay tribute to the DeLorean POGs.
A huge thanks goes to Tony Swann for putting this all together and thanks to all who assisted with the data entry, including me (lol).

DeLorean POGs (look like Pigs, work like dOGs) were the men and women "in the trenches", working long hours, prepping, and in many
cases, rebuilding DeLoreans, after they were shipped to the QACs (Quality Assurance Centers). This website will record their stories.

This is an information website (nothing for sale) that will be enhanced over time with more POG and QAC related stories and topics.

The Showcase of this website is the Digital Version of the DeLorean Parts Usage Log from the QAC located in Troy, MI.
A big thanks to Parts POG, Chris Duvall, who kept the paper copy of the Parts Usage Log for over 3 decades.

Here are some of the Highlights of this new Online, Searchable, Parts Usage Log Database:

- 1016 Different VINs represented in the LOG
- 6114 Parts Usage Log entries
- 7037 Total Parts represented in the LOG (multiple quanities for different parts counted)

This database represents a complete list of all DeLoreans that were processed through the Troy QAC from the middle of August, 1981
to early February, 1982. Just think if DMC was able to use this type of technology back in the day.

Search for your VIN or for other parts specifics. Or just search it for fun. And see what POGs look like.

Enjoy !!

Thanks,
Rich W.

[Patrick C]

VERY COOL!!!!! Awesome to see what was done to 1880 at the QACs!

[OverlandMan]

Really cool to see the list of parts used on the different VINs by the POGs. Nice work. Love this historical stuff!

[NightFlyer]

HOLY CRAP - The list for my car is HUGE!!!

From all the parts listed, it looks like only 60% of my car was actually assembled in Dunmurry, with the other 40% being assembled right here in the USA! Might explain why my car has proven to be so reliable to date, despite its originality.

This actually answers the question I had about the fixed-mast fender mounted antenna and why I don't additionally have a windshield mounted antenna. Looks like the fixed-mast fender mounted antenna was added and the windshield replaced by the QAC POGs.

Rich, this is VERY COOL - GREAT THANKS to you, Tony Swann, and Chris Duvall for making this info available to owners!

[wrkey]

So I searched for my VIN 4805 and got no records. Does this mean that my car came into the US with no defects or it just ddin't go through the QAC that kept the records presented on the website?

I was kinda hoping I would find my car and have a little piece of trivia to add to the car's story.

[Rich W]

So I searched for my VIN 4805 and got no records. Does this mean that my car came into the US with no defects or it just ddin't go through the QAC that kept the records presented on the website?

I was kinda hoping I would find my car and have a little piece of trivia to add to the car's story.

This database represents a complete list of all DeLoreans that were processed through the Troy QAC from the middle of August, 1981
to early February, 1982. Just think if DMC was able to use this type of technology back in the day.

Unfortunately, this is all of the Parts Usage information that was made available to us, at this time. Although there were Parts Usage Logs
at each of the 4 QAC locations, it is not likely that the other logs were also kept for over 3 decades, from the 3 other QACs.

[NightFlyer]

I'm thinking that something had to have happened to my car in transport.

Can anyone else beat 85 separate entries?

[refugeefromcalif]

HOLY CRAP - The list for my car is HUGE!!!

That's Wild! 2 engine covers, 4 days apart? What's up with that?


Rich, this is VERY COOL - GREAT THANKS to you, Tony Swann, and Chris Duvall for making this info available to owners!

+1! Thanks to ALL for the work that allowed us access to this data base. :thumbup2:

My car was listed for 2 minor things. :)

George

[NightFlyer]

That's Wild! 2 engine covers, 4 days apart? What's up with that?

I was thinking that the first engine cover itself may have been defective or damaged during attempted install, thus another had to be procured... but honestly, who really knows for sure!

Looking at the list for my car reminded me of the scene from 'Gung Ho' (1986) where the American line worker tells his new Japanese supervisor "[t]hat's the dealer's problem - every car can't be perfect."

[vwdmc16]

Neat thing to look up! My car had no issues it seems.

[NightFlyer]

Neat thing to look up! My car had no issues it seems.

More likely that your car didn't go through the Troy, MI, QAC, but rather one of the other three, for which no records are presently available - especially considering the low VIN of your car.

[Dangermouse]

Did the cars for GA, FL and the rest of the southeast come through Delaware?

Is there a document showing the split/association between dealer #s and QAC?

