Digital Dash Project

[bttws]

Hey everyone, I have another crazy project.....

Over the past 3 weeks I have been working on a digital dash project.
As of now I am only working on the software side, eventually I will have to make changes to fit whatever screen I end up using

The Program is called Processing, which is a type of java.
I have the program running and talking to an Arduino board. The program takes values from the Arduino and applies it to the gauges. As of right now I have a screen hooked up with a menu so I can pick the value I want to send. Eventually sensor data will be polled and sent.

Once I have have the ground work done I'll be making quite a few different dashboard types that can be selected though the dash menu system.

I posted a a few pics and 2 videos. I have more work done, but I don't have permission to use this person's image I used so I'll post more as I redraw it.
The font is wrong, but I will change that later. Anyone know the name of the font?


eventually I will have it installed in the car (maybe by the show in July, I'm hoping)

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The fade in looks choppy in the youtube video, it doesn't look like that in person.
Digital dash startup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw_osPOyz-k

Digital dash with 95mph Back to the future speedometer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OS_9jOMqw4A


p.s. Does anyone have any high res shots of the prototype dash? I want to model it as a working dash. I have quite a few pictures but I cannot get enough detail on it.


thanks for looking
-Kevin

[Timebender]

The font is called "rustproof". If that helps. Also, check out my thread on custom gauge/dash designs, under Modern Dash Look here, http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?t=11785, or my site at http://gregschumsky.com under concepts and illustrations. Lots of different ideas I vetted out here on the forum.

And I can send you the PSD's if you want to use any of them.

Greg

[bttws]

The font is called "rustproof". If that helps. Also, check out my thread on custom gauge/dash designs, under Modern Dash Look here, http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?t=11785, or my site at http://gregschumsky.com under concepts and illustrations. Lots of different ideas I vetted out here on the forum.

And I can send you the PSD's if you want to use any of them.

Greg

I have that font but it is only the Delorean logo typeface, Does your copy have the Dashboard font. I looked at you images and it also doesn't seem to match it. That may take some more searching.

Sure, send them along, I could always use different styles. I'll recreate them in processing and you can see how they look when the are moving with data
[email protected]

-Thanks
Kevin

[Timebender]

Neat! And I'll see if I can find out what font that is.

[Lwanmtr]

Neat project....would be nice to see a kit made for something like that...specially if it could be user customized.

Also, how is ti going to connect to speedometer cable and the other things?

On the font....I couldnt tell you..I ended up using one called MoviePoster and making it fit close on the CG Delorean I made.

[SIMid]

Or just retro fit one in.

https://crapcarguide.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/image-83.jpg

http://www.doubleyoudigital.nl/imgsold/digidash_cougar1990.jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YFU8-DUNWns/TJJoEh2gltI/AAAAAAAADE4/vIm-83nIcuc/s1600/corvette_dash.jpg

[Lwanmtr]

those look neat...but not as neat as a fully digital...hehe

[Timebender]

I personally like the C4 Corvette dash. We had an 85, and I still love the body style, being able to stow the roof behind the seats as it had a slotted shelf the top locked into, the 5 speed manual with overdrive, the whole one piece front hood like on a Jaguar for super easy engine access, the get up and go, the huge engine, the sound, the comfy seats, and so on and so forth. Plus you can find them now in pretty decent shape for pretty cheap. There's one by my house that's been sitting in a guys yard for a while - I've been wondering if he'd sell for cheap or just let me buy the digital dash.

[Grover]

I have a bunch of photos of the Proto-1 Dash. I was going to use them to make another dash t-shirt. They aren't the best quality but when I have time at home I will upload them here.

[bttws]

I have a bunch of photos of the Proto-1 Dash. I was going to use them to make another dash t-shirt. They aren't the best quality but when I have time at home I will upload them here.

Thank you!

[Farrar]

I abandoned my idea of a custom dash a long time ago, but at the time I found a font called "Roadway" which I thought would work OK for the gauges. Here's a sample.

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[bttws]

I abandoned my idea of a custom dash a long time ago, but at the time I found a font called "Roadway" which I thought would work OK for the gauges. Here's a sample.

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I'll check that out, it looks a bit better than the one I was using which is a volvo font

[bttws]

New update, I rewrote the code for the needles. Now they pause during and and after the test sweep. I also fixed the needles so the if there are min/max values (like the volts), the needle will wait for the value to catch up.

You can also see the menu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQojTeVf9n0&feature=youtu.be

[Lwanmtr]

Looks like good progress

[Timebender]

New update, I rewrote the code for the needles. Now they pause during and and after the test sweep. I also fixed the needles so the if there are min/max values (like the volts), the needle will wait for the value to catch up.

You can also see the menu.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQojTeVf9n0&feature=youtu.be

Is that the actual speed of the needles during initializing? If so (and this is purely from a UX/Kinetec design point of view), I'd work on mimicking more of a natural, analog feel to the needles, which would have more of a speed curve to them- i.e. start slow, speed up, slow down, and then the same as they go to their actual positions. I'd start the slow down around the 90% or even 95% point of their animation, even though it'll be very subtle it should provide more of a natural feel (and thus less jarring).

Just my .03 cents (as my opinion is worth slightly more than .02 cents).

[bttws]

Update, few nights of programming and I have made more progress.

Changed needle from images to vector shapes
Changed Font to closer match
Added 140mph speedo
Added 240km/h metric speedo
Added metric for other gauges

I have my middle temp number set at half between min and max, I have to figure out how to make the rate change as the needle moves up.
Still need to do the icons,warning lights, and the metric red lower fuel ticks. Once that is done I'll be moving on to the prototype dashes
I have a screen coming tomorrow and should have access to a binnacle. As long as everything works out, Ill have a very rough prototype this weekend. Here is some sceenshots.
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140mph
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240km/h (with all other us gauges)
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Full Metric Set
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Example of secondary blue speeds turned off
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[Bitsyncmaster]

Now you just need to come up with little circuits to convert the sensors to read into your micro. And you will need to install a wheel sensor to replace the angle drive.

[Lwanmtr]

Could run something off the angle drive without replacing it, probably.

[Tomcio]

I like your project, great idea but there's something I would suggest you change about the metric readouts. Why use the uneven numbers and fractions? Makes no sense and no "metric" car has values like that.
For temperature 38, 88 and 126. Why? Do 40, 90 and 120.
For oil pressure 2.8 and 5.6? Do 3 and 6. Or 2, 4 and 6.
Look at the speedometer, there are no values like that for the blue metric numbers. Otherwise you would end up with 5=8, 15=24.1, 25=40.2, 35=56.3, 45=72.4 and so on. This is not how it's done. The metric values do not need to correspond exactly to the prehistoric* values ;) They are separate and should use even numbers that are easy to understand with a quick glance.

* - metric is so much easier with just one value to remember - for distance there is only meter instead of inch, foot, yard, mile and whatever other values there might be. Once you have a meter you either divided with d (1/10), c (1/100), m (1/1000), n (1/10000) or you multiply it with k (kilo = 1000). Higher multiplication is not normally used. It makes life so much easier... you don't have to remember how many meters are in 1km because you already know that k is 1000. You don't have to remember things like 5280 feet per mile.
But I digress ;)


For the screen I would suggest using a OLED or AMOLED display as they do not require any backlight and provide black that is really black. There is no bleed and no light - black is truly black.

Good luck with the project! I'd love to see it in person.

[bttws]

It's been a little wile with no updates. I needed to button down a screen size, so I would not have to do a bunch of coding over again if the resolution changes.


So I have bought this LCD panel from a China (a bit of a long process)
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The resolution is 1280X390 which is not that bad, just a touch smaller than the images I posted.
It will fit the the binnacle, but is not quite as wide as the stock cluster, (like 2 cm on each side) but the height is perfect.
Best of all, it runs on 12v

Now I wait, I should get it in the next 2 weeks depending on how fast DHL ships it.
Once I get it, I'll start making a bracket and use the stock holes in the binnacle. I will also make some sort of bezel to cover the non screen parts of the panel.

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Cool. Hopefully you're documenting it all...cause it would be nice if it could be put together as a kind of kit.

1280x390 is a kind of odd resolution, though..hehe.

Have you done any designs using that resolution to see how good they look?

[bttws]

Cool. Hopefully you're documenting it all...cause it would be nice if it could be put together as a kind of kit.

1280x390 is a kind of odd resolution, though..hehe.

Have you done any designs using that resolution to see how good they look?

Yea I have scaled them down a bit an they look fine, because it all vector based it should still be as sharp and crisp. Because of the smaller horizontal area, I will have to squish some things to fit.
I am hoping the LCD gets here before the end of the year so I can work on it while I have extra time off. I don't think it has left China so I don't know.

[Andrew]

Now you just need to come up with little circuits to convert the sensors to read into your micro. And you will need to install a wheel sensor to replace the angle drive.

