DMCH Making new vehicles

[Exolis]

So you may have seen articles popping up about DMCH making new cars. (http://www.click2houston.com/news/de...nto-production).

I'm a little confused by this... I had thought they were already doing this? Or was I just mistaken for taking existing VIN and restoring the vehicle to brand new condition? If so, I assume this means new VINs will be issued?

Also, anyone know the legal reasons why they couldn't do this before and what changed in this Federal bill to allow it?

Last question, in the last sentence Mr. Wynne states something about freshening up areas they see fit (in the future), is this implying possibility of engineering new parts for the vehicle?

[ccurzio]

I'm pretty sure this is the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act of 2015 bubbling back to the surface.

As much as I like and support the DMCH guys and their franchises, I'm against this. I understand the need for a company to enter new vertical markets, but DMCH is already relatively successful and I'd much rather the parts went to keeping the existing DMC-12s on the road.

[DMCVegas]

I'm pretty sure this is the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act of 2015 bubbling back to the surface.

As much as I like and support the DMCH guys and their franchises, I'm against this. I understand the need for a company to enter new vertical markets, but DMCH is already relatively successful and I'd much rather the parts went to keeping the existing DMC-12s on the road.

It absolutely is in relation to that act. And it's been pretty well covered here before: http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?12...hlight=replica

Espy though said that it should be closer to about 500 cars, and that they will be equipped with 3.7L 360hp engines.

As for the parts inventory draining for our cars, I'm not worried about it in the least. I seriously doubt that it will hamper availability for anything we need. Hell, who knows if it doesn't just open up some possibilities for us if we can get engine swap kits from DMCH?

[Trstno1]

I'm thinking this could be a good thing. I highly doubt that the building of the new cars would completely drain the parts pool for our cars. If they actually run out of something they now have the incentive to re-engineer the part thus keeping the parts flow going. Also, at 100k each it's bound to raise the value of the originals. It's a win win!

[rdarlington]

I'm thinking this could be a good thing. I highly doubt that the building of the new cars would completely drain the parts pool for our cars. If they actually run out of something they now have the incentive to re-engineer the part thus keeping the parts flow going. Also, at 100k each it's bound to raise the value of the originals. It's a win win!

Yeah, I made the mistake of saying something to this effect on FB and James Espey chimed in (last night/today). Is he always an asshole? He basically told me to f$@! off, the parts are his, etc. WTF? Maybe he doesn't realize the object in that sentence is *supply* and not *parts*. He just lost my business over this and my car is officially for sale. Let somebody else deal with him.

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[opethmike]

Yeah, I made the mistake of saying something to this effect on FB and James Espey chimed in (last night/today). Is he always an asshole? He basically told me to f$@! off, the parts are his, etc. WTF? Maybe he doesn't realize the object in that sentence is *supply* and not *parts*. He just lost my business over this and my car is officially for sale. Let somebody else deal with him.

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Wow. Just wow. That's some serious assholery there.

[81dmc]

Yeah, I made the mistake of saying something to this effect on FB and James Espey chimed in (last night/today). Is he always an asshole? He basically told me to f$@! off, the parts are his, etc. WTF? Maybe he doesn't realize the object in that sentence is *supply* and not *parts*. He just lost my business over this and my car is officially for sale. Let somebody else deal with him.

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So, Espey basically told ALL Delorean owners to F off? Well, if it wasn't for us owners, DMCH would be just a dusty, locked storage facility.

[DMCVegas]

Yeah, I made the mistake of saying something to this effect on FB and James Espey chimed in (last night/today). Is he always an asshole? He basically told me to f$@! off, the parts are his, etc. WTF? Maybe he doesn't realize the object in that sentence is *supply* and not *parts*. He just lost my business over this and my car is officially for sale. Let somebody else deal with him.

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I'm not seeing any of what you said at all. He is correct in as the "parts supply" that you can buy from them for your car is not yours at all. That would be like Espy claiming that you modifying your car would be akin to ruining "his" car. Your property is yours, and DMCH's is theirs.

Was he an asshole? Well, that is clearly an objective viewpoint. From my perspective, he was merely factual with you, and to the point. Perhaps because he didn't bother to kiss your ass in the process of stating his point, you view that as him telling you to " f$@! off" as you put it. In all honestly, your statement was indeed a pretty asshole thing to begin with, with you claiming DMCH's inventory as "your parts". As if he, DMCH, or anyone else on the face of this planet owes you a damn thing because you own a DeLorean. That's how I read that.

I mean, honest question here: If someone walks out of an AutoZone, or a dealerships parts counter with so much as a headlight or a screw, do YOU go and chastise the guy at the register for selling someone else "your parts"? Why is it different from DMCH?

