Toby Tabs: New in package, ebay auction.

[funkstuf]

I've placed my NEW, UNUSED Toby Tabs on an e-bay auction for anyone interested in a RARE Delorean product.
These are in the original package with all original parts. The Bolts have never been out of the blue sheaths.
Search for Item # 251918844545
Bidding Starts at $675.00

[Flash66]

$675.00!?! You can't be serious! I couldn't see myself looking at a couple of bolts and feeling good about it afterwards. Made of unobtainium? Good luck partner.

[funkstuf]

$675.00!?! You can't be serious! I couldn't see myself looking at a couple of bolts and feeling good about it afterwards. Made of unobtainium? Good luck partner.

True, I guess based on the last set that sold on e-bay, mine are priced a bit low.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/261282597818

but based on this auction they were about right.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Delorean-Toby-TABs-Trailing-Arm-Bolts-/300994849819?pt=Vintage_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessorie s&hash=item4614b0ec1b&vxp=mtr

Then again, those auctions were a couple of years ago when the economy was down.

[Chris 16409]

Dave at DMC-MW now sells Toby Tab equivelents for under $150.

[Nicholas R]

Dave at DMC-MW now sells Toby Tab equivalents for under $150.

Yup^

The times of ridiculous trailing arm bolt auctions are over. Sorry, that ship has sailed...

[ccurzio]

Bidding starting at $675 == greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it's greed from someone who isn't at all active in this community.

[funkstuf]

Bidding starting at $675 == greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it's greed from someone who isn't at all active in this community.

Not Greed at all, just saw that DMC had unloaded a pair for over $900 and a couple other guys did for around $700, so I figured if someone wanted mine for that kind of price they could have them. Otherwise I'll use them on one of my Deloreans. BTW, I'm quite active in the PNDC club and an officer, just not on DMCTalk.org much.
Nice to see that Midwest Delorean is selling a Trailing Arm Bolt. I haven't seen the spec sheet on it but will be interested to check it out. I think the Toby-Tab excitement has more to do with the rarity as shown when the DMC museum "released" a pair for that high price.

Dale - Vin 941, 1176, 4984

[funkstuf]

Yup^

The times of ridiculous trailing arm bolt auctions are over. Sorry, that ship has sailed...

Did I read the forum rules correctly?

3. A person may sell their item for whatever price they want. Please do not make any comments about their asking price being too high. If no one buys it, the seller can lower their price.

8. Members: STOP posting remarks like "free bump,good guy or good item”. If you are NOT going to purchase the items listed. Remarks like "you can get it cheaper at so and so place" are NOT allowed.
Again, do not post a question or remark if you do not intend to buy the item.

[funkstuf]

Bidding starting at $675 == greed. Nothing more, nothing less.

And it's greed from someone who isn't at all active in this community.

Did I read the rules right? Seems like you guys are spamming me. I guess if not interested, just not commenting is easiest. Nobody said you had to buy them.

*****
3. A person may sell their item for whatever price they want. Please do not make any comments about their asking price being too high. If no one buys it, the seller can lower their price.

8. Members: STOP posting remarks like "free bump,good guy or good item”. If you are NOT going to purchase the items listed. Remarks like "you can get it cheaper at so and so place" are NOT allowed.
Again, do not post a question or remark if you do not intend to buy the item.

[ccurzio]

Did I read the rules right?

Obviously not:


4. Persons wishing to sell items on DMCTalk.org MUST have a minimum of 20 posts

Rules aren't a la carte. You walk into our community trying to take advantage of people and then quote rules back to us, expect to be shit on.

[funkstuf]

Obviously not:



Rules aren't a la carte. You walk into our community trying to take advantage of people and then quote rules back to us, expect to be shit on.

Hmmm. I think we're all big boys here, but maybe not, and really doubt that anyone believes I expect to take advantage of you or anyone else.... but if you feel someone, "me" is trying to take advantage of anyone here, I sincerely apologize for making you feel that way. Good point on the rules, with your help, I'll reach 20 posts. In the mean-time: "Shit Away".... I won't take it personally, but I'll take my dumps in the restroom and not make it personal.

[sdg3205]

Chris, chill out.

To reiterate what he said, Dale is a long time owner and member of the PNDC. He's an events director with one the oldest DMC clubs in existence. He's a great guy and I've had the pleasure of participating in a number of events with him. He's not greedy, nor does he deserve to be "shit on."

As you know, there's more to this DMC life that just DMCTalk. The rules we're forgotten by both parties here. Dale is being polite, you're not.

The TABs are his, he can ask whatever he wants. No one has to buy them, but for the record, parts we devalue here in North America are often invaluable or highly sought overseas in any number of places.

[ccurzio]

He's not greedy, nor does he deserve to be "shit on."

Someone who smugly quotes rules while breaking the same rules probably does. Up until that happened, I'd have agreed with you on the last point, but seeing as how this thread broke rules from the get-go, it wasn't ever a legitimate "for sale" post to begin with.