When I installed cruise control on 5052 I installed a Rostra pulse generator in the location of the lambda counter. I would presume that the same part could be used for a digital speedometer as well.

[bttws]

Big Update, got my screen from china on Sat. and over the weekend tested and made a mounting bracket concept.


I make a bracket prototype today, but I still have some adjustments to do. I also need to go back to the hardware store and get different size bolts to mount control boards.

The Screen
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A cut piece of Lexan Plastic ( I removed this because of dust issues. I may use it later.
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Mounting bolts on the back
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My mounting plate attached ( kind of hard to see )
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Back of binnacle
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Mounted in the binnacle (quite snug)
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Front view
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Some shots with it running, little out of focus
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Next step is to make a custom bezel to fit the front and join the edge of the screen to the rim of the binnacle. I think I am going to move the screen down about 1/4 of a inch, but may wait until I can verify the view from the seat.

Now that I have the screen, I can go back to programming. I have to do some rewriting because of the resolution change.

-Kevin

[bttws]

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It looks much better in person.

[bttws]

Just for fun, Some different images of dashes from other cars. ( some of which will be recreated in my software )

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[Lwanmtr]

looking really cool. I want one.

[Bitsyncmaster]

Wow. Nice progress. What do you plan to do about the screen overlap at the bottom of the binnacle?

[bttws]

Wow. Nice progress. What do you plan to do about the screen overlap at the bottom of the binnacle?

That's just the bottom of the plastic bracket I made, it'll be trimmed smaller in my next version of the bracket.


I moved the screen down so the bottom of the veiwable area meets the bottom of the binnacle. It looks much better and doesn't waste space you wont be able to see at the top.
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The only thing left is to make a better bracket and a bezel insert.

[Lwanmtr]

defintately looking good

[Josh]

Ive thought of doing this. But this is way above my capabilities. Amazing work.

An added bonus of running a stripped down obd2 computer is there are many unused inputs. Things like fuel level, speed, tempurature, etc can be fed to the ECU then to a computer to be used in an interface such as this. But as mentioned, getting a nice looking front end is way above my capabilities!

[1batt4u]

I was thought about this from last year. If someone can do something like this, since I have seen several cars with this technology, especially the Jeep Grand Cherokees.

This is awesome love it!

How fast till something is ready for sale??

[Tillsy]

since I have seen several cars with this technology, especially the Jeep Grand Cherokees.

Good point, I adore the digital dash in my Grand Cherokee - it looks so darn good you easily forget you aren't looking at dials until you bring up another screen or other information appears that reminds you it's actually a digital display.

[DeloreanJoshQ]

That's just the bottom of the plastic bracket I made, it'll be trimmed smaller in my next version of the bracket.


I moved the screen down so the bottom of the veiwable area meets the bottom of the binnacle. It looks much better and doesn't waste space you wont be able to see at the top.
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The only thing left is to make a better bracket and a bezel insert.

Great work! Looking forward to seeing it in the car in use!

[bttws]

Update, I mounted the boards to back of the bracket, and made a basic bezel out of cardstock. I'll make it out another material later. The hardware is ok for now, it will be refined over time. Now I be focus on working on the software.


Happy new year everyone!
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[Lwanmtr]

Looking cool. almost needs something on the sides...hehe

[bttws]

New update, (doesn't look like much but it was a lot of work)


Painstakingly adjusted position of every text and line asset individually to fit the LCD's resolution
Added Warning lights with code
Added Icons
Finished Metric mode, with new red Fuel section and alternate brake warning icon
Added optional Bevel to give it a realistic look
Fixed some adjustment problems
Added small triangle to the bottom of the needle to match car
Added sliders to 2nd screen for demos (not shown)



some shots....

The new redraw
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Bezel ON
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Light Test
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Menu
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With that, the stock cluster is finished for now. There will be some adjustments and changes in the future , but now I can start of other dashes.

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Looking really good. Cant wait to see the finished thing

[bdmiko]

The screen is looking good and it looks like it is a nice fit in the binnacle. What type of computer are you using to run "Processing" and drive the graphics?

[Bitsyncmaster]

Nice job. You must write software for a living.

[Grover]

Found my Proto-1 Dashboard pictures. Send me a PM with your email and I will get them over to you. They are not the best, but you could most likely use them to get close. If you require better ones, let me know as I am planning to head down to Florida in both Feb. and March and can stop by DMC Florida and ask if I can get some better shots.

[bttws]

Just a quick update, I showed a demo at my Ohio Delorean meeting and got a lot of positive reactions. A few wanted to wanted to buy it for their cars. So, once I have finished and have the unit working in my car... I will look into making a kit for people to buy. No price or specs yet but I know it will be $1000 +. I may be able to run a dash only ( no center stack ) option for cheaper, but that depends on if I can get it to work on other hardware. I have got enough interest that I will keep a kit in mind as I develop it.

In other news, the Microsoft surface pro 3 will not work as my nerve center for dash and center stack. There is a problem with the Intel graphics that all Surfaces and most low-mid laptops use. The drivers will not allow the strange resolution that this lcd panel uses. More research will need to be made, but I may be looking at running a laptop with Nvidia graphics or a small form factor computer with a touch screen. I would lean more toward the laptop because of the battery and the screen being powered and driven by the computer.

that's it for now, here is a video showing full stock dashboard demo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7delH3uVxg&feature=youtu.be

[Nicholas R]

This is very cool! Have you worked out how you're going to receive and process inputs from the car for the gauges themselves? Some of them are measured resistance, some are measured voltage, the tachometer is based on pulse counts, and the speedometer (currently) is all mechanical. Plus there's all the warning/indicator lights (turn signals, headlights, etc. Just curious how you're planning to receive and process all of the information. Great work :thumbup:

[sdg3205]

Super cool. If you want to save yourself some work you could just peg the oil gauge now :)

I've always wanted a metric cluster. Amazing how much flexibility I could have with this for the same price as one NOS metric cluster.

[Lwanmtr]

Very cool. I'd definately be interested in a kit of some kind, specially one that came with the mounts, etc

[bttws]

Working on Prototype 1 Dash Here is a quick image
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-Kevin

[Grover]

I have a good screenshot I can send you from the one DeLorean Documentary that is really good, and as I mentioned in my email, I can stop by DMC Flordia the first weekend in Feb. to see if I can get any more detailed shots that you need.


Working on Prototype 1 Dash Here is a quick image
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-Kevin

[bttws]

I have a good screenshot I can send you from the one DeLorean Documentary that is really good, and as I mentioned in my email, I can stop by DMC Flordia the first weekend in Feb. to see if I can get any more detailed shots that you need.
That would be great. My email is [email protected]. any pics from dmc fl would be great. I need clear shots of the icons and warning lights on both sides.

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[SEO Motorsports]

You should make it accept the Megasquirt CAN bus protocol!! add a check engine light!!!

[bttws]

that shouldn't be that hard

[Grover]

That would be great. My email is [email protected]. any pics from dmc fl would be great. I need clear shots of the icons and warning lights on both sides.

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In the meantime, this can work. I can take a better quality screenshot when I get home from my copy directly.

https://youtu.be/sueqDrq9VBw?t=28


This would be great to get this done! I wanted to make this a tshirt like I did the original dash, but never got around to it. Would be great if we could mock up a good version of it!

[bttws]

hey all, late night update.

I finished the art on the prototype 1 dash.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdETX8jsBZg&feature=youtu.be

New sweeping animation for startup ( I might add to the stock dash)
No needles or menu yet
Not happy with the warning light text font and look. I will redo that (most likely in photoshop)
clock is a set value until I figure out how to display leading zeros for minutes less than 10
All the icons where drawn by hand pixel by pixel, they are not standard icons so they are not found anywhere. There may be inaccuracies on the right 3 icons because of low quality source material.

Thanks to everyone that sent me images and links. I couldn't have made it without those images.

-Kevin

[Henrik]

Looks awesome. No check engine light...?

[bttws]

Hey everyone, another quick update

I finished up most of the proto1 dash and added needles. There is still tweaking to do on both but I am at a point where they are 90% done. So now I can move on to more fun and creative dash concepts. stay tuned.

I also added code to dampen the needle's sweep rate. This will keep them from going crazy if I have a data spike or instant change in values.

Here is a video of both dashes working in the same instance with free swapping between them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXuQnnq_44c&feature=youtu.be

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Looking cool. Have you started working on interfacing with the car itself?

[bttws]

I have a few strong ideas, mostly involved in Dakota digital sensors and a ardunio

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[Peripatetic]

What is used to input commands into the dash? Like switching between different layouts or choosing a theme.

This is a really cool project to watch as it progresses.

[bttws]

What is used to input commands into the dash? Like switching between different layouts or choosing a theme.

This is a really cool project to watch as it progresses.

Right now it's just mapped to some keyboard keys, but in the future it could be mapped to just about anything. Examples steering wheel controls, turn signal stock controls, phone app, etc

[1batt4u]

How is this project coming along? I sent you a PM.