[NightFlyer]

Did the cars for GA, FL and the rest of the southeast come through Delaware?

Is there a document showing the split/association between dealer #s and QAC?

My car was originally sold through a DeLorean dealership in Louisville, KY, and apparently went through the Troy, MI, QAC, if that helps to give any insight.

[jawn101]

Love this kind of stuff. I put 2100 and 1768 in and got no hits, but I agree - they probably went through different QACs.

Thanks for all the effort to make this happen!

[dmc6960]

Awesome list. Too bad my own car isn't on there. Thanks for doing this Rich!

[Farrar]

That's so cool! And funnily enough, my car is still missing two of those parts. :lol:

[Iznodmad]

Struck out with all three of my DeLoreans. Oh well. Here is what I find intriguing. There were four QACs, and at least around 8500 cars built (perhaps more). But this one QAC only had a tad over 1000 cars go through? The other three QACs did all the other cars?

[TripleZeroFilms]

Found some really interesting stuff on my car. Turns out I got both a new LF Fender and LH Rear Quarter panel. They also replaced the glass on the back LH side which explains the mystery of my inset glass! That alone was worth it.

Now if I could only figure out what my car was up to between September 15, 1981 and sometime in 1983 I'd know the full history (Which might just be it sat on a lot).

[SamHill]

Looks like a lot of "training" on the final days!

[wrkey]

From the site it states that Chris Duvall was the source of the data. Does Mr duvall know the names of his counter part at the other locations? If those names were posted, then it's possible that someone in our DMCTalk community might know them or know someone that does. The whole Six Degrees Of Kevin Bacon thing could work out for us.

I see that the POG site is asking for names and info, perhaps we can help them out.

[kenny]

Well done to all involved in this, it is nice to be able to find more history of your car.

By the way, only some trim items and a front shock replaced on my car.

[Rich W]

The revised VIN Master List for the Troy, MI - QAC attached below, contains 1003 unique VINs...all 1981 models:

19941

Note: The above VIN List will also be added to the website as well in the Future ... for Future reference.

[Rich W]

From the site it states that Chris Duvall was the source of the data. Does Mr duvall know the names of his counter part at the other locations?

Chris Duvall worked at each of the QAC locations, applying the same organizational setup, given the limitations of each location.

The Wilmington, Delaware QAC only existed for less than two months (about 7 weeks), operating mostly out of Office Trailers.
The Bridgewater, New Jersey QAC replaced the Wilmington, Delaware QAC location, once the Bridgewater deal was completed.

Chris setup the Santa Ana, California QAC and stayed a few more weeks, before he was sent to setup the Troy, MI QAC location.
The Troy, MI QAC was were Chris spent a majority of his DMC career and since it was close to his family, it was also a good fit.

Chris Duvall (Parts POG) and Jeff Synor (King POG) gave us the names of nearly all the POGs, including Bezel Bob (funny story),
so these pieces of the POG Puzzle will be added to the website in the Future.

[Rich W]

The revised VIN Master List for the Troy, MI - QAC attached below, contains 1003 unique VINs...all 1981 models:

19941

Note: The above VIN List will also be added to the website as well in the Future ... for Future reference.


Tony had a few free moments today, so the website has already been updated, along with some additional text:

http://deloreanpogs.com/parts

[Domi]

Interesting website so far!

[Dangermouse]

Chris Duvall worked at each of the QAC locations, applying the same organizational setup, given the limitations of each location.

The Wilmington, Delaware QAC only existed for less than two months (about 7 weeks), operating mostly out of Office Trailers.
The Bridgewater, New Jersey QAC replaced the Wilmington, Delaware QAC location, once the Bridgewater deal was completed.

Chris setup the Santa Ana, California QAC and stayed a few more weeks, before he was sent to setup the Troy, MI QAC location.
The Troy, MI QAC was were Chris spent a majority of his DMC career and since it was close to his family, it was also a good fit.

Chris Duvall (Parts POG) and Jeff Synor (King POG) gave us the names of nearly all the POGs, including Bezel Bob (funny story),
so these pieces of the POG Puzzle will be added to the website in the Future.

Fantastic stuff Rich.

How many POGs were there?

Do you have operating dates for the various QACs?

[Rich W]

Fantastic stuff Rich.

How many POGs were there?

Do you have operating dates for the various QACs?

Lots of POG information has been aqcuired over the past several years, and its just a matter of time until we get most of it confirmed and posted.

