Amsteer Lower ball joints.

[A Van]

We spec'd grease nipples when the balljoints were made, you can have them made without...but seems pretty pointless to do that.

As your not VAT registered Martin, nor have you ever have been my knowledge of the UK VAT system is far deeper than yours.

Maybe my wording "deal" was wrong, to export net of VAT requires paperwork and an accountant who knows what they are doing as its more complex system than it appears, as Amsteer are a small family business it wouldn't be as straightforward as it seems.

[DCUK Martin]

Alistair, I'm still staggered by your fascination with making anything you say to me a personal attack.

I have no appetite for a confrontation with you over something so blatantly obvious from 5 minutes googling (checking what I already knew anyway).

[A Van]

We can all google anything Martin but in practice it's different than in theory,speaking from experience with the rules and the seller.
I have no interest in a confrontation either, just pointing out my post wasn't 'rubbish'.

[chris williams]

Yes they come as shown in the photo, I'm sure if over time you need to renew the boot then they would supply them. The origionals never had a grease fitting (as far I am aware) so these have not, most of this type of item (Tie Rod/Track Rod) produced now, as I'm sure your aware does not have a grease nipple fitted anyway. Sealed for life I guess they call it!

Just to clarify to David T as they may have been some confusion. The track rod ends(tie rod) are not supplied with grease niples fitted however the Ball joints are. Apologies for any confusion caused. As can be seen in this auction: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...m=200888194114 or direct from Amsteer as per this thread: http://www.deloreans.co.uk/forum/vie...hp?f=20&t=4353
Again apologies for any confusion caused.
Chris

[DCUK Martin]

I apologise in advance to those for whom this has no relevance.

We can all google anything Martin but in practice it's different than in theory,speaking from experience with the rules and the seller.

The rules are there to be read, and they're pretty darned clear on the subject.

VAT is a tax charged on goods used in the EU, so if goods are exported outside the EU, VAT isn't charged. You can zero-rate the sale, provided you get and keep evidence of the export, and comply with all other laws.

http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/...ts/goods.htm#6

This isn't some intricate complex tax fiddle, it has its roots in test-book macro economics (something I am qualified to talk about - if a bit rusty!).

It turns out you are correct to some level - there is one simple single page form which must be filled out once and can even be emailed in with no charge. This is a formality for any UK manufacturer to obtain an "EORI" code.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...yType=document

Other than gaining this code, and in addition to standard accounting practice, they must simply keep proof of export - and my experience of this is that they must keep a record of the shipment - eg FedEx receipt.

Seems a complete no-brainer that no tax man would even raise an eyebrow at a UK manufacturer of auto components exporting a component specifically made for a car which predominantly exists in North America.

[A Van]

My father is a retired HMRC employee with over 35 years service, I know the rules and have used them in my business dealings with a company in California, but when you get old fashioned companies who aren't used to exporting it becomes a different ballgame, that's the point I was trying to make.

[easy now]

I apologise in advance to those for whom this has no relevance.



The rules are there to be read, and they're pretty darned clear on the subject.



http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/vat/managing/...ts/goods.htm#6

This isn't some intricate complex tax fiddle, it has its roots in test-book macro economics (something I am qualified to talk about - if a bit rusty!).

It turns out you are correct to some level - there is one simple single page form which must be filled out once and can even be emailed in with no charge. This is a formality for any UK manufacturer to obtain an "EORI" code.

http://customs.hmrc.gov.uk/channelsP...yType=document

Other than gaining this code, and in addition to standard accounting practice, they must simply keep proof of export - and my experience of this is that they must keep a record of the shipment - eg FedEx receipt.

Seems a complete no-brainer that no tax man would even raise an eyebrow at a UK manufacturer of auto components exporting a component specifically made for a car which predominantly exists in North America.

you really are a bawlwash

[easy now]

Sales tax (VAT) in the UK is 20% - if you check Chris' link above, the price is £55/pair incl vat. If you, as a company outside the EU, buy direct from a supplier who is VAT registered (I'd be amazed if Amsteer isn't), you shouldn't have to pay VAT because they'll book it out as a trade export. The price therefore will be closer to £46/pair not including any quantity discount

your ball joints are crap, no engineering to back them up, they are awful, if they fit, it's purely by accident

[DCUK Martin]

you really are a bawlwash

I'll take your word for it.

your ball joints are crap, no engineering to back them up, they are awful, if they fit, it's purely by accident

Er... I don't make ball joints.

I do fit the Amsteer ones though, as do all the main vendors now I believe.

[chris williams]

your ball joints are crap, no engineering to back them up, they are awful

For the benefit of the DeLorean community who are using a lot of these Ball Joints supplied by Amsteer in the UK, could you clarify why you think they are crap? Have you had one fail on you? I'm sure all the owners running these would be interested to know for safety's sake. Thanks
Chris