[bttws]

Here is a quick update and some pictures


This is the hardware I have ended up with. Its a Intel Nuc micro computer i7 8Gb ram and 128Gb ssd hardrive. It runs everything nice and fast. Best of all it boots to windows in under 10 sec.
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I took the whole setup to Ken's and stuck it in one of his other cars to test look and viewing angles. It looks washed out on the pics but in person it looks really good, Should be bright enough even in the daytime.
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I took the screen out of the binnacle so I can redesign the bracket and mounting system. I also have my 10.4 in touchscreen for the center console.
The one on the left has the stock dash, with a mock-up of the interface I will be writing. The one on the right has the proto dash and a android virtual machine running Spotify.
Both screens are running of the same computer.

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Over the next few weeks I will be roughing in the center screen interface. I previous designed it for a much larger screen and need to find a good balance for the size of everything. Now that I have the physical screen, I can test how it looks and the sizes of different buttons and menus.

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Looking good. How much is all that costing? Any reason you went with a windows platform?

[Grover]

I will be back down near DMC Florida on in March (weekend of the 12th), I will be sure to get those better pictures I promised for you then!



Here is a quick update and some pictures


This is the hardware I have ended up with. Its a Intel Nuc micro computer i7 8Gb ram and 128Gb ssd hardrive. It runs everything nice and fast. Best of all it boots to windows in under 10 sec.
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I took the whole setup to Ken's and stuck it in one of his other cars to test look and viewing angles. It looks washed out on the pics but in person it looks really good, Should be bright enough even in the daytime.
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I took the screen out of the binnacle so I can redesign the bracket and mounting system. I also have my 10.4 in touchscreen for the center console.
The one on the left has the stock dash, with a mock-up of the interface I will be writing. The one on the right has the proto dash and a android virtual machine running Spotify.
Both screens are running of the same computer.

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Over the next few weeks I will be roughing in the center screen interface. I previous designed it for a much larger screen and need to find a good balance for the size of everything. Now that I have the physical screen, I can test how it looks and the sizes of different buttons and menus.

-Kevin

[bttws]

Quick update
Working on the console interface. Here is my current design.

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-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Looks neat

[mafiasilk]

Looks very tesla like! Great concept.


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[bttws]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160304/06d3dce4d9e461413217b68dba25cc36.jpg

Just a test fit to check viewing angles. The display is perfectly readable by the driver seat. The passenger side gets a little dark. The screen is easy to reach and not blocked by the gear shift. I got a quote from a local machine shop for a bracket. The new bezel will fit in the space in the console and hold the screen. It will made of stainless and will be attached to a stainless replacement for the metal section around the gear shift and button section. It should look pretty nice when it's done.

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

What about the vents? AC Controls and other controls there?

[bttws]

What about the vents? AC Controls and other controls there?

On my car I'll be moving the air vents to the knee pads, I've seen a few people do that. The A/C controls will be controlled by the touch screen. The lights and hazards will be moved to a button on the console as well as on the touch screen.

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Does the screen cause any issues driving at night?

[bttws]

Does the screen cause any issues driving at night?

Not sure yet, this till a early prototype, and not installed in a car yet. This is someone eles's car that I did a crude test fit to check how it will look.

I am a really picky about dark cabins when I am driving at night. I always have panel lights dimmed very low. That being said, having options to reduce brightness is a big deal with me. I will be able to dim the 2 displays for night time driving. With that I will have night modes to reduce extra lights and use red colors. And for the best option for night time driving, I will have a Heads up display projected on a piece of glass with the dash screen turned off.

[Lwanmtr]

Probably wont be too bad if the bright area on your screen is a darker background. I've never been in a car that has a touch screen thing, so I couldnt say how its done, really.

[Nicholas R]

Not sure yet, this till a early prototype, and not installed in a car yet. This is someone eles's car that I did a crude test fit to check how it will look.

Looks like Daves twin turbo car. Is that car back on the road yet?

[bttws]

Looks like Daves twin turbo car. Is that car back on the road yet?
That is his car, the turbos came in this week but we didn't have the fittings. They will be installed next week in time for the St Patrick's day parade on next Saturday.

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[bttws]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFetxlcucgo

Touch Screen test with new menu interface.

[Lwanmtr]

Looks cool :thumbup:

[bttws]

Quick update.
Got the code done for the touch controls for the dashboard. Same features as on the dash menu, but much quicker to change.

Took a lot of trail and error, but now it should be easier to add buttons and other menus.

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[Lwanmtr]

looking good

[1batt4u]

Looks awesome!!!

Will you also offer this with just the cluster/gauge option instead of installing the monitor for center console?

[bttws]

Looks awesome!!!

Will you also offer this with just the cluster/gauge option instead of installing the monitor for center console?

I'm planning on that, the software can be easily modified to not include anything relating to the console, or vice versa. Both screens run off the same program.

[Lwanmtr]

Cool.

Will the dash screen require a specific part?

[bttws]

Cool.

Will the dash screen require a specific part?

The plan is to offer the screen, bracket, and bezel in one part that attaches via the factory screw holes on your existing binnacle. Basically swap out and swap in. The wiring will be a little harder. Haven't got that far yet.

[Lwanmtr]

Cool. cant wait to see when it gets closer

[bttws]

Took a break from what I was working on and started a new dash to add to the system.

I love 80's digital dashboards and plan on making DMC-ized versions of a bunch of them. Most of them are pretty simple visually, containing mostly different shaped bar graphs and LED Numbers. That being said, it should be pretty easy to make working versions of them.

I started on the dash from the 1989 Subaru XT Turbo. I love the 80's "3d" videogame like perspective. It looks like this blue/yellow color scheme was not the production colors (or the dash pictured was modified) The real dash is a red/orange style. It will be quite easy to change the colors and make both options available.

There is not much more I need to add but I thought I would post what I have so far. I need to change the font and make some more adjustments still, also there is some more programing on the back end to get it working with my other dashes but it should not take to long. I'll post it again when it's finished and working.

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-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Ha.....thats pretty cool

[Nicholas R]

Looks great! I like the video game look. What are you planning to use to get a signal for how fast the vehicle is traveling? Most of the other signals are electronic so they should be easy, but I'm assuming you'll need a VSS or something for speed right?

[bttws]

Looks great! I like the video game look. What are you planning to use to get a signal for how fast the vehicle is traveling? Most of the other signals are electronic so they should be easy, but I'm assuming you'll need a VSS or something for speed right?
dakota digital makes a angle drive reader for their system. I'm hoping to use that to read the stock speedo cable. I might have to look into other means if that doesn't work. I'll always have GPS as a backup, if the angle drive starts giving crazy readings it will switch to GPS.

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[bttws]

Updates

Finished the 89' Subaru XT Turbo Dash. I have some adjustments still to do, but it's done for the most part. The RPM readout is one size instead of the 10's and 1's place reduced sizes, I need to figure out how to do that.

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I have both colors that I have found pictures for. It looks like that blue version was a demo model, I like the red one better.
The turbo meter just mirrors the RPM meter for now, I'll most likely change that to throttle position later.

I also have spent a load of time developing my debug menus and warning system.

Debug Menu 2 (1/2 finished)
This screen will let me activate, suppress, or allow the system to calculate any warning signal. This is really helpful in working on new dash boards. If I am having problems with a sensor in the future, I can disable a warning signal. The green/red lights show if the sensor/data is sending a ok or warning signal.
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Debug Menu 3.
This menu overrides any variable data to a value chosen with the slider. This is really useful because I have no live data coming in yet. I can test warning triggers and meter behavior.
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Warning Menu
This screen lists all the active warnings as they are triggered, was warning are resolved, the other items move up (took me days to figure out how to code that)
This is all automatic.... as soon as the fuel level drops below 15%, the low fuel light comes on, and the low fuel message pops up in the warnings menu.
I will write better descriptions the future, they will be more like the fuel warning where it shows the levels and calculates range (based on 28 mpg, but live when I can calculate real data) The clear buttons are not active yet, but they will clear the warning off this screen, but the light will still stay on.

I still have some more work to do on this one.

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these screenshots look blurry, I made them small to save download time and space. Everything is nice and clear in the program.

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Looking cool. I like the extra stuff like oil pressure and whatnot...but...where's the sheep button?

[bttws]

Looking cool. I like the extra stuff like oil pressure and whatnot...but...where's the sheep button?

And what does a sheep button do? I don't allow farm animals in my car : )

[bttws]

Updates


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3Hk4GCkfQQ&feature=youtu.be

Worked a bit more on the new dash the past week, exmerming with new features.

This is the Subaru Dash with opening.
I remade the car graphic with new art. This fits the angles better.
*Yes the little car has working tail lights, they well mirror what the car's rear lights are doing. And the doors will open on the screen as well
The Message area under the speed will scroll through all the active warnings and issues. I will be writing better messages later but the system is in place.