As mentioned, this is an information website (nothing for sale) that will be enhanced over time with more POG and QAC related stories and topics.

Not sure if we can confirm the total number of POGs that worked at the QACs, since CR Brown had a habit of firing many new hires after a few days.
I guess if we can define a minimum amount of time worked at a QAC, then we will have a better idea of how many folks were considered true POGs.

The operational dates of the QACs are a little fuzzy, but the lease dates for the locations are a little better defined. Each of the QACs took different
amounts of time to setup for use (such as Bridgewater already had lifts on-site, while Troy needed lifts, extra lighting, diagnostic equipment, etc.).

As the information is compiled, then confirmed (we have the POGs proof it all before it gets posted), more information will be added to the website.

As in the past, we have a big POG POW WOW during the Woodward Dream Cruise every year, so it's when we get the most in-person stories, etc.

[NightFlyer]

As in the past, we have a big POG POW WOW during the Woodward Dream Cruise every year, so it's when we get the most in-person stories, etc.

Sounds GREAT! This will be my first WDC with my D - can't wait to meet the POGs :smile:

[jackb]

Very interesting.
My vin- 6720 isn't listed though... It goes up to 6719, then skips to 6732 :(

[Rich W]

For those of you that had an early DeLorean processed through the Santa Ana QAC, your car may be in this QAC video.

I acquired this video a number of years ago, with an entire box of DeLorean memorabilia from a DeLorean owner in CA.

Thanks to Tony Swann for converting this video from an old VHS tape into a digital format, for all DeLorean enthusiasts to enjoy.

This QAC video will eventually be posted on the POGs website, but for now, the video will be posted to YouTube initially.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtwEAvSj84U

As a side note, this appears to be a "home video" from 1981, so there is a lot of "white balancing" being attempted at the start.
Those of you who shot video back in the early to mid-1980's may recall white balancing the camera settings before shooting video.

Enjoy !!

Rich W.

[refugeefromcalif]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vtwEAvSj84U

As a side note, this appears to be a "home video" from 1981, so there is a lot of "white balancing" being attempted at the start.
Those of you who shot video back in the early to mid-1980's may recall white balancing the camera settings before shooting video.

Enjoy !!

Rich W.

Rich, Thanks for the uploading that video!. I'm stilling learning, (and trying absorb), all the early info that I can about these cars that we're all here because of.

I remember renting VHS video cameras in the mid 80's, (Had too document my kids dance recitals and what not).
I DO remember that the cameras I rented had, "Sound.?" Did that get lost in the conversion from VHS to Digital format?

Anyroad, Great additon to the http://www.deloreanpogs.com/ Site!

I love how that one guy is not wearing a tie, (Well, a Shirt also)...

George

[Ryan King]

Nothing on my VIN. Although the car before mine did. Hah

[Rich W]

Rich, Thanks for the uploading that video!. I'm stilling learning, (and trying absorb), all the early info that I can about these cars that we're all here because of.

I remember renting VHS video cameras in the mid 80's, (Had too document my kids dance recitals and what not).
I DO remember that the cameras I rented had, "Sound.?" Did that get lost in the conversion from VHS to Digital format?

Anyroad, Great additon to the http://www.deloreanpogs.com/ Site!

I love how that one guy is not wearing a tie, (Well, a Shirt also)...

George

Sorry, the sound was already missing on the VHS tape copy.

Not sure if the mic was not plugged in back then or sound not on copy.

[Dangermouse]

We need to get Farrar to record a narration track in the style of David Attenborough on a nature program.

"Here we see the Pogs in their natural environment.

They gather at sundown at the end of a long day. Note the elaborate plumage on the males trying to attract a mate. "

[Farrar]

We need to get Farrar to record a narration track in the style of David Attenborough on a nature program.

"Here we see the Pogs in their natural environment.

They gather at sundown at the end of a long day. Note the elaborate plumage on the males trying to attract a mate. "

My "Attenborough" is awful, but I've been working with a gentleman from Birmingham, although I doubt I could pass for English at this time.

[NightFlyer]

My "Attenborough" is awful, but I've been working with a gentleman from Birmingham, although I doubt I could pass for English at this time.

We'll settle for a Peter Ustinov, or maybe even a Peter Coyote :biggrin:

[Dangermouse]

He's not far off a Morgan Freeman ;)

[Rich W]

Tony had a few free moments today, so the website has already been updated, along with some additional text:

http://deloreanpogs.com/parts

Back to the Historical Information ...

