DMC stage 1 and stage 2 engine differences

[timothymoore]

was just wondering what the HP differences are between the stage 1 and 2 engines?

[Chris Burns]

The Stage 1 upgrade is more for the exhaust note and the elimination of the hot air intake hose. Although your gas mileage and hp increase slightly, it's not a huge difference. It gets about 1 to 2 mpg more than the stock motor. The Stage 2 has 80 more hp than the stock motor. To me the Stage 2 is only beneficial if your motor blows up or if you just have $5,000-$7,000 to spend. The Stage 2 gets around 23 to 25 mpg with premium fuel.

[QuadcityDMC]

197HP Having just installed a new Stage 2 motor (DMCMW) I would NOT go back to stock. it is a world of difference. I run 93octan and get 20 mpg, there is much more power in the car, if you need to get moving fast or merge onto the intersate, no problem, the car has your back.

It looks awesome, sounds good, and drives great.

At first it was loud inside the car, but now I'm used to it. If you can upgrade to Stage II do it.


I'm about 75% done with "restoring" my car. I'm putting in the headlight upgrade kit next week.

[jmettee]

The compression ratio is not increased by going to Stage II, so there should be no need to use anything other than 87 octane, just like the stock engine.

[DMCMW Dave]

It's recommended due to a more aggressive cam and ignition timing. Try different fuels, if it doesn't knock it's OK.

[timothymoore]

i think i might just save up for the stage 2 then. around 200 HP, sounds good to me .

[Chris4099]

The stage II is actually 198 BHP, not HP. Basically the HP without any accessories added to it. Ultimately the stock engine puts down about 100HP at the wheels while the Stage II puts down 130HP. Still not a bad jump when you consider that's 30% more!

[stevedmc]

The Stage 2 gets around 23 to 25 mpg with premium fuel.

Is that with an automatic or manual transmission? I'm not trying to go off topic but I am getting consistant gas mileage between 22 and 25 mpg with combined city/highway driving and I have a manual transmission.

I have no clue what my horsepower is but I'm sure my mods have increased it slightly.

[Dracula]

I'd assume it's with an AT. I get around 25 doing mostly city driving and if I cruise solely on the highway and set the cruise control for 65, then I can get 32 MPG out of the car with my 5-speed.

[stevedmc]

I'd assume it's with an AT. I get around 25 doing mostly city driving and if I cruise solely on the highway and set the cruise control for 65, then I can get 32 MPG out of the car with my 5-speed.

Sweet. Is your car somewhat stock or is it stage 2?

[Dracula]

Stage II and with lowered springs and suspension. That made the big difference in fuel economy.

[Chris 16409]

I've noticed that Houston no longer has a price displayed for the Stage II engine. Additionally, if you go to the parts page where is shows the crate motors, it says no stock and a $0.00 price. Are the crate motors running out or something?

[Grover]

Last I heard they are saving the last of the full crate motors for the Stage III packages. Stage II's are now only done on exisiting engines.

[Iznodmad]

Last I heard they are saving the last of the full crate motors for the Stage III packages. Stage II's are now only done on exisiting engines.

Wow, I didn't know that. Do they still have the mileage restriction of 50,000 miles on Stage II upgrades?

[QuadcityDMC]

Mine was going to be a Stage II upgrade to my motor I had, but ened up getting a new block, So I ened up with a Stage II crate Engine, but doing it the hard way. It was a $10,000.00 upgrade

I think you can get the Stage II crate for $9,000.00

[Ryan King]

Mine was going to be a Stage II upgrade to my motor I had, but ened up getting a new block, So I ened up with a Stage II crate Engine, but doing it the hard way. It was a $10,000.00 upgrade

I think you can get the Stage II crate for $9,000.00

I believe I got my Stage II crate motoro for 6,999 bucks back in 07. But if I were to need a new engine at this point, I would go through Josh.

[Dracula]

I believe I got my Stage II crate motoro for 6,999 bucks back in 07. But if I were to need a new engine at this point, I would go through Josh.

