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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonathan View Post
    I'll have to double check on the diode. There definitely appears to be one just beyond the two wires the branch off to the reservoir switch and it looks to be wrapped up with another section of wiring harness. I thought that was what the black rectangle on the main diagram was showing?
    I wonder what that black rectangle represents also. I never really gave it much thought. I would have guessed it to indicate a connector but I don't know if that's always true.
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    Those black rectangles are all over the schematic, for example near the wing mirror motors:ImageUploadedByTapatalk1405848079.636105.jpg
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    Some quick research shows that apparently there are international Schematic Symbols, and then US Schematic symbols as well. I had no idea, and feel pretty ignorant now. So apparently an empty box is the international symbol for a Resistor, and a filled box as we see here is an Inductor.



    https://learn.sparkfun.com/tutorials...-schematic/all

    Perhaps these are integrated into the wiring harnesses to block RF noise from electrical motors and other sources from feeding backwards through the electrical system?
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    the only inline devices in the car are caps and diodes. No inductors.

    I believe those are connections. Like for example where wires pass thru the bulkhead into the engine bay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh View Post
    I believe those are connections. Like for example where wires pass thru the bulkhead into the engine bay.
    I think it's a yes and no situation here. Yes, I now believe that my previous assumption was wrong, and that your's that these are connectors is correct. However, they're not bulkhead connectors. Those are separate and not listed. Let me explain.

    It looks as though Lotus has had an evolution of sorts when it comes to drafting schematics from the Europa through the Esprit diagrams that I looked at. Absolutely fascinating stuff in terms of Lotus' thought process. The schematic is divided into 3 sections that physically represent the car. Left side of the page represents the front of the car, right side is the rear, center is the passenger cabin. The front and rear bulkheads are the dividing lines. Lotus would make a mark to show *where* the bulkheads would be in relation to the harnesses, and from there you would simply draw down an imaginary, vertical line. That line also represents the division of the harnesses into their 3 main sections. Example.

    This leaves us with 3 main sections represented by the harnesses of the same name accordingly: Front | Main | Rear

    Within the division of the 3 sections the diagram does NOT show the Connectors on these 3 harnesses where they pass through the bulkheads and connect to one another. It is assumed that there is an understanding that they in fact are there.

    Now, *within* those 3 sections, there can be separate sub-harnesses. Ie. an Engine Wiring Harness. Since these harnesses do NOT plug into/pass through the bulkheads, they have separate connectors that are represented by these rectangular boxes. Again, this great insight into Lotus' drafting process and why the Workshop Manual appears as it does: Lotus had their own thought process which they just assumed everyone was already aware of. So, if you have a separate sub-harness/circuit such as the ignition system or the audio system within a certain area, it is completely separate of the Local Harnesses, and its individual connectors are actually portrayed by these black rectangles. Example 2.

    So if you compare the Schematic to the mini wiring harness that is hardwired into the back of the window switch, it makes perfect sense!


    Again, these are two separate sub-harnesses interconnecting so there is a representation of a connector on the schematic. However for items such as the Frequency Valve, Relay Sockets, Switches, & Diodes, those connectors/sockets only interface with the specific modules/components and not other harnesses, so there is no representation of a connector, as it is assumed the viewer already understands that they are removable.

    The confusion is exacerbated with DeLorean because it has 4 main harness sections instead of 3. This is why it's so cluttered and damn confusing.

    Lotus Esprit (any other car)
    Front | Main | Rear

    DeLorean DMC-12
    Front | Main Roof | Rear

    And to further this, Lotus never having to deal with a 3-Dimentional schematic for a car before chopped up the Roof Harness into several sub-harnesses within the Passenger Cabin.

    If you can understand all of that, then you have a greater understanding of the wiring harnesses. If we ever had a community effort to finally clarify the harness, the best thing that we could do would be to highlight the 4 main harness sections with colored bubbles/fields, give the 4 harnesses their own individuals pages, and then refer back to the Workshop Manual's simplistic schematics for the sub-harnesses. In order to show the Bulkhead connectors on the 4 Harnesses, we would need to either completely rearrange the entire schematic, or we'd have to include a new symbol to differentiate these connectors from the others.
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    I for one am very happy with the community work on the schematics so far, like the simplicated schematics, and the full color diagram. It makes life much easier compared to the original diagram, on which it is hard to trace a single line. So: thanks to all people involved.
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    If you're replacing part of a circuit because one of the wires is damaged, you may find that you need a wire with insulation of a color or color combination that is not available in the U.S.

    If you're like me, you may have a good idea in your head of what AWG you want, but that information isn't given on non-U.S. websites. When I was looking up wire from companies outside the U.S., I found myself wondering at the different ways wire size was given. Some had dimensions in cross-section and some in outer diameter, always in mm˛.

    Using information I found on the Internet, I made this chart for my own easy reference, to convert between AWG, cross-section in mm˛, and diameter in mm˛. I am posting it here in case it may also come in handy for anyone else.

    AWG-Metric-Wire-Size-Chart.pdf
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    On the topic of wiring thicknrss, please note that (at least in Europe) the so called Thin Wall wiring has become standard. As the isolation is a different material, it can be thinner and therefore the wire is more flexible and easier to work with. Please correct me if i'm wrong.. here's the source on the topic: http://www.autosparks.co.uk/index.php?content_page=52 and here: http://www.rdae.nl/draad-en-kabel/en...d-info-pagina/ (dutch)
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    Insulation is available in two ratings for the most part. 600 volt or 300 volt. So it's not really the voltage rating for our cars but the thicker insulation can protect the wire more if there is abrasive action.

    Some speaker wire I've seen 50 volt rated.

    If you can get the circular mill value of the wire that will let you reference it to wire size (AWG). It also lets you know what two wires of one size would equal in another size.

    example:
    16 AWG has 2580 cmil, so two 16 AWG has 5160 cmil
    13 AWG has 5180 cmil so two 16 AWG is better than 14 AWG but less than 12 AWG
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    Kind of along the lines of this thread.

    Here's the wiring diagram for swapping over from the OEM power mirror switch to the new GM-style switch. It'll take you five minutes with this diagram.

    New Power Mirror Switch Wiring.jpg

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