That's all for now. I should be picking up a mechanical speedometer sending unit tomorrow at summit. I looked over the data sheets and I am sure I can make it work. I'll work on testing now so it is out of the way.
-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

neat...i want one...lol

[bttws]

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A preview of Dash 4, my first completely original design. Here are the basics

-The car will move along a speed proportional 80's 3D grid. The faster the speed, the faster the grid will move (mostly done)
-if the wheel is turn the perspective will change and you will see more of the side of the car (working on artwork). This is all 2D sprite work, and it is very time consuming. The grid lines will change with the perspective (some done, lots of math involved, this is all 2D like a video game.)
-car wheels will move and rotate and turn with car movement
-All lights, doors and windows will show the same as the actual car.
-On the left and right will be floating gauge sets.
-different color options
-more to come, this is still in the very early stages.

[1batt4u]

Thats amazing!!!!!! I want!!!

[robvanderveer]

Great work! How are you coming along with the electronics side of it? Any ideas on how to sense the 12v signals?

[bttws]

Great work! How are you coming along with the electronics side of it? Any ideas on how to sense the 12v signals?

Well, yes and no.
I bought a mechanical speedometer sender from summit racing and was able to get some data out of it, but was unhappy with the way it worked. I think I will be taking it back and getting a better unit and that should do the trick. I have come to the conclusion that I am going to have to wait until the car is finished until I can try r&d the signals. I think it won't be too hard tho. The car is taking a little longer than I expected which means I will not be looking at a lot of time to get the prototype in the car before DCS. I can use GPS if I can't get the speedo to work right away, and I am confident that the read RPM, Fuel level, volts using stock. The oil psi and water temp should be easy with aftermarket sensors. As long as I have those working, I can drive it to DCS as is. I am not sure if I can get the A/C controls done in time, and I might have to mount them in a temporary location.

In the meantime, I am trying to get some more of the backend programing done, so I can just change the trigger or sensor variables to the data coming in. I also need to work on design for the LCD mounting plate for the console so I can have a local machine shop make it for me.

I also have finished the intro for the 4th dashboard. My first total original design. Very 80's videogame inspired.
Here is a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lit-8L5Lm4

[Timebender]

That's pretty cool. I especially love the commodore 64 boot up.

Reminds me of the good old days why I had my Vic 20 and Atari 800.


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[Lwanmtr]

haha...like that startup screen...

[bttws]

Just a quick update. I haven't been doing much on the software side the past few weeks. Taking a break for a bit, sometimes I get burned out and unmotivated. Then I'll open it up and be up till 4am working on it.
I have been working on some of the hardware in that time. I taught myself CAD and have been working on the center console screen bracket and shifter plate.

Here is the design.
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The parts match up with the factory holes so there is no drilling. The LCD is sandwiched between the red and blue part, with the green part surrounding it. It is an odd design because I was trying to avoid visible screw holes. I ended up with just 4 around the shifter. I plan on using some nice hex screws for that.

The DMC letters are a cut out so I can install LED's under so it lights up.
The cutout above that is for usb ports etc.. I am going to design some kind of door for it.
The holes at the bottom are for 6 switches and U shaped black switch guards. Everything is going to be made out of Grade 304 Stainless Steel.
I have the plans drawn up and will be cut on a waterjet cutter at a local machine shop. They should be ready next week. It should be around $200.00 for everything.

I will be making a new console box that takes the place of the armrest and ashtray. It will join up with the end of the shifter plate and continue back to the shelf. I'm planning on adding 2 cup holders where the tray was. The box will be quite shallow, only about 2in deep. That should be big enough for a phone, wallet, usb key, etc. I plan on having it lockable with usb power inside. I might also hide some switches or buttons in there.

In other news the driver board for the dash LCD is on it's long trip back to China to be reprogrammed so I can adjust the brightness. It should be 2-3 weeks before it makes it back

[Lwanmtr]

What happens to the vents, environment controls, light switch, hazards?

I like the idea of cupholders (wonder what genius didnt think people would want something to drink).

[Nicholas R]

What happens to the vents, environment controls, light switch, hazards?

I like the idea of cupholders (wonder what genius didnt think people would want something to drink).

Seems common now but 35 years ago, it was not common to have cup holders.

Thank the minivan for cupholders going mainstream:
https://thesocietypages.org/socimages/2013/03/08/when-did-cars-get-cup-holders/

I am disappointed though that the whole, minifridge/liquor bar in the glovebox didn't catch on more... ;)

[Farrar]

I am disappointed though that the whole, minifridge/liquor bar in the glovebox didn't catch on more... ;)

In our cars, the glovebox would barely be enough for a small flask.

Now the cubby-hole on the other hand...

;)

[81dmc]

I wonder if you could integrate shifting with a servo on automatic cars...

[bttws]

Big Update, I got my parts made and after some adjustments got everything assembled.

The parts have been made with 1/16 in grade 304 Stainless Steel ( of Course) so they are pretty heavy duty parts.
I have the switches installed, there are 6 MON-OFF-MON switches. I don't want switches that stay on they will just trigger the relays. The switch guards are reproductions of a NASA design, and are anodized aluminum.
The DMC logo and box above it have a black cardboard piece under it for now. eventually the logo will be backlit and the box will have a door and have switches, buttons, usb ports, etc.
The shift boot is stock, I have the option to easily switch to a gated plate in the future.


Here they are before assembly.... I made a few mistakes in the design of one of the parts and had to make some ugly cuts. It's ok because it will not be seen.
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The screen cradle.
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screen installed
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support parts
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All assembled and turned on, outside of the console, I have the computer mounted behind the screen for now. I may move it after I have a test fit, but that won't be until next weekend. All the cables are tucked away and only have the 2 power cords coming out the bottom.
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Temp installed in the console.
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[SS Spoiler]

Wow, pretty awesome! What does momma think of you scratching
up the dining room table?

[bttws]

Wow, pretty awesome! What does momma think of you scratching
up the dining room table?

I did scratch the hell of it didn't I : ) I'm single so I have no one to get mad for abusing furniture. I do need to set up a workshop sometime soon.

[Lwanmtr]

Wow...looks awesome. I'd love to have that...sans the nasa switches..i like my clunky ol' switches...hehe. Of course that looks like it wouldnt work with automatic.

[robvanderveer]

That is some seriously impressive work!

[bttws]

Wow...looks awesome. I'd love to have that...sans the nasa switches..i like my clunky ol' switches...hehe. Of course that looks like it wouldnt work with automatic.


Sure it will, autos should be just fine.

If you look at the parts, the opening is modeled exactly off the stock hole. The manual boot is just cliped in. The auto plate should fit right in it's place. You could use stock, or a SS one from DMOCO http://www.dmoco.com/products.html

I could also have something made.

[bttws]

Wow...looks awesome. I'd love to have that...sans the nasa switches..i like my clunky ol' switches...hehe. Of course that looks like it wouldnt work with automatic.

also the design could be easily modified to use the the stock switches and armrest. I am going to build a storage compartment for mine.

[Lwanmtr]

Cool....I hope you're planning a kit?

a storage thing in the armrest would be neat...but cupholders first...lol

[bttws]

Cool....I hope you're planning a kit?

a storage thing in the armrest would be neat...but cupholders first...lol

I kit is in the plans, also yes cup holders is a must

[Lwanmtr]

Cool...I'd love to upgrade to digital stuff..after I get my resto done.

[bttws]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160611/614ab620938ac039a10e2f1123f3638a.jpg test fit more pictures later

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[Lwanmtr]

That looks awesome.

[bttws]

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Just a few more pictures from the test fit last weekend.


After talking with Ken and getting I got the news that the car is too behind schedule to make the drive to DCS ( it will be trailered) and it will be visually finished, but may not be drivable. I have decided that we are going forward and not installing the stock center console, radio, vents, hvac controls, switches, shift plate, etc. We are going to install my center unit as we finish off the interior. So.... at the very least I need to have my relay board working with the microcontroller. I think I have the vac lines for hvac system worked out.

Should be ready to be installed in a few weeks.

[Lwanmtr]

Looking awesome...i want one.

I dont think ill be at DCS, would like to..but money short and my car is still not drivable...unless I get enough money quickly...lol

[Nicholas R]

Just out of curiosity, if you were to sell this, how trouble free do you expect it to be? I only ask because it's a fairly significant modification to a critical part of the car (though it is reversible with effort), so if something went wrong, you could be dead in the water, with no idea what's wrong. I assume you'd almost have to have some if not significant programming experience to keep up with it in the event that something goes wrong, correct? I'm sure if you sell 100 of these kits, you don't want to end up spending your free time playing "tech support," :banghead: haha. I know personally, I've gone back and forth on this issue with regard to helping with engine swaps.