Now I'm going with one of each, so it'll be an interesting comparison.

[dvonk]

id be interested to hear your impressions of each after a few weeks of driving both.

[Dracula]

id be interested to hear your impressions of each after a few weeks of driving both.

Rest assured, a full comparison will come.

[dvonk]

eeeexcellent.

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[QuadcityDMC]

I took some photos of my motor. This was installed/built in June 2011. I have 1,125 miles on it now.

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[thirdmanj]

I got my Stage II done down at DMCFL. I used to have a black throttle cover plate, but when I got the car back it was not installed. I also was told to run premium fuel, and noticed a significant increase in fuel milage (23-26mpg) this modification was performed to a stock engine will less than 20,000 . Besides the StageII I also had other work done down there. The StageII mod has performed well, but the "fixed" door locks broke again by the time I hit Jacksonville and a few weeks later one of the top nuts on the fwd drivers side Eibach shocks came off. I'd love to get one of those cool stainless steel cover plates with the DMC logo.

On a side note does anybody know what will have to be done to a Stage II engine if one wants to take there StageII to a StageIII?

[QuadcityDMC]

Call DMCMW, they get them over in Europe.

[Chris Burns]

That is a very nice Stage 2 engine!:thumbup2:

[thirdmanj]

On a side note does anybody know what will have to be done to a Stage II engine if one wants to take their StageII to a StageIII?

Thanks for the info on the SS throttle cover. But does anyone know the answer to the above question?

[Ryan King]

Thanks for the info on the SS throttle cover. But does anyone know the answer to the above question?

I have heard that Stage III engines will need a completely different set up. You can't just add them onto Stage II

[Farrar]

What does DMC do with the over-50k engines they remove from Stage II and III customers' cars?

Farrar

[DMCMW Dave]

Thanks for the info on the SS throttle cover. But does anyone know the answer to the above question?

Unknown. Design is not finished.

[Chris 16409]

I took some photos of my motor. This was installed/built in June 2011. I have 1,125 miles on it now.

I noticed you had 'DMC' on the hose leaving your coolant expansion tank. Do you have the silicone coolant hoses all around?

[1Mcfly4u]

I got my Stage II done down at DMCFL. I used to have a black throttle cover plate, but when I got the car back it was not installed. I also was told to run premium fuel, and noticed a significant increase in fuel milage (23-26mpg) this modification was performed to a stock engine will less than 20,000 . Besides the StageII I also had other work done down there. The StageII mod has performed well, but the "fixed" door locks broke again by the time I hit Jacksonville and a few weeks later one of the top nuts on the fwd drivers side Eibach shocks came off. I'd love to get one of those cool stainless steel cover plates with the DMC logo.

On a side note does anybody know what will have to be done to a Stage II engine if one wants to take there StageII to a StageIII?

I loved my Stage II upgrade for the whole week it ran when I got it back from DMCFL. My engine had 12k on it when I sent it down, she came back with a totally different breather, mine still had the DMC sticker on it, the sticker wasn't road rashed or worn or anything. When I got it back I had a plain black breather box with no sticker, I didn't get my Stage II badge in the engine compartment and as stated before the car ran exactly one week, I was fortunate enough to get it in the garage and she has laid there dormant ever since. I believe my bill came to a little over 10k including a rear main seal that if anyone at a show ever asks me about I'll be glad to tell them about. I wish I would have waited a while before I blew that wad of cash down there, I would have sent it to Josh instead.

[Delorean Industries]

Now I'm going with one of each, so it'll be an interesting comparison.

I"m excited to properly tweak your stage II platform when we swamp the power train into your new automatic car.

Is it open knowledge about the power train for your five speed car we are building or is that under wraps still?

[Dracula]

I"m excited to properly tweak your stage II platform when we swamp the power train into your new automatic car.

Is it open knowledge about the power train for your five speed car we are building or is that under wraps still?

Feel free to mention that one, however, an entire thread will need to be created when pictures are available, as that motor will be something special in and of itself.

