opinion wanted

[PeterBiggerstaff]

Thanks for the feedback guys, the more I looked into this, the more things wern't adding up.. If I was selling my car there is no way I'd ship it somewhere for free, and expect the new owner to pay AFTER he receives it.

the fact he doesn't want me to arrange shipping and use escrow worried me too, so based on that, the fact he still hasn't send me any of the documentation I asked for and the opinions from you guys, I think I'll carry on watching cragslist for a project car in my budget where I can arrange the shipping and escrow myself.

Thanks again for taking the time to look at this.

[john 05141]

Sounds weird to me too, but plenty of guys here on the forum that will gladly go check it out for you.
Depends where in Holland, I live South of the Nehterlands and if not to far I can help you out.

I'd be very very carfeul.

Jan

[Dangermouse]

It's a scam Peter.

The DMCTalk forum member from San Franscisco CA had it listed on ebay last year and that where the photos are from.

The latest owners Directory has it located south of Los Angeles, presumably with the new owner.

Of course it is possible that it has since moved to Holland, but unlikely. $13k is way too cheap as you can see it sold for $24k.


I replied to an ad once for a car with pictures that looked like they were in an Atlanta suburb, but surprise, surprise, when I asked to see it, the car was suddenly in Spain, but the buyer was fine shipping it to me and if I didn't like it, I wouldn't have to pay. (Now, honestly, what owner would take on such a cost?).

"Luckily" I was to be in Spain the following week and offered to test drive it, but, again, suddenly, it was already in a container at the docks and couldn't be taken out - sorry. One lie after another, it was quite entertaining. Eventually he got pissed off at me "wasting his time" LOL.

You should definitely offer that you will have someone go view the car and see what he says (and report back of course)

[robvanderveer]

hey it's not even a Dutch license plate, and every bit of it of that curb picture shouts non-Dutch.

[Flicky]

Well, the car had emissions done in CA on Oct-7-2013. The guy is just telling you things to keep you interested. He will ask for money eventually with some idiotic story. He might ask for $1,000 so he can put tires on it. His job is to find a way to get you to send him money, that is all he lives for. With 75% of the world effectively making less than $5,000US a year, with growing availability of free internet, and a birth rate 3 times higher than their self-sufficient counterparts; it is just a matter of time.

Here is the Carfax history:
Date: Mileage: Source: Comments:
02/22/1994 17,461 California
Inspection Station
Belmont, CA
Failed emissions inspection
01/26/1996 17,958 California
Inspection Station
Belmont, CA
Failed emissions inspection
03/06/1998 18,293 California
Inspection Station
Belmont, CA
Passed emissions inspection
02/17/2000 18,308 Service Facility
Belmont, CA
Vehicle serviced
02/17/2000 California
Inspection Station
Belmont, CA
Passed emissions inspection
03/03/2000 California
Motor Vehicle Dept.
Millbrae, CA
Title issued or updated
04/04/2002 18,337 Service Facility
San Francisco, CA
Vehicle serviced
04/04/2002 California
Inspection Station
San Francisco, CA
Passed emissions inspection
01/23/2004 18,354 California
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection
01/24/2006 18,370 California
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection
03/12/2008 18,509 California
Inspection Station
Passed emissions inspection
03/11/2010 22,087 California
Inspection Station
Millbrae, CA
Passed emissions inspection
03/09/2012 22,827 California
Inspection Station
Millbrae, CA
Passed emissions inspection
01/11/2013 23,014 Hanlon Tire
San Bruno, CA
650-952-3521
Tire(s) balanced
10/07/2013 23,692 California
Inspection Station
Millbrae, CA
Passed emissions inspection

[PeterBiggerstaff]

Thanks Guys, I was 80% leaning to the 'sounds like a scam' side of things.. but after hearing what you said I'm giving this one a wide birth.

Back to cragslist!

[Flash66]

He can't afford to insure it but he will ship it at his own expense and sell it below market value. Does anything about this deal make sense? Let's see how this works. You send him cash. Now what happens? My bet is the car is never shipped anywhere so of course he will say he will have it shipped back at his own expense. That is the "hook" to get you to send the money. You are right in trying to have the money held by a third party until you are satisfied. The only safe way is to go get the car, pay cash and then have it shipped yourself. If he is that willing to pay to have it shipped back he should deduct the cost of shipping 1 way from the purchase price. Tell him that and see what happens. My bet is he will find some stupid reason you can't come and buy the car and then have it shipped. No way can you let a seller have your money AND the car.

+1

[Nicholas R]

This is the most ridiculous scam ever. Just mess with him until you get bored, then ignore him. I've done it many times with scammers.

[sapphirexae]

Don't walk, RUN away from this. It has scam all over it.

[MartyP]

Like the others said !

SCAM !