The USS Enterprise....

[Michael]

As someone who has not one but 2 lighted model Enterprises in his office as well as a Millennuim Falcon....this is just too nerdy for me.

[thirdmanj]

As someone who has not one but 2 lighted model Enterprises in his office as well as a Millennuim Falcon....this is just too nerdy for me.

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[Nicholas R]

I was quoting Scotty - Data grabs the real stuff immediately after Scotty makes that remark, which is in response to Data's clarification to why Scotty hates what he was served (Laddie I was drinking scotch a hundred years before you were born and whatever this is ain't scotch).



From memory Data stutters the line as - "it is... it is... it is green", which I recall Scotty making a similar remark in the original series so obviously a joke reference

That said, while Relics is one of my favourites it also shits me. The Enterprise becomes trapped inside the Dyson sphere and barely pulls itself into orbit of the enclosed sun because its systems were overloaded by the tractor beam, putting the crew and ship in grave danger because they cannot get any further away from the sun, yet:

1. When Geordi and Scotty wedge the Jenolan in the way of the hatch the Enterprise is immediately able to fly over to it - so pretending systems were restored by this point why didn't Picard already move them away from the sun? Frustrated me they set up such a major plot element and then completely forget about it.
2. They need to destroy the Jenolan for the Enterprise to get through the hatch, even though you can clearly see the shields are not extended over the entire hatch opening and the Enterprise could have fit through
3. The Enterprise beams Geordi and Scotty off the Jenolan while its shields are UP!!!
4. The transporter effect onboard the Jenolan was from the original series, which was a nice touch but flawed because the Jenolan was fitted with Undiscovered Country era technology (not LCARS but clearly an evolution toward it, so should have had Undiscovered Country era transporter effect).

We do know #3 is theoretically possible, O'Brien was able to do it to get onboard the Pheonix in The Wounded when Maxwell wouldn't drop their shields, but O'Brien was a transporter legend AND he personally knew how to specifically put the effort in to achieve that... given O'Brien is chief engineer of DS9 at the time I have to pretend he programmed his theory into the transporter system for them to have so easily done this.

My apologies for doubting you, and let me just say that I am impressed.

Does anyone remember when Andrew Probert gave his talk about his work on STTNG at the 2010 DCS? Man I wish he would give that presentation again.

[dmc6960]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned yet the HUGE loophole this episode setup the series for with the movie Generations.

After Scotty is rematerialized on the Jenolan, his first though is that "Captain Kirk himself probably led the rescue party" (quote from memory as well, could be a little bit off).

Years later in the movie, Generations, Scotty is present for the death of Captain Kirk onboard the new Enterprise B, which would of had to had taken place before his marooning on the Jenolan.


Sidetracking (or sidetrekking?) a bit, does anybody else really like the background music for the episode "Booby Trap"? Better yet, anyone have high-def recordings of the music?

[Tillsy]

I'm surprised nobody mentioned yet the HUGE loophole this episode setup the series for with the movie Generations.

Oh god don't get me stated, Generations IS a fault - what a disaster of a movie...

Data decides he wants to try his emotion chip AGAIN. Okay no worries let's go get it - err, why is it now like 10 times the size it was a few years ago?!?

Let's kill off Picard's brother and nephew he had touchingly reunited with back in The Family purely to get Picard upset. Seriously?

Soran wipes out entire worlds to make the Nexus come to him because you can't fly into it with a ship as the ship would be destroyed - why would he care about the ship, as long as he ends up in the Nexus? And of course, the entire reason he knows about being in the Nexus is that is exactly HOW he got into it in the first place.

Picard beams down to Veridian 3 in a prisoner exchange with Geordi. One would think this was via the Klingon ship, but Picard rematerialises on Veridian 3 with a federation transporter effect not Klingon. Okay so he went direct - so why does he no longer have his communicator on? FFS...

The Klingon's fit a transmitter to Geordi's VISOR and see perfect video (well other than dropouts here and there), but we know from TNG that the VISOR does not see video it sees an insane amount of spectrum which we saw once when a transmitter was fitted previously.

The Klingon's see the Enterprise's shield modulation and fire through it - ugggghhhh, the Borg did that four years prior and the crew very quickly realised to change their modulation. PLUS, it became standard issue for starships to be retrofitted with shields that constantly change modulation. But let's pretend all that failed, AND the crew just didn't think to change it when Worf says "the Klingons have found a way to penetrate our shields". Yeah no worries Riker, let's just order a move out of orbit that you'll continue to be shot up during.

For that matter, when they set up their means to destroy the Klingon ship Riker orders Worf to fire torpedos the "instant they begin to cloak". But when the ship starts to cloak there is that pause as we look at all the actors standing there dumb, then Riker has to order "fire" because Worf didn't do a thing but stand there looking at the view screen as well.

And of course they do get damaged and are about to have a warp core breach - so hey, why bother ejecting the warp core let's just evacuate to the saucer section and try and fly away from a reactor explosion at impulse... so of course that doesn't work and both halves end up destroyed in the process. No friggen worries., bye bye almighty galaxy class Enterprise D

Don't get me started on the constantly switching uniforms - one minute TNG era uniforms the next they were DS9/VOY uniforms the next back to TNG?!

Yep, Kirk dies WITH Scotty onboard to fully be aware of and thus creating a conflict with Relics written two years earlier!

Not worth wasting further time on that movie...

[thirdmanj]

And doesn't it bug you how the Klingon bird if prey explosion was the exact same one they used in Star Trek VI?! Yeah I agree, that movie was a complete abortion. Perhaps even worse than V. Word to wise, never let Shatner get creative. (mad cow disease)

Edit: Tillsy is my match in Nerdvana.

[dmc6960]

Hmm, with that kind of knit-picking its hard to imagine you enjoying any movie.

I for one enjoyed Generations as my favorite TNG movie. Sometimes you just gotta relax and enjoy the big picture, not all the little ones.

[dmc6960]

And doesn't it bug you how the Klingon bird if prey explosion was the exact same one they used in Star Trek VI?!

Yes, I definately do agree with this.

[thirdmanj]

Hmm, with that kind of knit-picking its hard to imagine you enjoying any movie.

I for one enjoyed Generations as my favorite TNG movie. Sometimes you just gotta relax and enjoy the big picture, not all the little ones.

He's not really nit picking. That thing with Scotty on the Enterprise B is a HUGE plot hole. You can let a few things go sure but too many glaring potholes and you lose the suspension of disbelief of it all.

[Dangermouse]

Mental note : stop clicking on this thread, Dermot! Nothing to see here......