[DMCFL Tony]

As I have been made aware of this thread I will say that when a car needs 10 things done to it and you only do 5, but one of them has to be a Stage II upgrade the rest of those items still need to be done or the car will not run for long.

That said, any work done at DMC Florida I am 100% responsible for and will honor, cover and or redo the job if necessary for free.

Tony Ierardi

[Dracula]

One thing I will say, negatively, about the Stage II is the Nology coil wiring. I think its useless and, as a result, leaves an unwanted component on the fiberglass. I also intend to remove the "Stage II" plaque from the engine, as it has resulted in more people asking me if my car is "one of those new ones they're building in Texas" and I don't care to explain that as often as it makes it necessary.

[QuadcityDMC]

The hose kit is from DMC Europe- the main cooling hoses left and right off the pipes have the DMC logo printed upside down so you can't see it. They have changed the printing of it now.

[Grover]

As I have been made aware of this thread I will say that when a car needs 10 things done to it and you only do 5, but one of them has to be a Stage II upgrade the rest of those items still need to be done or the car will not run for long.

That said, any work done at DMC Florida I am 100% responsible for and will honor, cover and or redo the job if necessary for free.

Tony Ierardi

+1..all issues should try to be resolved before bashing...thanks for the clarification Tony..

[David T]

A while back I helped a local owner out with his car. He was very lucky and not only got it cheap, it had recently got a Stage II engine! He didn't know anything about it and when he called DMCH to get some information on it James Espey offered to buy it from him for a lot more than he paid for it! Anyway it had been sitting for a while and the master cylinder was leaking so bad he couldn't drive it. After replacing it and driving the car it ran like sh-t. The motor had no power and a loud rapping noise from the left valve cover. It had only a few miles on it since it got the Stage II. I pulled the valve cover and the lifter for the front, left cylinder's intake valve adjuster had unscrewed itself and was laying on the cylinder head. I put it back together and adjusted it and checked the other valves which were OK. When DMCH built the engine they must have forgotten to tighten the adjuster. Anyway, once done the motor ran GREAT! I was very impressed with the performance and thought the Stage II label was a nice touch. IMHO if you have a Delorean with a blown motor a crate Stage II is worth considering. They did a great job creating the Stage II and can only imagine what the III will do! I would be careful doing it to an automatic, the transmission probably won't last very long with all of the additional power it has to handle.
David Teitelbaum

[Canon20DFan]

I had a Stage II with an automatic, I can tell you that it does not overwhelm the Peugot automatic transmission. I now have one of DPI's engine mods (ported, custom ceramic exhaust and new cams, I think) and it runs better than the Stage II ever did.


A while back I helped a local owner out with his car. He was very lucky and not only got it cheap, it had recently got a Stage II engine! He didn't know anything about it and when he called DMCH to get some information on it James Espey offered to buy it from him for a lot more than he paid for it! Anyway it had been sitting for a while and the master cylinder was leaking so bad he couldn't drive it. After replacing it and driving the car it ran like sh-t. The motor had no power and a loud rapping noise from the left valve cover. It had only a few miles on it since it got the Stage II. I pulled the valve cover and the lifter for the front, left cylinder's intake valve adjuster had unscrewed itself and was laying on the cylinder head. I put it back together and adjusted it and checked the other valves which were OK. When DMCH built the engine they must have forgotten to tighten the adjuster. Anyway, once done the motor ran GREAT! I was very impressed with the performance and thought the Stage II label was a nice touch. IMHO if you have a Delorean with a blown motor a crate Stage II is worth considering. They did a great job creating the Stage II and can only imagine what the III will do! I would be careful doing it to an automatic, the transmission probably won't last very long with all of the additional power it has to handle.
David Teitelbaum

[thirdmanj]

...That said, any work done at DMC Florida I am 100% responsible for and will honor, cover and or redo the job if necessary for free.