And sorry, charging $700 for a pair of bolts is straight-up greedy no matter how you slice it. He could be a really nice guy, and probably is. Doesn't change one bit what's happening here, especially by trying to justify the massively inflated price by calling it a "museum piece" that I maybe can't afford to put on my shelf. (You obviously missed that edit of his. Not as polite as you think, FYI.) I had an original DMC Craig radio that I could have sold for a fair chunk of cash, but instead I gave it away to a fellow forum member. Because I like this community.

But you're right. They're his, and he's free to charge whatever he wants. And people should also be free to buy the equivalents from DMCMW and support people who AREN'T trying to shaft their customers.

[Josh]

Chris, chill out.

To reiterate what he said, Dale is a long time owner and member of the PNDC. He's an events director with one the oldest DMC clubs in existence. He's a great guy and I've had the pleasure of participating in a number of events with him. He's not greedy, nor does he deserve to be "shit on."

As you know, there's more to this DMC life that just DMCTalk. The rules we're forgotten by both parties here. Dale is being polite, you're not.

The TABs are his, he can ask whatever he wants. No one has to buy them, but for the record, parts we devalue here in North America are often invaluable or highly sought overseas in any number of places.

Well put!

[Josh]

Someone who smugly quotes rules while breaking the same rules probably does. Up until that happened, I'd have agreed with you on the last point, but seeing as how this thread broke rules from the get-go, it wasn't ever a legitimate "for sale" post to begin with.

Everything you say has a smug tone to it to say the least. Quit harassing this guy.

[funkstuf]

Someone who smugly quotes rules while breaking the same rules probably does. Up until that happened, I'd have agreed with you on the last point, but seeing as how this thread broke rules from the get-go, it wasn't ever a legitimate "for sale" post to begin with.

And sorry, charging $700 for a pair of bolts is straight-up greedy no matter how you slice it. He could be a really nice guy, and probably is. Doesn't change one bit what's happening here, especially by trying to justify the massively inflated price by calling it a "museum piece" that I maybe can't afford to put on my shelf. (You obviously missed that edit of his. Not as polite as you think, FYI.) I had an original DMC Craig radio that I could have sold for a fair chunk of cash, but instead I gave it away to a fellow forum member. Because I like this community.

But you're right. They're his, and he's free to charge whatever he wants. And people should also be free to buy the equivalents from DMCMW and support people who AREN'T trying to shaft their customers.

The museum piece thought didn't come from me it came from a DMCtalk post by DMC museum on 9/10/2013 where I quote from that post: "The Museum is pleased to offer this extremely rare set of Toby TABs" They proceeded to sell a pair for over $900 and referred in that post to a pair that sold for over $700 in another ebay auction. Not necessarily my opinion, but I'll leave it to the experts and the auctions to define what's "rare" and the value of the product. I don't take it at all personally that you don't see that value in them, or that you don't want to pay that much for them, or that you don't want them on your shelf, etc. etc. The fact that they sold for over $900 in one auction and over $700 in another is not my fault... really... it's not my fault.... That being said, I'm certainly sorry if you or anyone else feels that I personally was trying to over-inflate the value because I'm not. It wasn't me that gave them that value, it was the auctions and what they sold for. It's not my fault.... However, if you really feel the need to blame it all on me, or if you just feel better blaming me, I understand, .... I'm ok with it. That's about as polite as I can say it...

[mluder]

:popcorn:

Cheers
Steven

[Jeffu]

Everything you say has a smug tone to it to say the least. Quit harassing this guy.

Chris, you absolutely know nothing about this man nor anything about his character! I have known Dale for nearly 20 years and he is a close friend. In fact it was he that got me to appreciate these fine cars and get into this hobby. It has nothing to do about greed or trying to scam anyone on this forum and that's a fact! I was the one that told him about the prior sales and ridiculous prices that have been paid for those TABs and I told him to post those on Ebay! So....if you "want to" or "feel the need" to get pissed at anyone you should probably direct it to me. Granted, he may not frequent this site that often but you have no idea how busy this guy is and everything he is involved with.

Even if someone on Ebay pays that price or higher, his intent is to turn around and spend that money on more parts. What does that do??? It will ultimately benefit the vendors! I can tell you the vendors will love Ole' Dale over the next few months because he taking one of his DeLoreans (Yes, one of the 3 that he owns) that caught fire and is completely restoring it. I say at a minimum at least back off on your unwarranted and ridiculous replies.

[dn010]

Maybe not everyone is aware of how much these damn bolts have sold for over the past few years. I for one have not seen them sell for any cheap price whatsoever, and that is when they actually do surface for sale somewhere. I'll be honest, I wasn't shocked at all with the asking price...

[funkstuf]

Maybe not everyone is aware of how much these damn bolts have sold for over the past few years. I for one have not seen them sell for any cheap price whatsoever, and that is when they actually do surface for sale somewhere. I'll be honest, I wasn't shocked at all with the asking price...

Good point, Let's cut Accipiter (Chris) some slack. He's obviously not that familiar with the Toby Tabs and their selling history, and he rightly pointed out that I didn't have 20 posts here. Will mine sell for as much as the others? Maybe not, and that's ok too. If not, I'll keep them in my own little Delorean museum. I'm a collector, not a vendor anyway, just thought the price they've been bringing was quite interesting. I kind of like having my unopened package of Toby Tabs on my shelf.

