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    Paint Codes

    SERVICE BULLETIN
    NUMBER ST-04-2/82
    CATEGORY: TECHNICAL
    ATTENTION: ALL DMC DEALERS/SERVICE MANAGERS
    SUBJECT: DITZLER PAINT FORMULA FOR FRONT AND
    REAR FACIA REFINISHING
    Ditzler Automotive Finishes has made available the
    following paint code for front and rear facia
    refinishing:
    Code: DAU33584
    Color: Silver Poly
    This is an alternative paint source to the one listed
    in Service Bulletin ST-13-9/81.
    Doyle J. Potter
    National Service/Parts
    Training Manager
    DJP:jh
    Issued 2/8/82

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    SERVICE BULLETIN
    NUMBER ST-13-9/81
    CATEGORY: TECHNICAL
    ATTENTION: ALL DMC DEALERS/SERVICE MANAGERS
    SUBJECT: FACIA FRONT/REAR REPAIRS AND REFINISHING
    Attached please find the instructions for repairs and refinishing
    of the front or rear facias.
    The soft facias of the DE LOREAN vehicle are made of
    polyurethane material which require special repair and refinishing
    methods.
    The attached instructions contain the paint formula using
    R-M (Rinshed - Mason) products. Paint formulas of other
    suppliers will be made available as soon as we receive them.
    Please inform all personnel concerned accordingly.
    Sincerely,
    Lutz Feuerabendt
    Technical Service Manager
    LF:dg
    attachment
    ISSUED: 9/2/81
    BULLETIN ST-13-9/81
    PROCEDURES
    REPAIRS:
    1. Distortions:
    Facias must be installed tension free. If necessary, the mounting
    points/surfaces of the body or facias must be reworked.
    2. Heavy Damages:
    Multiple or large tears, or torn out pieces, require the replacement
    of the facia.
    3. Cracks, Tears, Scratches, Gouges:
    a. Cracks/Tears - Can be repaired by bonding using 3M-8101
    construction glue.
    b. Minor Scratches/Gouges - Involving the surface paint coat only,
    can be repaired as follows: Using 400 paper (wet), color sand
    until scratch is removed.
    If necessary, to provide a good painting surface, spray and sand
    the area using the color coat material. (See Refinishing.)
    c. Major Scratches/Gouges - Using coarse sandpaper, prepare the
    area to be repaired. The area must also be free of oil/grease.
    Build up material as necessary using 3M-8101 construction glue.
    If a layered build up is required, allow approximately one hour
    between applications.
    Wet sand the repaired area starting with 200 sandpaper and then
    with 400-600 sandpaper to obtain a smooth surface.
    If necessary, to provide a good painting surface, spray and sand
    the area using the color coat material. (See Refinishing.)
    (Continued)
    BULLETIN ST-13-9/81
    PROCEDURES (Continued)
    REFINISHING:
    Depending on the size or location of the required area(s), either spot/area
    painting or complete repainting of the facia may be necessary. The following
    steps apply to either approach:
    1. Thoroughly remove all greases, dirt, wax, and other contaminants
    from the area to be painted with RM 900 Precleano.
    2. Wet sand with 400 paper.
    3. Repeat Step 1.
    NOTE: Be sure to remove all hard water residue if water sanding
    is used.
    4. Apply Alpha-Cryl Lacquer color coat.
    RM (RINSHED MASON) FORMULA
    PNT - 90 - 100
    AT - 141 - 253
    AT - 114 - 348
    AT - 116 - 428
    AT - 184 - 434
    AT - 122 - 440
    AT - 100 - 1000
    891 - See Label Directions (Flex Agent)
    5. Allow Alpha-Cryl color to dry a minimum of two hours (16 hours for
    maximum gloss at 70-72 F.).
    NOTE: A minimum of two hours is required before Step 6 is performed.
    6. For the high gloss finish, apply RM 893 2K Clear / 894 2K Hardener
    per label directions.