Tony Ierardi

Apologies, I was not intending to "bash". I should clarify that in regards to the retaining nut that some how rattled off the front shock, a new one was shipped to me free of charge, and all I had to do was put it on, no damage. As for my door lock issue, a solution was never agreed upon by Ken and myself. However the car will be being brought to a very reputable mechanic next Monday, and troubleshooting the door locks will be on the list of "to do's". I can forward the invoice if you like.

[DMCFL Tony]

Apologies, I was not intending to "bash". I should clarify that in regards to the retaining nut that some how rattled off the front shock, a new one was shipped to me free of charge, and all I had to do was put it on, no damage. As for my door lock issue, a solution was never agreed upon by Ken and myself. However the car will be being brought to a very reputable mechanic next Monday, and troubleshooting the door locks will be on the list of "to do's". I can forward the invoice if you like.

Our labor warranty is at our facility or any other DMC authorized facility.

If the part is faulty, send it back I will will get you a new one free of charge.

Thank you,
Tony Ierardi

[Delorean Industries]

I had a Stage II with an automatic, I can tell you that it does not overwhelm the Peugot automatic transmission. I now have one of DPI's engine mods (ported, custom ceramic exhaust and new cams, I think) and it runs better than the Stage II ever did.

Tweaked with custom ceramic coated exhaust, extremely aggressive camshafts that also offer a great idle and fuel economy in an automatic (yes our cam grinds are different between manuals and autos) and a few other tricks. Glad you are enjoying it!

[1Mcfly4u]

Apologies, I was not intending to "bash". I should clarify that in regards to the retaining nut that some how rattled off the front shock, a new one was shipped to me free of charge, and all I had to do was put it on, no damage. As for my door lock issue, a solution was never agreed upon by Ken and myself. However the car will be being brought to a very reputable mechanic next Monday, and troubleshooting the door locks will be on the list of "to do's". I can forward the invoice if you like.

I think that was aimed more towards me thirdmanj as was the first part of Tony's response.

[Canon20DFan]

Yes, I'm enjoying it. The most interesting side-effect of the DPI mods are how quiet the engine is. I used to have to raise my voice to speak to the passenger at highway speeds, but I don't have to do that now. The car is as quiet as a modern car with all the shrouds they put under the hood these days.

Tweaked with custom ceramic coated exhaust, extremely aggressive camshafts that also offer a great idle and fuel economy in an automatic (yes our cam grinds are different between manuals and autos) and a few other tricks. Glad you are enjoying it!

By the way, Josh, can you fabricate a new transmission for the Delorean? I'd like one, 6-speed, please, and be able to dynamically set the shift points (economy or drag racing). Please install by December, thanks.

[Delorean Industries]

Yes, I'm enjoying it. The most interesting side-effect of the DPI mods are how quiet the engine is. I used to have to raise my voice to speak to the passenger at highway speeds, but I don't have to do that now. The car is as quiet as a modern car with all the shrouds they put under the hood these days.


By the way, Josh, can you fabricate a new transmission for the Delorean? I'd like one, 6-speed, please, and be able to dynamically set the shift points (economy or drag racing). Please install by December, thanks.

Thanks to an LA owner who pointed us in a certain direction we are currently working with a transmission outfit in NJ to retrofit a custom transmission set up that can withstand our Spec III offering.

[Farrar]

Thanks to an LA owner who pointed us in a certain direction we are currently working with a transmission outfit in NJ to retrofit a custom transmission set up that can withstand our Spec III offering.

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[Delorean Industries]

Sorry Farrar..... Los Angeles

[Farrar]

Sorry Farrar..... Los Angeles

I figured that, since it was prefaced with an "an" instead of an "a" -- but my head still explodes when I think of custom transmission options for a DeLorean -- amazing!

Farrar

[Canon20DFan]

Spec III? Have I missed something?

Thanks to an LA owner who pointed us in a certain direction we are currently working with a transmission outfit in NJ to retrofit a custom transmission set up that can withstand our Spec III offering.

[Sidaries]

Interesting thread, but until now only the second reply was talking about the differences between the Stage 1 and Stage 2 engines. Can somebody explain me what are the upgrades compared to a stock engine?