[abarringer1]

This whole thread is a prime example as to why I don't participate much in discussions or try to sell much of anything. Grownups acting like immature children. Sad. Instead of posting how ridiculous something is just keep your fingers tied and move on. If someone is willing to buy something at what you may consider a ridiculous price, let them. It happens every day. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, afterall. I feel bad that a person who's apparently a major member in the DeLorean community is being ripped by members in the same community. Now, if he was a Honda guy trying to take advantage of us DeLorean owners, I'd say 'open fire!" LOL!

I'm sorry if this posts upsets any of you but seriously, there's no need for this kind of bickering. Lets be constructive if we do have to set someone straight.

That's all I have to say and I'm out of this discussion.
Have a nice day, everyone!

[Rich_NYS]

The dude has 3 DeLoreans, sure doesn't seem to me like he isn't active in the community.

Dale, you're invited to view my profile for my latest started threads and comment on each....that should get you up to a 20 post minimum, bro.

[funkstuf]

This whole thread is a prime example as to why I don't participate much in discussions or try to sell much of anything. Grownups acting like immature children. Sad. Instead of posting how ridiculous something is just keep your fingers tied and move on. If someone is willing to buy something at what you may consider a ridiculous price, let them. It happens every day. An item is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it, afterall. I feel bad that a person who's apparently a major member in the DeLorean community is being ripped by members in the same community. Now, if he was a Honda guy trying to take advantage of us DeLorean owners, I'd say 'open fire!" LOL!

I'm sorry if this posts upsets any of you but seriously, there's no need for this kind of bickering. Lets be constructive if we do have to set someone straight.

That's all I have to say and I'm out of this discussion.
Have a nice day, everyone!

What the heck, it was all in good fun. I've been a member here for a few years, just haven't had much time to post until now. We all love our Deloreans either way.

[funkstuf]

The dude has 3 DeLoreans, sure doesn't seem to me like he isn't active in the community.

Dale, you're invited to view my profile for my latest started threads and comment on each....that should get you up to a 20 post minimum, bro.

Thanks, I'll check it out..

[refugeefromcalif]

One thing about the two auctions that Dale posted for a reference, is that they both started at or under $1, not $675.

I couldn't guess how many people bid just to Inflate the price but, both winners Did pay their Win price.
(I know I did, I was one of them)... :lol:

George

[funkstuf]

One thing about the two auctions that Dale posted for a reference, is that they both started at or under $1, not $675.

I couldn't guess how many people bid just to Inflate the price but, both winners Did pay their Win price.
(I know I did, I was one of them)... :lol:

George

For what it's worth. I replaced my original TABs on 941 with Toby Tabs in 2007. The originals were clearly bent, so I can vouch for the fact that they can be a weak point. I did not start my auction at $1.00 because I don't intend to sell them unless someone else finds serious value in them and it costs extra to place any reserve on them in the auction. There was also another auction for this item after the DMC Museum auction and the TABS sold for nearly $700 bucks. I can also vouch for the fact that the Toby TABS have been quite durable and I've never heard of a failure, and we can't say that for the OEM Tabs. I suggest a look at the engineering spec sheet for doubters.
Here's the DMCtalk link showing the specs, among other things.

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?8020-Toby-TABs&highlight=toby+tabs

In any case, perhaps I'll add them to 1176, it's a pretty sweet Delorean as JeffU can attest to.

[refugeefromcalif]

There was also another auction for this item after the DMC Museum auction and the TABS sold for nearly $700 bucks.

I was the winner of that auction at $661.01.
(This was before the DMCMW TAB's were available). :bawling:
I'm not saying that the Toby TAB's are a bad thing/investment. I've yet to install mine on my car though.

George

MODS, Can this discussion be split into a New thread?

[Shep]

For what it's worth, if my TAB's ever break on me, I'd seriously consider buying them from this guy. As they say, "first editions are always better" (different context, but that's my mindset. On these anyways.)

I honestly cannot believe that a "for sale" ad turned into a nightmare debacle in under one page! Seriously guys, that was horrifically uncalled for. What kind of mob mentality of "he broke the rules, thus I can too" is this exactly? Especially, especially from someone who used to be an admin here. Two wrongs don't make a right. Three lefts do however. Now all of you involved take a breather while you make those three lefts and take the long way home. :smackbum:

[Mark D]

Wow, I can't believe the downward spiral this thread took. Stay classy DMCTalk

[jamesrguk]

The original Toby TABs were quite special, heat treated Inconel 718 IIRC with rolled threads, I'd be surprised if this really is what is now being offered elsewhere, partly because it was complete overkill in terms of required strength.

And if they aren't identical then we're not really comparing like for like.

I have Inconel TABS on my car in the UK, these were from a small batch Martin Gutkowski had made many years ago, I don't beleive they were heat treated so probably not as strong as Toby TABS, but still probably massively over what is required and many, many, many times better than OEM.

Just need to check you're comparing apples with apples or perhaps in this instance comparing the same apples perhaps a Braeburn with a Granny Smith.

J