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Thread: Backlit Electronic Instrument Cluster

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    EFI DeLorean dmc6960's Avatar
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    Cool Backlit Electronic Instrument Cluster

    Imagine turning this...


    Into this...


    Completely backlit, exact matching typefaces as original, illuminated needles, vacuum fluorescent odometer/trip meter, in either US or Metric display. Lets even dim them with a rotatable trip reset shaft. No more fragile dimmer on the shifter plate, do whatever you want with it now.

    But it doesn't end there...

    Imagine eliminating the angle drive. Take it off and replace it with something like this...


    Now you have a completely self-contained electronic speedometer and odometer. Your trip reset shaft now becomes a selection button to switch between a full 6 digit odometer (not a 5+.1!), trip meter, and even a realtime digital speed readout. Gone are the problems with a jumpy needle, lack of 100,000+ mile accounting, rusting cables, flaky lambda counter, and of course that pesky angle drive. 85mph, 140mph, or 240km/h? Take your pick.

    What about the rest of the gauges? Many people tell you to refer to them as an approximation of what the car is doing. Well imaging being able to completely trust everything they tell you. True voltage, true engine RPM, true oil pressure, true engine temp. Imagine even getting a flashing warning light if your engine is overheating. How about an RPM gauge that returns and stays at 0 when the engine is off!

    What about that fuel gauge and low fuel light? Never worked right? Well how about replacing it with a now drop-in generic unit? Like one of the ones from here - http://www.egauges.com/vdo_send.asp?...VDO_Adjustable, all while maintaining complete compatability with original senders, reproduction senders, and TankZillas. Sounds good? I think smart-dampened gauge pointing is even better. Instead of showing you the real time float position, lets average it over 30-60 seconds, and show you that value. Now accelerating uphill or stopping downhill will no longer have a dramatic affect on its accuracy. And how about a nice fluid motion through the whole empty-full range? Yes we can. Lets also trigger that low fuel light a little more smartly. No flickering once its getting low, just turn the darn thing on and leave it on for a minute (assuming its just barely flickering). Now you wont miss it and you should go get gas now.

    What if you want an external device to trigger the LAMBDA light when needed? Well just plug in to the original LAMBDA counter plug. No need to worry about loosing your service counter, thats all handled electronically now.

    While we're at it, lets also ditch that Mylar flex board with its copper contacts that are always lifting up and shorting out, every single time you pull out the binnacle/cluster. Gone they are!

    All this, and maybe even more, are being worked on right now. I posted about possibly doing this back on the .com forum, so now that I actually am doing this, I figured I'd start a new thread about it. This will be a DROP IN REPLACEMENT unit for the whole instrument cluster. Remove binnacle, remove cluster, swap plastic lens, install new cluster into binnacle, replace binnacle. Remove angle drive, replace with new electronic sender. Hook up (possibly) two additional power and ground lines. Replace fuse #5, bypass stock dimmer, done. Optionally replace fuel sender, temp sender, and oil pressure sender as well.

    I'm working towards a goal of having a complete unit for display at DCS'12. If enough testing is done at that point, perhaps also sell them there. This is something I've wanted to do since I bought my car 11 years ago. I am now making it happen.
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    Jim, I was thinking of working on something similar, but I will now cease my work and wait for your project to bear fruit... whilst I save my pennies to buy one post-2012.

    Looking forward to your progress!

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    Looks awesome Jim!

    Do you know if rolling/analog style odometers exist that could plug into what you are setting up so they look original? I bet once you have this setup swapping in new parts that have an original appearance will be simple for those that are interested.

    You are doing a lot right here. Can't wait to see it in operation!
    David Proehl

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farrar View Post
    Jim, I was thinking of working on something similar, but I will now cease my work and wait for your project to bear fruit... whilst I save my pennies to buy one post-2012.

    Looking forward to your progress!

    Farrar
    Hope you use a big jar.

    That is one beautiful looking panel. I still think your to optimistic setting that date but at least you will have something to show.
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    Its funny, I was going to start a thread on this right now, till I saw this!!

    I just got my new gauge cluster from DMCH, cause mine is a little faded and worned out!

    I rememeber someone on the old forum started a thread on a illuminating cluster!!

    Good to see this thread went up, I really hope it happens soon!!!
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    My VIN:    03238 Grey & Black Hybrid - Auto - work in progress Former owner 10902 - Universal 93 Raffle Car

    I met with a vendor recently to discuss electronic speedometers, and one thing that bothered me was that they reported that they could not set the starting value for the odometer, it just started at 0. I'm proud of the miles on my car, and for the most part the odometer is accurate. Any chance of setting it with your unit?

    Also, you didn't mention it but I presume your system also offers easy and precise speedometer calibration with any size tire/wheel combination. Yes?

    Kudos - and good luck - this should be nice.

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    I so want.....

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    Wooow... very very interesting!!!
    I also hope this project actually comes to life! Although no problems with mine, I do not care about a 100% original car, but like modern updates.

    2 things come into my mind reading this;
    -I hate green dashboard lights, so are other colors an option?
    -What does this look like at daytime?

    John

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    If you make this, I may not sell my car!!! Seriously, I hate the night time with the current panel lighting.

    Any chance of making the colors changeable?
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    Q & A Time...

    DavidProehl - Unfortunately I do not think mechanical rolling numbers will be possible with this setup. While it would be possible to control them electronically, there will probably not be any room behind the front panel for the mechanism for it. Trying to keep with the period look, a Vacuum Fluorescent Display (like I have simulated in the picture) is the current plan for the odometer/trip meter as they were available in the early 80's. Right now I've been having trouble sourcing a simple small 6-digit unit, but that is the plan.

    TTait - Yes, the odometer can be pre-set at purchase, but will not be user-configurable in the car. I am also proud of the miles on my car, having well over 100,000 on it. This way with the 6 full digits, you will actually know it now. With regards to wheel size it can technically be calibrated for anything, but it probably couldn't be user-calibrated like many of those universal speedometers you can buy. If there are one or two other tire/wheel sizes there seems to be a consensus on, I could put a user-configurable jumper in it to change the setting.

    john 05141 - The goal is for it to look 99% stock at daytime. Just look at your existing cluster, and imagine an electronic odometer in place of the mechanical one. Erase the trip meter.

    john 05141 and Mike - While I hadn't planned on making other colors available, there is no technical reason I couldn't do it. The green color is to match the look obtained with the HVAC decal. Many OEM gauges (including our HVAC decal) use incadescent lights with complex acrylic piping to evenly illuminate the them. Different color (ex. white at day, green at night) is obtained by a green layer on the backside of the decal. To reduce costs, I have to have a specific design for the decals and have them made in bulk. However, since this will be directly backlit with LEDs (no light-piping), the decals can be made from a single layer. The alternate color of illumination is then obtained by a specific color LED. By simply installing a different color LED in those specific spots, a different color can be obtained. Be aware though that the color of the VFD cannot be changed. It is also important to note that these will not be drop-in LEDs. They will be considered non-user-replaceable surface mount units soldered directly to the PCB. I will provide specs for LED replacement which an electronics repair specialist could perform if necessary after many many years of use.
    Jim Reeve
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