[sean]

Interesting thread, but until now only the second reply was talking about the differences between the Stage 1 and Stage 2 engines. Can somebody explain me what are the upgrades compared to a stock engine?

As I know it:
Stage 1: Stainless Exhaust(Headers, Dual Cats and Muffler), K&N Filter, "Cold Air" intake duct and new coil and O2 sensor

Stage 2: All of the above plus modified performance cams with ported & polished heads.

[content22207]

new coil

Ignition coil? Does Houston use HEI on Stage I?

Bill Robertson
#5939

[sean]

Ignition coil? Does Houston use HEI on Stage I?

Bill Robertson
#5939

Yes ignition coil and no it does not appear they bundle the Nology stuff with stage I.

[content22207]

What brand of coil?

Bill Robertson
#5939

[sean]

What brand of coil?

Bill Robertson
#5939

Your favorite, Bosch.

[dmc6960]

Its a BRAND NEW old stock coil.

And it works great!

[Dracula]

Your favorite, Bosch.

I don't get this. Is there something wrong with Bosch?

[DMCMW Dave]

As I know it:
Stage 1:
Stage 2: All of the above plus modified performance cams with ported & polished heads.

Plus new fuel injectors.

[DMCMW Dave]

I don't get this. Is there something wrong with Bosch?

Not that I've ever found. :confused:

[sean]

I don't get this. Is there something wrong with Bosch?

To me, no. To Bill, well he's got a problem with most everything doesn't he?

:D

[Dracula]

To me, no. To Bill, well he's got a problem with most everything except Ford, doesn't he?

:D

Fixed it and NOW I get it.

[TTait]

Plus new fuel injectors.

New different, or new oem?

[DMCMW Dave]

New different, or new oem?

New from Bosch. OEM spec. They don't want a new Stage 2 running bad because of poor injectors (common).

[thirdmanj]

I didn't think I got new injectors in my upgrade, shortly after (maybe a month) I was having power fall out issues and brought it into the shop. they tested the injectors and found three that were faulty and needed replacement.

[1Mcfly4u]

I pulled one a few weeks ago, it had no spray. I wonder if I didnt get any injectors as well and thats why she quit running on me. Of course had I gotten the other 5 things out of 10 done, paint the fascias, paint the rims, blend the stainless, front end recall kit and new windshield my car might still be running :rolleyes:

[DMCFL Tony]

I pulled one a few weeks ago, it had no spray. I wonder if I didnt get any injectors as well and thats why she quit running on me. Of course had I gotten the other 5 things out of 10 done, paint the fascias, paint the rims, blend the stainless, front end recall kit and new windshield my car might still be running :rolleyes:

You did get new injectors.

I guess I should post your tech inspection here and the items turned down.

I'll take this as far as you want it to go.

[sean]

1Mcfly4u, you made it clear a few times you are not happy and Tony has stated at least twice he would honor the work. Please take future complaints about your situation directly to the source or they may be removed.


I pulled one a few weeks ago, it had no spray. I wonder if I didnt get any injectors as well and thats why she quit running on me. Of course had I gotten the other 5 things out of 10 done, paint the fascias, paint the rims, blend the stainless, front end recall kit and new windshield my car might still be running :rolleyes:


You did get new injectors.

I guess I should post your tech inspection here and the items turned down.

I'll take this as far as you want it to go.

[thirdmanj]

1Mcfly4u, you made it clear a few times you are not happy and Tony has stated at least twice he would honor the work. Please take future complaints about your situation directly to the source or they may be removed.

sean-
you're a moderator, not a censor. Explain to me why we can have what seems to be an entire page devoted to "ed bashing" and yet when one member shows a little bit of sarcasm that implies mechanics (not Tony specifically) at DMCFL fucked up, you threaten to censor his comment. While it is very gracious of Tony to offer his services to 1mcfly4u (and me) its kinda pointless because WE"RE IN VIRGINIA!!! and we're not rich. We simply can't afford to send our cars down there to have work done that may or may not be necessary because of a possible error on DMCFL's part.