Having worked many customer service jobs in my younger days, especially through internet tech support with the factor of anonymity compounding people's rudeness to outright inhumanity, I can certainly tell you that the customer is not always right. You absolutely have the right to feel the way that you do, but that in no way shape or form validates your reasons for feeling such. No offense to you and everyone else who agrees with you, but ditching that sense of entitlement would do to serve you all very well.

Now you may not like DMCH, or even Espy himself. That's fine. The fact that unlike some other vendors you can shit talk either one, and they'll still sell you parts and not try and "punish" you, that should speak volumes here to you, and everyone else. Likewise, just because you don't like them, nor what they're doing, that's no reason to start bandwagon attacking them.

What kills me most about this is how everyone has been giddy with their dreams over the past few decades about a new DeLorean being made from the left over parts. And now that it's here, everyone hates it. I post a bit over on Jalopnik, and there are still quite a few DeLorean owners that respond or message me that refuse to participate on online forums and discussions because of the attacks and misrepresentations like this. But I'm going to share one of my last posts over there where instead of just bashing DMCH, people actually were interested in talking about this:

That’s the whole ironic part of this whole thing. For years we’ve wanted a new DeLorean, and have just gone on and on about how great it would be to build a “new” DeLorean out of the spare parts that are lying around.

And now DMCH is poised to do just that, and even announces it. Now suddenly everyone is down on their ass, and just chocks it up to a “publicity stunt”, or just ridicule the cars we wanted for so long as not being “real” since they didn’t come from the original DMCL in Dunmurry.

Now don’t get me wrong, I’m not arguing with you on this, I’m just talking about what has been the prevailing attitude on DMCTalk the past couple of months. People keep calling DMC out as being liars, and that this is a publicity stunt. Which I don’t believe it is. I think that we’ll see the first car get built, and then people will accuse DMCH as saving face. Then when the second one gets built, it’ll be just a single eccentric person that’ll get made fun of for “overpaying” for a “fake” DeLorean.

But you watch. By the time the 3rd car comes out, and especially once the press gets ahold of them and declares them as superior to the originals based off of power and modern convenience, people will start attacking the cars out of jealousy.

Do I believe that Houston will be building new DeLorean cars? Yes I do. Because with each of these newly proposed cars that you've seen in the past, there have been advances here and there to make that proposition a reality. I think that they've been chomping at the bit to do this. Would I buy one? If I had the money, absolutely. And I can tell you right now that short of me performing a complete engine swap on my existing DeLorean, their take on this will be a far superior vehicle than what we have. And just like some people have said in the past that if you want a muscle car, you shouldn't buy a DeLorean, I would fully say that if you're someone focused on originality and numbers matching, you shouldn't buy a DeLorean either.

[aotmfilms]

Yeah, I made the mistake of saying something to this effect on FB and James Espey chimed in (last night/today). Is he always an asshole? He basically told me to f$@! off, the parts are his, etc. WTF? Maybe he doesn't realize the object in that sentence is *supply* and not *parts*. He just lost my business over this and my car is officially for sale. Let somebody else deal with him.

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Actually I was in on that conversation and Espey was not trying to be a "butthead" per se. People were trying to tell him what to do with those parts as if they were "theirs" and you became his target on FB. Granted he did not use the best of words and I would have said things differently but, the gist is that you cannot tell me what to do with my parts and I have no right to tell you what to do with yours.

So he was correct but to actually say that to a Customer is not the coolest thing to do.

[AugustneverEnds]

I'm pretty sure this is the Low Volume Motor Vehicle Manufacturers Act of 2015 bubbling back to the surface.

As much as I like and support the DMCH guys and their franchises, I'm against this. I understand the need for a company to enter new vertical markets, but DMCH is already relatively successful and I'd much rather the parts went to keeping the existing DMC-12s on the road.

I agree. The other reasons I am not keen on this idea is that is a DeLorean DMC-12 really a DeLorean DMC-12 when it hasn't been assembled in Dunmurry, Northern Ireland in 1981 or '82 and sold to dealerships by a company controlled by JZD himself? And without a PRV engine and drivetrain? To me the car represents JZD, Bill Collins, Colins Chapman and Spooner, Ital Design, dozens of other engineers, the several hundred other companies that supplied parts and services, the thousands of workers at Dunmurry and the QACs, and a very specific time and world then it was built. Just taking some old factory parts with some new parts and an alien engine doesn't equal a DeLorean to me. Part of the thrill and mystique of getting a DeLorean is knowing its been around for 30+ years and there can only be a finite number in existence. It's historical and you can't remanufacture history.

On an impassionate note, I really wonder if there is much of a market for a new DeLorean especially at $100,000 That's even more adjusted for inflation than the first go around!