I'm just curious because with people saying "I want one," I want to know if it's really that simple. People say that about DeLoreans as a whole all the time, then they realize they know nothing about DeLoreans or car maintenance, and have more bad experiences than good. Not trying to put this down as it is very cool, I just wanted to put the point out there. Keep posting photos/videos; this is definitely a cool project! :thumbup:

[Peripatetic]

I assume that it requires the same amount of effort as, say, applying a bumper sticker or refilling the tank.

[bttws]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160620/d4b38ff61ff6b9357b2b716dd1af0044.jpg

Doing some test fits and coding last night

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[Lwanmtr]

Nice...love the mini flux capacitor..lol

[bttws]

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Just some pictures of last weekend's work

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[Lwanmtr]

Very cool

[bttws]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160628/874f53cac9c0dbc01934ee229e13c0e3.jpg

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[Lwanmtr]

Hehe..thats pretty cool

[Henrik]

Cool!

[bttws]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160711/d71d4c3d26ffe02c9148fae3d0bc0808.jpg

I need to make a full post but here is this for now

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[Lwanmtr]

Sweet lookin'

[Domi]

That's awesome!

[Dithermaster]

Wow, this is amazing! I can see where you borrowed some design language from the Tesla Model S & X, but with a nice 80's DMC flair. Too bad this won't be at DCS16, I'd love to see it in person. Are you using Qt for the gauges and animation? What other software tools?

///d@

[Starglider]

That's a nice piece of fabrication. You should have a mode where it looks like this video (https://youtu.be/rDBbaGCCIhk?t=64) :)

[bttws]

http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160716/0c5fa65bbd1e5ce6314edf4a868a5457.jpg
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[bttws]

Wow, this is amazing! I can see where you borrowed some design language from the Tesla Model S & X, but with a nice 80's DMC flair. Too bad this won't be at DCS16, I'd love to see it in person. Are you using Qt for the gauges and animation? What other software tools?

///d@
Got news for you, this WILL be at dcs16!

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[Lwanmtr]

Dang...too bad I wont be there to see the thing :(

[bttws]

Got news for you, this WILL be at dcs16!

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Oh yeah all the software is made on a Java variant called processing.

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[bttws]

That's a nice piece of fabrication. You should have a mode where it looks like this video (https://youtu.be/rDBbaGCCIhk?t=64) :)
I've seen that, I was thinking of doing a version of that dashboard

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[Lwanmtr]

How easy is it to make different dash variations?

[bttws]

How easy is it to make different dash variations?
It depends on how flashy, the Corvette one only took a few nights work because it is mostly text. It takes a little less now that I can copy some of my code from other dashes. The Subaru and Corvette dash use alot of the same code.

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[bttws]

I want to thank everyone who stopped by and checked out the project at DCS. I got a lot of great feedback and complements.

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[DavidProehl]

I really appreciate you taking the time to show it to me! This is even more impressive in person than in the pictures and videos. Looking forward to future progress updates!

[16949]

It looks super cool already!

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[dodint]

I want to thank everyone who stopped by and checked out the project at DCS. I got a lot of great feedback and complements.

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Thanks for taking the time to show my wife and I! Really great work. You nailed it when you said the best way to learn to code is to get a passion project, it's the reason I haven't yet learned to code. ;)

The pictures we took of the dash didn't turn out, old camera phone in the dark and all, but it looks really great in person. The NES emulator is a nice touch as well.

[Ryan King]

I want to thank everyone who stopped by and checked out the project at DCS. I got a lot of great feedback and complements.

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Is it your plan to make kits and sell them as "Plug & Play"? Or is this just going to be a one off kinda thing?

[bttws]

Update: DCS 16 Wrap Up & moving forward.

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Vin 909, Nearly complete @ DSC 16.

Well, its been a whirlwind week and a half. I left for a week long camping trip right after DCS and now I am back home. I wanted to again thank everyone for at the show for coming by and checking out the car. I got so wrapped up in showing people the system, cleaning, and checking out the show, I did not take a whole lot of pictures. ( if anyone was there and wants to post any here, feel free.)

One of the many who stopped by took a video and put it up on youtube. It shows the system in action.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtJ6ejG3IVE
Thanks Marty Edwards.

Moving Forward

Here is what I am looking at over the coming months.

Car
As of the show, the car has yet to be started and the doors were far from finished. Most of the components are in place and we should be starting it soon. Sometime next week the car will be transported up near my house so I can work on the dash some while Ken is busy and out of town for a few weeks. In that time I will try to do some tweaking of the hardware and software. If the car is running by then, I can try to start getting data to feed into the computer.

After a few weeks it will go back to Ken's shop for final tweaking and then it will be time to take it home permanently. I will continue to work on it from here on out.

Fabrication
I learned a lot about the fit of the console as we rushed to get everything ready for the show. I found flaws in my design that will need to be fixed. The biggest problem is the position of the hole for the shifter. The opening is too far back and as you use the gears at the top, the shifter bar hits the edge of the opening and pushes the entire unit forward. The solution to this is to recut a new bracket with a redesigned shift area. I have to move the screen/flux or the DMC logo down below the shifter to move the hole up. It will most likely be the sceen/flux because it was not easy to read from that angle. There is the possibility of using a different screen also.

In the recut I will have to make some adjustments to make it fit better. When I made the first one, I only had the console out of the car, so I had to make do with what I had.
I will need do a rewire whole unit so I can feed it to a better harness that I can remove easier.

I also want to raise the parcel shelf up 1-2 in and make a opening lid to store all the electronics. There is just not enough room behind the console.

Software
I wanted so much more functionality to show of my software but life has it's way of stealing time here and there. I ran into an error in the software that will cause me to go in and do a bit of house cleaning of the code. I mainly need to do some reorganizing. My next steps are to add more of the menu screens and add more to the dashboards. I want to add a univeral on dash menu for the eventual steering wheel controls, as well as some custom menus for each dash.

I have a few more dashes I want to make as well as finish my 80's retro one.

As I used it more and watched it have fits and fail, I am starting to rethink the android part of the project. The software I was using worked great sometimes and froze and crashed other other times. I am having a hard time seeing as a reliable source for music, gps, and entertainment. I am going to look into other options.

Hardware
My next big step is to get the hardware and computer to talk back and forth. I had some major problems with this in the weeks before the show and had to push it aside so I could try to get other things done. Now that the show is over I need to work on this problem.
Once I get them communicating correct information to each other than I can start trying to gather real data to send in.

The future
I do want to make some kind of kit or installer option. But at the pace I am working, it may be a few years off. I need to get everything working and long term tested in my car before I would sell anything to someone. I don't want to mess up someone's car or sell something that doesn't work. If I keep on it and accomplish everything I want to, I will have everything working and flushed out by DCS 18' After talking with Rich, I will most likely be doing some kind of talk or presentation there.

I have a long way to my goals and this was my first huge step. I have some setbacks that need overcome, but I am sure I can make this happen. I will be sure to keep you updated along the way.

-Kevin

[Lwanmtr]

Very cool to see it working in the car.

Looks like you got a good roadmap going, cant wait to see the completed project working n bug free.

Couple years for a kit works for me..I'll prolly have my car done and to a point where I can think of spiffy things like that.
If you need any help designing graphics, lemme know.

[toyotafreak88]

Couple of years is fine!! I won't have a car for a while probably, lol.

Wonderful work!

[16949]

Update: DCS 16 Wrap Up & moving forward.

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Vin 909, Nearly complete @ DSC 16.

Well, its been a whirlwind week and a half. I left for a week long camping trip right after DCS and now I am back home. I wanted to again thank everyone for at the show for coming by and checking out the car. I got so wrapped up in showing people the system, cleaning, and checking out the show, I did not take a whole lot of pictures. ( if anyone was there and wants to post any here, feel free.)



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[toyotafreak88]

I think seeing the SNES controllers pushed me over the edge, this is just amazing, lol. Great idea! Are you using an emulator within Android or another unit/console displayed on the screen?
Apologies I haven't read the whole thread yet.
Finally, I wanted to recommend some potential digital dashes you could use, they aren't beautiful but if you wanted options, one is from the JDM RHD mkiii Supra and another from the 80sToyota Turbo pickup. The Supra may be too asymmetrical because that dash extends to the center of the car, but I think the pickup might work well. The mitsubishi starion had a digidash, too, but i don't know how aesthetically pleasing it was. The Supra has a few gauges off to the center of the car you'd have to change but the tach tree is decent.
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[bttws]

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Great pictures, thanks!

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[bttws]

I think seeing the SNES controllers pushed me over the edge, this is just amazing, lol. Great idea! Are you using an emulator within Android or another unit/console displayed on the screen?
Apologies I haven't read the whole thread yet.
Finally, I wanted to recommend some potential digital dashes you could use, they aren't beautiful but if you wanted options, one is from the JDM RHD mkiii Supra and another from the 80sToyota Turbo pickup. The Supra may be too asymmetrical because that dash extends to the center of the car, but I think the pickup might work well. The mitsubishi starion had a digidash, too, but i don't know how aesthetically pleasing it was. The Supra has a few gauges off to the center of the car you'd have to change but the tach tree is decent.
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The system is running Windows 10, so just used a emulator. The center console screen is just a touch screen.