Again, 1mcfly4u isn't "bashing" Tony like everyone else in this website seems to bash Ed whenever the opportunity presents itself. He's stating a fact. That as it happens was helpful to me and maybe others who read the thread. If the injectors on his car were replaced, as mine were, then why 1 month after he gets the car back does he pull one, and it doesn't function at all? Why in about a month did I have power issues and take my car to another shop and they find 3 faulty injectors? While I admire Tony's honor is accepting responsibility for possible oversights on his mechanics part. No one reasonable can expect him to stand over EVERY SINGLE CAR and monitor. For what its worth I know for a fact that the main mechanic who performed work on my vehicle doesn't work there any more, and in the year my car was down there they went through two different "head of sales" or whatever you wanna call them. Take that for what it is. But don't turn into a censor. 1mcfly4u is not being fowl, or downright insulting, he's frustrated and its apparent in his tone, thats all.

[sean]

sean-
you're a moderator, not a censor. Explain to me why we can have what seems to be an entire page devoted to "ed bashing"

Never said there was any bashing, and I can appreciate his situation but he has made it clear he is displeased and if he wants to voice it, start a thread about it in the review section. I don't want read about every time someone mentions a Stage whatever upgrade. You two are welcome to hash it out in a review thread but I'm not having it here.

[thirdmanj]

Never said there was any bashing, and I can appreciate his situation but he has made it clear he is displeased and if he wants to voice it, start a thread about it in the review section. I don't want read about every time someone mentions a Stage whatever upgrade. You two are welcome to hash it out in a review thread but I'm not having it here.

Nobody is "hashing" anything out. We're investigating and collaborating which is what a forum is all about. Why hasn't a DMC rep come on this thread and post a list of itemized details of what exactly is done to make a Stage II a Stage II. That would eliminate all speculation and this discussion would be over.

[sean]

. Why hasn't a DMC rep come on this thread and post a list of itemized details of what exactly is done to make a Stage II a Stage II.

Can't answer for them but I wonder what more over this do you want?


As I know it:
Stage 1: Stainless Exhaust(Headers, Dual Cats and Muffler), K&N Filter, "Cold Air" intake duct and new coil and O2 sensor

Stage 2: All of the above plus modified performance cams with ported & polished heads.


Plus new fuel injectors.

[thirdmanj]

Can't answer for them but I wonder what more over this do you want?

How about getting your answer verified then by a rep from DMC?

[sean]

How about getting your answer verified then by a rep from DMC?

Wouldn't DMCMW Dave's response to my post only adding new injectors to the list confirm what I said was accurate?

[1Mcfly4u]

1Mcfly4u, you made it clear a few times you are not happy and Tony has stated at least twice he would honor the work. Please take future complaints about your situation directly to the source or they may be removed.

The last part is more tongue in cheek as it was pointed out that I only did 5 of the 10 required things, I simply listed off a few of the things listed that were on my checklist of things for the car that were said "had" to be done.

I have no problem listing my two walkarounds, the original, priced at the tune of 26k, the second at 11k. The difference in the two was a simple question, What NEEDS to be done to make the car driveable and roadworthy again, 15k was taken off of the list.

I have not made this anywhere as near as public as I could have, I am simply giving my experience with the stage II upgrade. There have been a few people who have PM'd and emailed me about my situation and I have filled them in with a bunch of information and I am more then happy to share it with anyone else that asks privately.I've always said the Stage II was a great upgrade and I love it, the service on the other hand was less desirable but not horrible.

As far as the bashing, that's silly. I like thirdmanjs take on it, Ed gets bashed it's a good time for all, say something negative about someone else, it's hate mongering. I always thought this was an open forum to discuss, ask questions and vent concerns amongst our small group of owners. Apparently this is not so, so please Sean, Mike or anyone else that's a mod feel free to delete any of my bashing comments.

