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An admin/mod from this forum has still not come forward and offered an explanation of this situation.
Given that the admin/mod had no problems in accessing the forum to delete posts almost immediately, but then are noticeably absent in the aftermath, I have no choice but to conclude that this forum is in fact colluding with DPI in secret, which I personally find to be reprehensible.
Last edited by NightFlyer; 08-30-2014 at 12:10 PM.
I just posted my final response in that thread. Mostly I am posting here to make a reference in case it does get deleted.
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Well, I really wanted to believe that Talk was changing for the better - and I gave them plenty of chances to prove themselves.
But the shear audacity of this recent stunt has finally made me realize that things have not really changed here, and in fact are probably far worse than most members even realize.
DMCTalk.org secretly colludes with vendors of their choosing.
In this case, it was with DPI.
While this forum is free to collude with whomever they wish, they should at least respect their membership enough to do so publicly, instead of keeping such collusion secret. What they did in removing legitimate comments/criticisms from a vendor review thread goes against the fundamental elements of community - or at least against any community that I want to participate in.
While many may see this as no big deal, or as over-reaction from me, I respectfully disagree, as it's not fair to the other vendors (and especially DMCMW, as Dave is EXTREMELY helpful on this forum) or the forum membership. This is something that went WAY over the line, and is probably the WORST thing that this forum has ever done.
Have you guys no shame?
Thus, unless/until the admin/mod responsible fesses up and offers an explanation for what they've done, I've decided to stop participating here. I'll log in to check any PMs that I may receive, but that will be the extent of my future dealings with this forum.
The membership deserves better than this - they deserve www.dmctoday.com and I encourage all of my friends from here to join me over there
Remember, you can be a member of both forums.
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I've seen evidence of this before; the time when they deleted the thread I made in which I posted public domain court documents proving that DPI had been sued for charging a customer for work that was never performed.
They deleted that thread in under an hour, but at least they gave me a reason; and I quote:
It's noteworthy how two reasons that are cited are that I posted it and that there are multiple positive reviews that disagree...Chad,
We are not going to get into a pissing match about what happened between Darryl and DPI. If Darryl wanted that info posted, he should have done it himself. Also, we are not going to allow you to post a blanket statement saying to not go to a vendor because they use unethical business practices, when there is review after review of work performed by his shop that states the obvious.
The thread title was altered and the thread deleted. If darryl wishes to tell his story, then that's his prerogative, permission or not. As you can see by your replies, because of your history with DPI, the opinionated statements you have made are not the same as if he tells his story himself, if he chooses to.
While that individual is no longer a moderator, it proves that there has been a history of favoritism towards select vendors.
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You're 100% correct.
The admin/mod who did this is a CHICKENSHIT that they now won't fess up to their acts and offer an explanation.
DMCTalk.org secretly colludes with vendors of their choosing.
In this case, it was with DPI.
I really think that Tamir should personally and publicly respond to this, but that's just me.
Anyway, I'm out of here....
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Because the forum consists of human beings and is also moderated by human beings a certain amount of bias has to be assumed. Nothing is perfect. If this forum doesn't suit your taste you are free to leave. Name calling is no answer and I wouldn't expect the moderators to go down to your level just because you are now trying to bait them by insulting them. Kind of like the way Marty would get into fights by being called "Chicken". In fact, it surprises me they are even allowing this thread to continue! Time for the adults to give the kids a "time out".
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That's odd, because I'm able to remain 100% objective, thus to be able to do so must be a human trait, as last I checked, I am a human being (or at least, that's what medical doctors have told me)
Thus, I have to respectfully disagree with you about assuming "a certain amount of bias." While your standards of performance may be low, not everyone's are.
And where did I call anyone any names, other than to assert that the admin/mod who's unwilling to explain themselves is a 'chickenshit,' which was meant more as an observational assessment about an act (or lack thereof) than as a personally derogatory/insultive slam - context is always important.
And who's forcing you to click on this thread and read and respond to anything I post anyway? Is someone holding a gun to your head, as if they are, I suggest that instead of posting on the forum, you may want to be figuring out a way to contact the appropriate law enforcement authorities to assist you in your dilemma.
Have a great day!
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There's a difference between remaining objective and outright favoritism. While I adamantly hate Josh at DPI, I never attack his products or call them inferior. I've even freely admitted that he makes some of the finest replacement parts out there. As a moderator at DMCToday, I have never edited or deleted any of his posts, nor have I ever accused him of anything that is not 100% verified or stated an opinion without claiming it to be such. When I'm wrong, I'll admit it and when any action is taken, we make it known. To-date, I have only deleted one post and that was a direct link to a porn video posted by Bill Robertson.
If I can act with restraint and allow things that I dislike or disagree with, why can't the moderators on this site?
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Just so no one thinks that Bill was randomly posting porn to Today, it was a direct link to Back Side To The Future, after Bill expressed an interest in doing a BSTTF conversion to his car for presentation at DCS '14 in Dayton. Thus, it wasn't random porn, but rather relevant and pertinent porn. Bill's link was appropriately replace with a link to the porn without the porn version of BSTTF found on YouTube.