I have run across those dashboards. Over the next few years, my goal is to try to recreate every digital dash i can find. Seems crazy but there aren't as many as you would think. Maybe 20-30... They don't take much space in the code and are fairly easy to make ( depending on complexity).

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[toyotafreak88]

The system is running Windows 10, so just used a emulator. The center console screen is just a touch screen.

I have run across those dashboards. Over the next few years, my goal is to try to recreate every digital dash i can find. Seems crazy but there aren't as many as you would think. Maybe 20-30... They don't take much space in the code and are fairly easy to make ( depending on complexity).

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Awesome! And that doesn't sound like too many honestly. It's a DeLorean, lol. If you're making this level of modification to it, you might as well hit it out of the park.

Although there may be some ugly digidash options you won't like, lol.

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[dvonk]

F-Zero FTW.

[bttws]

Just did a little work tonight
added missing icons to both and added very time consuming tick marks to the corvette dash. Took a while to make sure everything lined up the data that is displayed.

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[Lwanmtr]

Nice looking.

[Domi]

That's awesome :aniclap:

[bttws]

Found one of the coolest digital dashboards I've seen yet. It's from Nissan Leopard F31, a japanese only model.
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[toyotafreak88]

Found one of the coolest digital dashboards I've seen yet. It's from Nissan Leopard F31, a japanese only model.
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Awesome job on the last one. Nice find on the Nissan! When you're"over the hill" it's especially bad in this instance lol! I like that graphic

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[Lwanmtr]

Been a while since I seen it, but didnt the Centauri's star car in Last Starfighter have a neat dash?

[bttws]

Been a while since I seen it, but didnt the Centauri's star car in Last Starfighter have a neat dash?

looked it up, it looks like it was just a bunch of flashing lights. now KITT on the other hand, I might have to do that one.

[bttws]

Started working on my next dash, here is a preview can you guess which one it's based off?

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[Timebender]

Maybe you could do a take on the Spinner's dash display?

https://a.disquscdn.com/get?url=http%3A%2F%2F33.media.tumblr.com%2Faeb6870 d9f88da109c2a90bc7b2e9dc0%2Ftumblr_nscbyjom0h1qc3j u8o5_540.gif&key=cOz2BE_0K9Do8CBa_FEpDw

[Farrar]

https://i.imgur.com/RuJYgPu.gif

[bttws]

Finished a new dash tonight.

2004 Honda S2000 AP1
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[Lwanmtr]

Nice

[bttws]

http://i.giphy.com/d1FKOt0KFfsPlMNq.gif

[bttws]

Hey look at me, I figured out how to post gifs. works much better than uploading to youtube
http://i.giphy.com/l0HlQyPMF0y3Dzy8g.gif

[bttws]

Here is the rest, if you are interested.

http://i.giphy.com/3o6Zt9q432F8svpBGo.gif


http://i.giphy.com/l0HlDZ1Ish1QEJYE8.gif


http://i.giphy.com/3o6ZtfwpsuEC9cmz8k.gif

[DMC5180]

Oddly enough, the OEM layout is still my favorite. The Proto 1 is a cool option. I'm curious, is the instrument screen display something you found stock a stock or is it borrowed from another vehicle?

How do you plan to input process data signals from the various sensors and mechanical Speedo? GPS would be seemly easy for speed, but then you have Odometer/trip meter to record.

[Lwanmtr]

I like the OEM style, its nice and clean. The one above it is nice too, though the colors arent really what I'd like for myself.

[Domi]

That's awesome!

[Ashyukun]

Here is the rest, if you are interested.


Very, very cool.

My car is going to be going down for a complete overhaul shortly- I have some serious frame rust to fix, and figure if I have to pull the body off the frame I'm doing ALL THE THINGS that I need/want to do to the car while I'm at it up to and including an engine swap. I almost hope that all of it takes me long enough that you have this done and available for us to purchase so I can incorporate it into the car when I put everything back together.

[bttws]

Oddly enough, the OEM layout is still my favorite. The Proto 1 is a cool option. I'm curious, is the instrument screen display something you found stock a stock or is it borrowed from another vehicle?

How do you plan to input process data signals from the various sensors and mechanical Speedo? GPS would be seemly easy for speed, but then you have Odometer/trip meter to record.

I got the screen via special order from china. I believe the screens are designed for advertisements and subway car status screens.
I can get speed data via a mechanical speedo sender. It connects to the speedo cable (standard size). It sends 16 pulses per revolution. I can read them and using some math on a arduino can get the speed. Trip/Odo functions are when the arduino will write to an EPROM chip every 1/10th of a mile. This saves data when no power is in the system. I also will have the computer write to a log file every 10-15 mins or so as a backup.

Other data can be obtained by using aftermarket sensors

-Kevin

[bttws]

Very, very cool.

My car is going to be going down for a complete overhaul shortly- I have some serious frame rust to fix, and figure if I have to pull the body off the frame I'm doing ALL THE THINGS that I need/want to do to the car while I'm at it up to and including an engine swap. I almost hope that all of it takes me long enough that you have this done and available for us to purchase so I can incorporate it into the car when I put everything back together.

sounds like a long project. I hope to have at least the dash functional over the winter. I not sure how long it will take.

[bttws]

New Dash in progress.

Nissan Leopard F31 digital dash. Proving to be challenging to recreate. It's from a model that was only for the japanese market.
http://i.imgur.com/z2sUi23.jpg

[Lwanmtr]

Looks interesting

[bttws]

Hey everyone, it's been awhile since I updated here... so here is the news.


Part 1


As the summer ends and we move toward fall, my hours pick up at work and I have less time to work on other projects. Along with work, as with most people my motivation for projects fluctuates over time and I get burnt out and need a break. So the past few months have been a little unproductive, but I have started working on it more and more lately. Here is what I have been up to the past few months.

The Car
In the time since DCS the car is now running, nearly everything is done on the car except a few things that still need adjusted. Ken is at a stopping point because the work I am doing needs to be finished before the last bits can be finished up. Because of winter, hopefully this weekend he will be trailering the car up to me for the winter so I can get my project finished ( at least most of it ) before it goes back down to his shop in the spring. Once he has everything done (mostly finishing up the doors), I will get the car to take home for good. Because I will have access to the car whenever I want and not a 2 hour drive each way to get to it, I will be making tons of new progress. My work really thins out just before Christmas, so I will have lots of weekend time to work on it.

I have installed the stock instrument cluster for testing. I need good data readings to compare to my new sensor data when I get it working.

http://i.imgur.com/wWn21zB.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/wRYPTyG.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ye4Ur1N.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XJxucZR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/VkLVuht.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/uIAZr2R.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/m9siKwn.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/DBVbEt6.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/xHKqdKa.jpg


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkAD39iqtjY&feature=youtu.be

[bttws]

Part 2

Car Integration

This past weekend I ran some new code and got the first steps of the system working

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYDjVm00zwU&feature=youtu.be

In this video I have my switches below the shifter activating the parking lights and headlight. The results are displayed instantly on the screen. I can also hit the button on the screen and turn the lights on from there, but the communication between the computer and the controller was having some major problem. Because I didn't have access to the car and the relay board when I wrote it, so had to combine 2 sections of code I wrote and they didn't work right. I was 2 hours from home, so I could only do so much. The buttons were laggy and sometimes reset the microcontroller. More work needs done before this will work smoothly, but the status of the lights coming into the computer was quick and worked every time.
The next part was a color picker to change the lighted DMC letters. It uses the same system so it was flakey too.

Here are the final screen for the main lights menu (needs labels) and a early concept of the interior lights option.
http://i.imgur.com/LF8kn0H.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/8U0vEyh.jpg

[bttws]

Part 3

R&D

I may not have been doing a lot with the car and the program, but I have been doing a lot of research.

I have obtained a aftermarket fuel sender and have been able to read it with the microcontroller. The data is a bit erratic but I can fix it with code. I should be able to use this instead of the factory sender, which is very hard to read from.
I also have a new mechanical speedometer sensor that I should be better results with. Still haven't worked on that yet.

here is some first attempts at controlling a RGB LED. It didn't work every well. I was sending a command to display white and it was going crazy. Interesting effect, would be fun for parades.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AV1PuKs6QAs&feature=youtu.be

HUD Tests

I have obtained some special glass to experiment with for the hud, along with a little 5in display. It looks good in the right conditions, it will be a challenge to get it work in the car without creating tons of reflections on the windshield. Much more work needs to be done.

http://i.imgur.com/KBB2ZsA.jpg


3D Printer!
Last night I ordered this bad boy. It's a Makerfarm 12" Pegasus 3D Printer.
http://i.imgur.com/d7opLfe.jpg

It has a huge 12x12x13 build area, so I will (in theory) be able to print a custom binnacle in 2 pieces. I also will be able to make my own enclosures, sensor brackets, cable management, HVAC ducts and valves, modified replacement parts, and tons more. It's going to really allow me get some of this stuff working much faster.