There have been a few questions surrounding details about a possible "Southeast QAC" that was in the works in the latter part of 1981.

So far, records indicate their was a Southern Regional Office that was being setup for Technical Specialist queries from the Southern Dealers.

More details on the Four "Technical Specialist" Regional Offices coming soon ...

[Farrar]

That reminds me of something slightly off topic, Rich: do you have a photo of the DeLorean dealer in Metairie, LA? I live close to the site where it used to be (it's now a shopping center) and could get a photo of the site from as close as I can to the same distance and position, so you can have a "before and after." Only curious.

[Rich W]

That reminds me of something slightly off topic, Rich: do you have a photo of the DeLorean dealer in Metairie, LA? I live close to the site where it used to be (it's now a shopping center) and could get a photo of the site from as close as I can to the same distance and position, so you can have a "before and after." Only curious.

Hi Farrar,

There is a lot of interest in seeing what DMC dealerships looked like in the past, inside and out, and of course, what they look like today, if still standing.

We are compiling "before and after" or "80's and now" photos of all the DeLorean Dealerships that were part of the original DeLorean Dealerships List.

Althougth we have not setup a specific email address for new content provisions, feel free to email any details or photos to the following email address:

[email protected]

Please include any specific details in the email title, such as: POG Found, Photo of Santa Ana QAC in 1981, Photo of DMC dealership in 1980's, etc.

Thanks,
Rich W.

[Rich W]

There is another QAC VIN List that is currently being checked and verified, after its initial data entry.

Similar to the Master VIN List for the QAC in Troy, MI, this next list is a Physical Inventory List of cars
as of a specific date, including many late 1981 models and early 1982 models. The list is currently in
a "Sorted by VIN" format and the list will also include the original Stock # for the car, in most cases.

More details to follow soon ...

[dmc6960]

Ooooh, late '81s!

Excited.

[Rich W]

There is another QAC VIN List that is currently being checked and verified, after its initial data entry.

Similar to the Master VIN List for the QAC in Troy, MI, this next list is a Physical Inventory List of cars
as of a specific date, including many late 1981 models and early 1982 models. The list is currently in
a "Sorted by VIN" format and the list will also include the original Stock # for the car, in most cases.

More details to follow soon ...

Update includes:

DeLorean Physical Inventory from QAC in Bridgewater, NJ on 05/29/1982

- over 40 "new" VINs have been identified for addition to the Master VIN List


The First Installment of the Adventures of POG Man (origins of POG Man)

- a big thanks to POG Paul Silfven, creator of the POG Man cartoon strips


Check the POG Man and Documents sections of the website for more details.

[Mark D]

I'm excited to see if anything comes up for VIN 06125. To date I have almost zero record of it prior to 2001.

[Rich W]

This may be the last major update for a while...at least until all the other information waiting in the "queue" is scanned, verified and/or manually entered.


- Update to the Documents section includes Major Equipment Orders for the QACs, including Original Purchase Orders for Diagnostic Equipment, Tools, etc.
http://deloreanpogs.com/documents.html


- Update to the QACs section includes the addresses of each of the QACs and the Southern Region Technical Center in Atlanta, GA (no vehicle processing).
http://deloreanpogs.com/qacs.html


Keep in mind that a primary goal of the original DeLorean Motor Company was to eventually discontinue the QAC Vehicle Processing at each QAC location
and convert the QACs into Regional Technical Centers that would provide Technical Support directly to the DMC dealerships, within each of their regions.

[NightFlyer]

Courtesy of Mr. Tony Swann

My D, VIN 1798, at the Troy, MI, QAC!

Apparently, it was a very special car to the Troy POGs :smile:

20144

20145

[Roman Legion]

If you need any more help with anything on and for the site, I'd like to volunteer my time to help out a bit.

[dmc6960]

My D, VIN 1798, at the Troy, MI, QAC!
20144

In that first image I can see its missing its radiator duct. Then on the QAC parts list for this car, is the radiator duct...


Sep 23, 1981 1 105506 Radiator Duct 1798

But why on earth would it ship without one???
The QAC parts list for 1798 looks like they shipped a half-assembled vehicle.

[Rich W]

In that first image I can see its missing its radiator duct. Then on the QAC parts list for this car, is the radiator duct...

But why on earth would it ship without one???