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    "The reason its hard to find in the PPG Access files is that for some reason it is under "Fleet" vehicles. I found the code pretty easily, but it only gives the formula for DBU, if you want to use DBC I have it as well. I took my D to my paint supplier and had them put the camera to it. The camera works very well, but if I were putting panels together(Say if I were painting a door panel which would have to butt against a factory fender, then I would be hesitant to use it without testing it first, but for a Delorean, it should be fine as the bumpers are 20' apart) I didnt get the one for DAU as I dont think anyone is using single stage anymore. The formula for PPG DBU is as follows:

    633 Med. Alum 137.2
    647 Black 245.4
    660 Blue 253.4
    624 Violet 256.4
    695 Clear 512.9


    This is a PPG formula for the DBC 2000 base line of paints, which I think is much better.( I must say I was pretty close on guessing the formula )

    649 Clear 83.4
    1690 Crs. Alum. 303.6
    1687 Med. Alum. 400.4
    1683 Black 483.8
    DX 685 flat 497.2
    1607 Blue 502.8

    These mixing formulas will make 1 pint which should be enough to do one bumper. These are Cumulative amounts. Your clear should have the proper amount of flat agent in it depending on your taste. I don't see any need for a flex agent, but again its up to you."
    Last edited by Ron; 06-10-2011 at 10:07 PM.

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    Alex,

    Yes..it is the darker, depending on the light as you can see...

    This is the PPG formula for the DBC 2000, first three are right out of the booth:

    On my monitor, This (1st) one represents the way the light plays with it the best (others seem a bit darker than it is to me...)

    IMGP4872.jpg

    IMGP4875.jpg

    IMGP4891.jpg

    IMGP5261.jpg

    IMGP5266.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    Alex,

    Yes..it is the darker, depending on the light as you can see...

    This is the PPG formula for the DBC 2000, first three are right out of the booth:

    On my monitor, This (1st) one represents the way the light plays with it the best (others seem a bit darker than it is to me...)

    IMGP4872.jpg

    IMGP4875.jpg

    IMGP4891.jpg

    IMGP5261.jpg

    IMGP5266.jpg

    Excellent...thanks for the pics, Ron. That first pic is exactly what I'm looking for. As far as gloss goes, does that code give a higher gloss or is that just reflection from the picture? I believe the original factory finish was more on the matte side than high gloss. Pic 4 looks like what I'm looking for in terms of matte but the others look like they might have more gloss to them. I might have to add some matte to the clear to my taste. Not that yours don't look great!

    Alex
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    The gloss is determined by how you mix the clear (base coats-clear coats). It's a bit glossier than I like it but that will change (shortly) over time of coarse. I can get you the mix ( it's written down somewhere ;-) for the clear used if you want and you can go from there?

    There is very little glare above the tail lights on top of the fascia (look at the angle of the shadows). To me, low, bright evening sun makes it look just like the stainless (sorry no pics).

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    Here ya go.
    This should show you what I mean about the light when comparing to the other pics...I love it.
    Dang near looks black in the pic (It really don't get that dark tho).


    IMGP4882.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ron View Post
    Here ya go.
    This should show you what I mean about the light when comparing to the other pics...I love it.
    Dang near looks black in the pic (It really don't get that dark tho).


    IMGP4882.jpg

    Looks awesome, Ron. I'll take you up on that offer. If you're able to find the mix for the clear and send it my way, that'd be great. Thanks again.

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    My Front Fasia is all it bent in the front looks like it is warping a little. Can that be sanded down, bonded or anything its no bendend that much just a little?

    Screen Shot 2012-09-30 at 6.41.26 PM.jpg

    As you can see its a little bent over the lights an also right above the DMC logo it looks like its bend down a little

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    No the material under the paint is too thin (and don't sand well anyway).

    Check out this thread http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?77...ascia-Attached

    Search for "eyebrows" too.

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    Ron,

    Were you able to locate the mix code on the paint so I can adjust the gloss? Thanks again for the help!

    Alex
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadeeky View Post
    My Front Fasia is all it bent in the front looks like it is warping a little. Can that be sanded down, bonded or anything its no bendend that much just a little?

    Screen Shot 2012-09-30 at 6.41.26 PM.jpg

    As you can see its a little bent over the lights an also right above the DMC logo it looks like its bend down a little
    For what it's worth, my car has that little dip over the DMC logo too... I always wondered if that was a production mistake or a mold change as the rest of my fascia is dead perfect.

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