If the binnacles come out well, I might consider selling them. Anyone interested?

That's all for now. Hopefully the car will be up this weekend and I can start working on it again.
-Kevin

[rickjames8]

This is all just incredibly impressive work!! I was running through some ideas in my head recently about trying to upgrade the dash based off another thread i saw here, and this surpasses even the wildest ideas I had in my head. Hats off to you. Keep up the great work, and I can't wait to see the finished product in a running car soon!

[Lwanmtr]

Looking really cool. Definitely can't wait to see it all done (and possible kits..hehe).
Would be nice to see that hud thing in a car.

The technicolor tail lights is kinda neat.

How much that printer run? I have an 3d printer and have printed a few minor parts....very handy.

[DMC-81]

Great work! Both on the car and the digital dash project. :thumbup:

Very cool!

[Timeless]

Another congrats for the ton of effort in all you have done. Such a cool update for these cars! I look forward to seeing a fully-functionally completed system.

[bttws]

Learning the new world of 3D modeling....

http://i.imgur.com/chY6rUy.jpg

Definitely a new world for me. Here is about 3 hours of learning and experimenting.
The back end is not curved and have some other ajustements, so I will have to redo the whole thing. I was good practace

[Lwanmtr]

If you need help, I do 3d work

[bttws]

Update for the new year!

Hello everyone. Giving you a progress update.

The car is now in town. Ken brought it up for some work then dropped it off. I am renting a buddy's garage so I have a place to work on it over the winter. I plan on working on it pretty much every weekend till it is in a basic working state.

First off some 3d printing news. I got my printer and am still working at it, it's not a plug and play operation so it's a learning experience.

This was my 2nd "successful" print. Its really rough
http://i.imgur.com/Ok01AuR.jpg

Here is a test print of a dome light fixture with original lens ( still have a lot of tweekng to do)
http://imgur.com/mWRo3m1.jpg

The Car

Here is my progress over the past few days working on the rear enclosure. I basically raised the rear shelf up about 2in and made it into a chest door. I found a decent match for the carpet and the whole thing will be covered with new carpet for a uniform look. I have a latch and gas strut for the door. Inside I have plenty of space for all my electronics.


http://imgur.com/UV6CBvX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/Ty0fJrH.jpg
http://imgur.com/k7vOilT.jpg
http://imgur.com/BSMisuk.jpg
http://imgur.com/kSMrOib.jpg

[Lwanmtr]

Looking nice.

Does that fixture you printed have the same tabs n stuff as the real one? Would love to see the stl file.

[rickjames8]

Some interesting dash ideas for you from this years' CES:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RKqPcZfvXM&index=5&list=PLXnUNwyBelRQm9XpIRPlnz4vpy_U6vPrV

[bttws]

Luggage shelf test fit
http://i.imgur.com/wTd1i2G.jpg

3D printed domelight w/16 RGBW Leds
http://i.imgur.com/edOxhk2.jpg

[Lwanmtr]

Looking cool.

Possible to get the gcode or stl for those lights?

[Bob635]

Kevin,

Glad to hear that you are making further progress on the digital dashboard. We have not had time to dedicate to this yet, but it is on our list. Been spending all my time fixing up the houses.
Maintenance can sure eat up your time.

BTW, WE are also finally getting to the production of the video of your presentation at DeLorean Weekend 2016. Radek hopes to have it done by the end of the month. He has been very busy with other DeLorean Weekend and Star Trek videos.

We are making progress on the Dream DeLorean. A number of suggestions have come in from other D owners. The car is going to have a totally new dashboard. It is going to be 3D printed. Lots of engineering on making all the HVAC electronic.

Right now, I am booked through the end of March, so I am hoping to really get up this project in April. August 12 in Hinsdale, IL at the Delorean MidWest CLub BBQ will be the first viewing of the Dream Delorean.

Bob and Ryan

[Bob635]

What 3D printer did you get?

Bob

[bttws]

What 3D printer did you get?

Bob
http://www.makerfarm.com/index.php/12-pegasus-kit.html/

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[bttws]

Kevin,

Glad to hear that you are making further progress on the digital dashboard. We have not had time to dedicate to this yet, but it is on our list. Been spending all my time fixing up the houses.
Maintenance can sure eat up your time.

BTW, WE are also finally getting to the production of the video of your presentation at DeLorean Weekend 2016. Radek hopes to have it done by the end of the month. He has been very busy with other DeLorean Weekend and Star Trek videos.

We are making progress on the Dream DeLorean. A number of suggestions have come in from other D owners. The car is going to have a totally new dashboard. It is going to be 3D printed. Lots of engineering on making all the HVAC electronic.

Right now, I am booked through the end of March, so I am hoping to really get up this project in April. August 12 in Hinsdale, IL at the Delorean MidWest CLub BBQ will be the first viewing of the Dream Delorean.

Bob and Ryan
I might have to come up for that.

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[bttws]

Looking cool.

Possible to get the gcode or stl for those lights?
Sure, send me a pm with your email and I'll send it to you.

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[Lwanmtr]

Not a bad looking printer and good build size. I have a bukobot v2 duo and just got a robo3d r1 (which out of the box does excellent prints).

Have plans to make some parts myself and print them.

[toyotafreak88]

Looking great! Surprised to see rgbw LEDs in the dome lights!

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[bttws]

Just a quick update for you all.

I am working on buying my first home, I will be leaving the apartment life for bigger things. The new place has a huge workshop to work on the car in, and I can finally get all the delorean parts off the dining room table.
Because of all this, I haven't worked on the car in a few weeks, but hopefully I will have some weekends free in the coming weeks to get some work done.
Here are a few pics of the led's the back working, I have added speakers on the back wall after these pics
http://i.imgur.com/ZHD4c4T.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/TyGqjJz.jpg


I have been working on the software lately. I am in the process of a full rewrite of my software, I have learned a lot in the last year and some of my code was very clunky from me new to the process.
As a result the rewrite is making it simpler to add features like this and will allow me to make new dashboards much faster. I completely rewrote the needle code from scratch, making them much more accurate.
I can also now change colors on the fly, Still a early design of the color picker, but eventually I will have alternate and customizable color schemes for all the dashboards.

For those of you who are interested, I did a talk at Delorean Weekend last Oct. on my dash. Here is a video of it. You'll have to forgive me, I am not a great public speaker.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Hu5uEYGmX4

(don't mind the 0's all over the place, I was debugging sections at the time.)
Here is some crazy color options.
http://i.imgur.com/OTLZygp.jpg

The faded look a lot of you are familiar with....

http://i.imgur.com/NyGZevS.jpg

Added the 170mph Speedo
http://i.imgur.com/3euD0e3.jpg


_kevin

[bttws]

Album Art!
http://i.imgur.com/DjPVPq7.jpg

[bttws]

New Color System

http://i.imgur.com/YIft9PK.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/ZI0gAo5.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/LgrtvPU.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/Km9QiZ8.jpg

[Lwanmtr]

Really cool. I want it...lol

[toyotafreak88]

Looking awesome!

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[Michael]

Just an amazing project you have taken on. I could see this going in 5609 in the future if it's offered as a retail kit. My car is so far from stock that I no longer worry about originality, I just want to make it fun for me.

Do you have any ballpark estimates on price and availability timeframe?

[bttws]

Just an amazing project you have taken on. I could see this going in 5609 in the future if it's offered as a retail kit. My car is so far from stock that I no longer worry about originality, I just want to make it fun for me.

Do you have any ballpark estimates on price and availability timeframe?

sorry nothing yet, I am still working on getting it working : )

[bttws]

Moved! Still have more work moving next weekend, then I can get back to work on the car

http://i.imgur.com/T8ehfi5.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yz2Gb6q.jpg

[Lwanmtr]

Cool...Nice workshop area you got

[Michael]

Now that's a workshop! FYI, if you don't already know, you will be shocked how much more light you can get by epoxying the floor and painting or drywalling the walls.

[Peripatetic]

What garage jealousy?? I'm fine with my garage and needing to side step to get into my car.


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[Lwanmtr]

Look at it this way...I Look at the door he has in front of the delorean and at least I dont have to tilt my car on its side to get it out...lol

[bttws]

Hello all here is a update....