I find it great that Tony is offering to honor the work, I don't have 2k at the moment(1k shipping down, 1K shipping back) to take him up on it, not to mention this was three years ago.

[sean]

I have not made this anywhere as near as public as I could have, I am simply giving my experience with the stage II upgrade. There have been a few people who have PM'd and emailed me about my situation and I have filled them in with a bunch of information and I am more then happy to share it with anyone else that asks privately.I've always said the Stage II was a great upgrade and I love it, the service on the other hand was less desirable but not horrible.

As far as the bashing, that's silly.

First, feel free to share this situation in the review area. Second, where did I say bash?

[sean]

Gasohol gdiscussion can be continued here:
http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?1514-Effects-of-gasohol-on-our-D-s

[DMCMW Dave]

Wouldn't DMCMW Dave's response to my post only adding new injectors to the list confirm what I said was accurate?

Whoops - it wasn't quite accurate (my bad). Stage 2 also includes (in addition to what was mentioned) plugs/wires/cap/rotor. Effective last last year it also includes powdercoating the engine parts that get removed during the installation (intake, W-pipe, valve covers, timing cover).

[Dracula]

Whoops - it wasn't quite accurate (my bad). Stage 2 also includes (in addition to what was mentioned) plugs/wires/cap/rotor. Effective last last year it also includes powdercoating the engine parts that get removed during the installation (intake, W-pipe, valve covers, timing cover).

Darn it, looks like I missed out on a few of these. That's what you get for needing one earlier. Only my valve covers are powdercoated and it looks like an older job. Granted, I've put 20,000 miles on the engine since.

[Farrar]

DMC likes to improve their improvements. Unfortunately, that sometimes hurts us early adopters. (My car, for example, had Stage I put on in 2004 (I think -- would have to go back and find the receipt) when it was only exhaust, and it is not stainless steel.) However, it's a boon to those who wait for a little while to upgrade their cars.

Farrar

[content22207]

Unfortunately, that sometimes hurts us early adopters.

Good thing you waited to convert to carburetion until after the bugs were worked out.

Bill Robertson
#5939

[tgraham]

...Unfortunately, that sometimes hurts us early adopters. (My car, for example, had Stage I put on in 2004 (I think -- would have to go back and find the receipt) when it was only exhaust, and it is not stainless steel.) However, it's a boon to those who wait for a little while to upgrade their cars.

I might be wrong, but I believe that the price of the Stage 1 exhaust has increased as it has evolved, as well. No doubt related to an increased materials cost.

Travis

[Farrar]

I might be wrong, but I believe that the price of the Stage 1 exhaust has increased as it has evolved, as well. No doubt related to an increased materials cost.

I'm glad you brought that up, Travis. My use of the term "Stage I" turned out to be a misnomer: when I looked up the receipt, I saw that not only was I off by two years (it was installed in 2006 not 2004), but my exhaust is listed as "Performance Exhaust." Evidently, an exhaust upgrade was available as a stand-alone option at a cost of $1,500 at the time. I apologize for any confusion having arisen from my misunderstanding and faulty memory!

Farrar

[sean]

Yet....

Bill Robertson
#5939


And how, praytell, do you intend to achieve this? Purchasing a kit yourself and selling off the parts you don't need?

If this "conversation" is to continue do it here:
http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?95-Ask-Bill-about-carbing-a-DeLorean-and-other-K-Jet-Carb-tangets


EDIT: discussion moved over there.

[Farrar]

that hunting deal is a real turn off to me.

I have always been told two things about the (in)famous "DeLorean hunting idle."

1. It goes away once the engine is warmed up.
2. A properly-tuned engine will not hunt at idle, even when the engine is started cold.

Farrar

[Soundkillr]

I have always been told two things about the (in)famous "DeLorean hunting idle."

1. It goes away once the engine is warmed up.
2. A properly-tuned engine will not hunt at idle, even when the engine is started cold.

Farrar

Mine started hunting briefly, I re adjusted mixture with dwell and it hasnt hunted since.