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Aleksander
06-12-2015, 07:46 AM
Need to find out the exact amount of gas.

Nicholas R
06-12-2015, 08:53 AM
I believe it's 2.2lbs, per one of the bulletins.

David T
06-12-2015, 09:56 AM
I believe it's 2.2lbs, per one of the bulletins.

ST-29-11/81 changed it to 2.2 lbs BUT that was for R-12. If you are using -134 you are supposed to load with 10% less so that would be 1.98 lbs.

Delorean Industries
06-12-2015, 10:01 AM
DPI line kit/compressor combo's require 36 oz of R134.

Aleksander
06-12-2015, 11:25 AM
Thanks guys, was at the workshop and they didn't know but got hold of Ed on the phone and it turned out good. 😄

DMC5180
06-12-2015, 04:20 PM
DPI line kit/compressor combo's require 36 oz of R134.

I'm curious how you came up with 36 oz (2.25 lb) for R134a when that is supposed to be the R12 amount. 36 oz (3 12 oz cans) is a convenient measure to use. (no partial cans left over) Maybe I should say, why do your kits require more 134a than would otherwise be needed in a direct R12 to 134a conversion using the standard 90% by weight conversion rule.

David T
06-12-2015, 04:41 PM
I'm curious how you came up with 36 oz (2.25 lb) for R134a when that is supposed to be the R12 amount. 36 oz (3 12 oz cans) is a convenient measure to use. (no partial cans left over) Maybe I should say, why do your kits require more 134a than would otherwise be needed in a direct R12 to 134a conversion using the standard 90% by weight conversion rule.

Careful now, some of those small cans are 14 and 16 OZ. The amount was not meant to be neat (3 12 oz cans). Typically when a shop fills a system it uses a 30 lb bottle into a charging cylinder or they put the 30 lber on a scale and weigh it in.

DMC5180
06-12-2015, 04:49 PM
I am aware of that David, but thanks for pointing that out for others. Fwiw all of the cans I've purchased over the years have been the 12 oz variety. I know they make the big cans too.

Nicholas R
06-12-2015, 06:02 PM
For what it's worth, I believe that if you have Herveys 2 piece lines you need a little extra. Hervey bumps both of the lines up one size from stock because it is easier (cheaper) for him to get the end fittings for the larger hoses. Because of that, you've got extra volume in the lines running the length of your car. Every time I've charged my AC, it's been by weight, and it always has the symptoms of the system being low. Unfortunately this leaves you with no exact amount, just the need to add a little until the system operates properly.

Delorean Industries
06-12-2015, 06:09 PM
We are running a different volume compared to stock due to line routing changes, internal diameter etc.

Bitsyncmaster
06-12-2015, 06:48 PM
We are running a different volume compared to stock due to line routing changes, internal diameter etc.

Does your hose kit handle the replacement hose on this hub?

http://www.specialtauto.com/delorean-parts/images/high-pressure-hub-old.jpg

This hub seems to be the common configuration and it seems only DAP has it.

Delorean Industries
06-12-2015, 06:55 PM
We move the high pressure switch to the late 83 style position at the condenser. The high pressure relief is optional and integrated into the compressor housing.

Bitsyncmaster
06-12-2015, 08:14 PM
We move the high pressure switch to the late 83 style position at the condenser. The high pressure relief is optional and integrated into the compressor housing.

I have an SD5H14 compressor. Don't think that has a high pressure relief. Does somebody have a photo of what the compressor relief looks like?

Delorean Industries
06-12-2015, 08:25 PM
rear compressor head with relief.

Bitsyncmaster
06-13-2015, 04:41 AM
rear compressor head with relief.

Mine does not have that relief. When I installed the new compressor, I swapped the back plate from the old compressor. I just assumed the old compressor was OEM.

Delorean Industries
06-13-2015, 08:54 AM
We offer the back housing as an add on. I'm more a fan of the early style without one anyways. But of those that really want it the option is available for the application.

DMC5180
06-13-2015, 07:09 PM
We move the high pressure switch to the late 83 style position at the condenser. The high pressure relief is optional and integrated into the compressor housing.

Do you provide a wiring extension harness for the high pressure switch or does the hub hose harness reach to the New location?