Things are starting to come together here is some pics and videos

Console
-New bracket cut
-removed screen section
-moved gear shiftier forward ( a little too far but workable )
-New hole for Griffin Power-mate (volume knob)
To do: 3d print dmc cutout led holder ( printing now)
To do: 3d print wire management holders and bracket mounts

http://i.imgur.com/g3yHYVo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/ft1OVUP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/T90N2Hb.jpg

HVAC unit
-Have tested and control of all vacuum doors. https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=Jhd2Ks4mbQA
-Have tested and control fan speed
-Console integration works
-servo for temp door ( to do: 3d print servo door cable holder )
To do: fix bugs
To do: More programming
To do: New dash vents
http://i.imgur.com/u5UdPTH.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/XXTm2HQ.jpg


3d Printed Grill
I took the car to a show and needed a grill on short notice, so I printed one. It took 60 hours, and I need to redesign and reprint. It cost about $12 in materials
http://i.imgur.com/Hpy1RK6.jpg


Headlights
-Switched out highbeam only center lights for low/highbeam lights
-Relay control for each bulb ( high and low individually) Now can have 4 lowbeam lights at once.
-brightness control for turn signals.
-will be able to have daytime running lamps, switchback DRL, parade sequences, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=6YSv22OjvgI
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=LQgUFom7icE
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=sgi9uWwN1ro
-To do - still need to do some programming

http://i.imgur.com/jKjhGei.jpg

Taillights
-Have control over turnsignals, and parking lights and marker lights (Reverse and Brakelights are still stock)
-3d printed box to hold outside temp module
-Todo - shelved Matrix taillights until winter, I wanted to make the car drivable first, then I will come back to that
https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=awzXf0raIfU

Car Controls
-Power windows are on relay control https://www.youtube.com/edit?o=U&video_id=fdJ7kkBqPK4
-horn on relay control
-console switches rewired
-added compass module
-added accelerometer module
To do - More Programming

80's color option
http://i.imgur.com/ChgGXQf.jpg

[Lwanmtr]

Dang thats looking awesome! :thumbup:

I wants one...lol

[Ashyukun]

I definitely still want one when this is all finished up and more widely available (or if you make the plans & tools available, I'm certainly not above doing a lot of work).

I apologize for not going back through all of the thread, but you're still running a fairly stock engine with all of this, right? I will probably need to get at least a little into the programming of how it works since mine will be getting a new engine (still waffling between the L67 3800 I have and a 13B-MSP such that the car would have the engine it was originally slated to get) and will thus be running it with a standalone (likely MS) of some sort.

Something I noticed looking at your car with the door open made me think of one of the things that I'm looking to do when I have mine largely disassembled for all the work I'm going to be doing: I'm planning on losing the old plunger-switches on the doors in favor of magnets and reed switches. I have a bear of a time getting mine adjusted so the lights don't flash on when I hit large bumps, so decided losing switching to something different like the reed switch that (properly set) isn't as sensitive to it would be an improvement.

[Nuclearbacon]

This is incredible. I just spent almost 2 hours reading through everything.
AMAZING

[Lwanmtr]

Yeah it is...I want one...lol

[DMC5180]

Wow, I haven't looked at this thread in awhile.

I'm pretty sure when Disarming that Bomb you're supposed to cut THE Red wire. Or is it the other red wire. [emoji23]

I hope you are marking them somehow.

In all seriousness, the design work is mind blowing. Will this be available in Heath-kit form? [emoji12]

[bttws]

Update

Sorry for the lack of updates, live gets in the way sometimes

What have been up to the past 5 months?

I am officially an owner, meaning I now have my car titled and plated in my name. I have been waiting until it was official until I updated my profile here.
https://i.imgur.com/MWfGrzr.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/DcOzg9T.jpg

I settled into my now home and workshop
https://i.imgur.com/fRlT3iX.jpg

Took the car to a car show in my town. The cars next to mine are my buddies cars, its nice to have friends to go with to car shows with.
https://i.imgur.com/8XULsLT.jpg

Some wiring shots.
https://i.imgur.com/7jKdalQ.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/KGOA4oz.jpg

Rear shelf
https://i.imgur.com/85WIwUS.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mGiLU2i.jpg

Had my friend take some professional pictures.
https://i.imgur.com/oOMskRe.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/Qr2FUgB.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/mdh4Qmj.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/ekZnuOX.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/dwU0Cqs.jpg

I went to Delorean Weekend in Vegas and had great time. I did a presentation on my work and I will post it here soon. Here is a video I showed for it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oiQgEb-ReCo&feature=youtu.be

Thanks everyone!

[Lwanmtr]

I still soooo want that setup Nice work.

[DMC-81]

Wow, that looks awesome!! Very modern but appropriate. I can only imagine the hours that you spent designing, building and testing.

Congrats on the car purchase and your new spacious garage/work area. :thumbup:

[mr_maxime]

This is my first time finally looking through and holy crap is there more? Since the last engine swap thread I went down the rabbit hole of doing an EV conversion and thought maybe I should do a digital dash to display everything.

I'd like to mess with the digital dash while i start saving for the EV components. What is the physical size of the display?

Love the synthwave dashes by the way, that's 100% what I plan on going for.

[Redsquall]

Does anyone have an update on this? Hopefully it just didn’t stop at a non-functional set of graphics on a screen that fits the dash. I’d install it on mine

[mr_maxime]

Does anyone have an update on this? Hopefully it just didn’t stop at a non-functional set of graphics on a screen that fits the dash. I’d install it on mine

I emailed him through the forum and commented on the YouTube video featuring it. I haven't gotten a response yet.

Now I've got a raspberry pi with a carberry shield. This will allow me to get can signals from the motor controller. I want to use the code and alter it to work with the signals I get. I'm working on a separate plain text display just to get something first cause I don't want to start this from scratch.

[81dmc]

Even if he did finally finish the project, at the end of the day, it wouldn't be anywhere close to a plug and play solution, unless he's been doing some crazy R&D in the past couple years.

Anyone wanting to complete this would have to start their own project, although it would probably include a good set of directions plus software.

Additionally, most owners aren't willing to go the extremes that bttws has gone in modifications. I definitely saw this when I finished my own modern cluster. People just get cold feet when they see the time and money involved in this kind of project.

Hell, there's only a handful of people on this very forum, including me, who are willing to tear extensively into their classic car...resale value be damned. :whip:

/end rant

In any case, I'd still like to see this project complete and functional haha. :p

[Lwanmtr]

Id be willing to put the money to something that is relatively easyish to install..as close to plug n play as possible. Yup, I'm another one who will happily modernize every piece I can..hehe.

[81dmc]

Id be willing to put the money to something that is relatively easyish to install..as close to plug n play as possible. Yup, I'm another one who will happily modernize every piece I can..hehe.

That's the hard part lol

[Lwanmtr]

Yup it is...worth payin a lil extra too...lol

[mr_maxime]

I am beyond any plug and play solution at this point. Tach, oil pressure, temp and fuel gauge are no longer hooked up to anything.

[steve]

Worth a look.https://youtu.be/E5Dn3uTgWok:jawdrop:

Would work well in our cars.

[JETS 81 DMC]

Worth a look.https://youtu.be/E5Dn3uTgWok:jawdrop:

Would work well in our cars.

WOW !

That is amazing and I really like the back up camera feature. Wonder what the cost would be for a DMC.

Thanks for posting the link. :thumbup2::cheers:

[Timeless]

Now that is PHENOMENAL! Exactly what our cars need.

[rgehrig]

Hi
I am looking to intellitronix.com to build me a digital dash
I have attached three pdf's to show what I am proposing.
This using current designs into a custom board.
It will be all leds, with the battery lamp relocated and monitored.

I would appreciate if there is any interest in this.

[jamesrguk]

Does anyone have really good drawing of the original dash/instrument cluster that they might be willing to share?

something like the attached but in higher resolution, a line drawing would be even better.

69418

I have an idea for a fun little project...

Didn't mean to stray off topic but hopefully this is ok.

Many thanks

James

[Bitsyncmaster]

Hi
I am looking to intellitronix.com to build me a digital dash
I have attached three pdf's to show what I am proposing.
This using current designs into a custom board.
It will be all leds, with the battery lamp relocated and monitored.

I would appreciate if there is any interest in this.

So are you getting a decal made to lay over a new circuit board with LEDs and micros to drive them?

[rgehrig]

Dave
Basically yes.
They do digital dash for various cars and trucks.
I want a custom board that will fit in the dash to replace the existing instruments and lights.
A decal or an custom cover to indicate what things do.
The only addition is an extra wire to monitor that the Battery bulb has not burned out.
The bulb will be relocated.
I have attached an updated Leds drawing.
The MPH and RPM also has digital display in the center of the bar graph.

[81dmc]

Does anyone have really good drawing of the original dash/instrument cluster that they might be willing to share?

something like the attached but in higher resolution, a line drawing would be even better.

69418

I have an idea for a fun little project...

Didn't mean to stray off topic but hopefully this is ok.

Many thanks

James
I have a PDF of my cluster if you want. The shape is contoured for the cluster, but it's slightly different from stock.

[jamesrguk]

I have a PDF of my cluster if you want. The shape is contoured for the cluster, but it's slightly different from stock.

Oooh that might do the trick. Would you happy to email me me a copy? I'll PM you my email address.

Many thanks

James