The QAC parts list for 1798 looks like they shipped a half-assembled vehicle.

It's a very long story ... but it will be told in person by the POGs at the Woodward Dream Cruise this year.

Several DeLorean Clubs plan to display at the Bloomfield Hills Mercedes Benz dealership again this year.

Details are still pending (Bloomfield Hills organizing team is under new leadership this year), so stay tuned.

[NightFlyer]

Yes, I'll wait and let the POGs tell the story behind my car at the Woodward event :cool1:

I hope that you're planning on attending Jim, as I'd love to meet you and your D, as well as see some of your mods/improvements! :cheers:

[dmc6960]

I hope that you're planning on attending Jim, as I'd love to meet you and your D, as well as see some of your mods/improvements! :cheers:

I'd love to one of these years. Unfortunately this year will not be it. My ONLY opportunity to get out of the state for a few days was for the DMCMW open house. I'll be in Dayton, OH next year though for DCS for sure.

[Rich W]

Since the DeLorean POGs website launced earlier this month, we have been in contact with two of the POGs that have been out of touch for a while.
We are hoping by the time of the Woodward Dream Cruise 2013, we will have a small "POG Reunion" before, during or after the Woodward events.

All of the POGs we have been in contact with have unique stories about their time working for the original DeLorean Motor Company and specifically
working in the QACs (many of whom worked at more than one QAC during their tenure with DMC). Depending upon how the POGs want to share
their stories and experiences with DMC, we hope to add some "POG Adventures" in the form of short stories, in the upcoming weeks and months.

Stayed tuned ....

[Rich W]

Stayed tuned ....

Well, it's been about 18 months since my last post here and there has been quite a bit of POG activity.

POG Reunions at Woodward 2013 and 2014, as well as a POG Reunion at DCS 2014 in Dayton (complete with a POG Presentation).

However, the reason for my post today is to report on newly re-discovered QAC Parts and Repair Orders for some early DeLoreans
that were processed at the QAC - Santa Ana. Although the number of cars in this group is much less than the Chris Duvall binder
from the QAC - Troy, there is info regarding about a half dozen cars having some historical significance to DeLorean Motor Company.

From the first glance through the list, it looks like most of the cars in this list appear to be from the DeLorean Manifest 1 shipment.

I took a day off work yesterday, to do the initial paperwork sorting of the QAC - Santa Ana - Parts and Repair Orders and there were
some very interesting surprises and some very cool data to add to the database, but of course, more time will be needed for the data
entry, that will hopefully take place over the Holiday break, later this month. The goal is to have the new data ready for 2015.

Stay tuned ...

[vin6635]

Hey Rich - is the new info from the paperwork Tony won on ebay? It was on FB at one point and I don't think he ever commented as to if anything good was in the win.

Rich R

[Rich W]

Hey Rich - is the new info from the paperwork Tony won on ebay? It was on FB at one point and I don't think he ever commented as to if anything good was in the win.

Rich R

Yes, this was the batch of paperwork that Tony was going after. When it got a little pricey, I chipped in half so we could acquire it for the POGs website.

Tony has been doing a lot of traveling lately, so he did not have a chance to go through it yet. I had been working 7 days a week for 2 months to finish
up a project at work before the holidays, so yesterday was the first opportunity I had to look at the paperwork. I was finally able to make some time.

The key to get the new data into the database will be to coordinate a time that Tony and I can get the data entered, between the holidays, when he gets
a few moments away from his 3 kids and I get a few moments when I am not entertaining my 4 nephews. It will be an interesting piece of planning.

Maybe if we get some significant snow, we can take all the kids sledding (get them worn out) and do a few hours of data entry, while they are all napping.
Yeah, like that will happen. I will probably be the one that needs a nap. (lol)

[vin6635]

Rich...most interesting history...hopefully you find lot of exciting bits and pieces!

I'm still waiting for the trove of insights from the NJ QAC and the ships that brought cars to that location. I'm obviously biased of course :)

[Rich W]

Rich...most interesting history...hopefully you find lot of exciting bits and pieces!

Actually, there are several very interesting pieces of information, including at least one "major" sub-set that will re-write some DMC History.

Here is a teaser for those interested in the History of Company Assigned DeLorean cars:

How many different documented DeLoreans were assigned to Johnny Carson?

A) 1

B) 2

C) 3

D) 4

[NJP548]

Just curious if there has been any new developments for the POG website?

Thanks.

-Nick Pitello