identify door solenoid?

[dannyj75]

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Hi Chaps,
I am hoping you may be able to help identify where this door lock solenoid may have originated.

I was having trouble with the door looking system and thought it must be the solenoids. I purchased rewound replacement solenoids believing that when i pull the door furniture off the original solenoids will be dead and need replacing. however when i removed the drivers side panels I found the above had been installed. I am yet to remove passenger side trim but am sure that has also been changed.

I acquired the car in 2013 and was told that work had been done but the door lock solenoids was not on his list of replaced parts. The previous owner did say that most bits had come from DMC Northwest but here in the UK I am unsure if these solenoids were sold by them.

I am good with mechanical engineering but never worked on a door locking system before, so please excuse my ignorance/lack of knowledge.

DJ
Vin 3320

[Bitsyncmaster]

Those look like actuators. They wire up different than solenoids. Actuators only use two wires and you reverse power and ground to those wire to move the other way. The solenoids use one ground and two power wires. You power one of the wires to lock and the other gets powered to unlock.

[DMCMW Dave]

I recognize the black metal bracket that holds the actuator to the door. That is a Toby solenoid replacement kit.

http://www.delorean-parts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Store_Code=DPNW&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=K2500DP-DD

There are two versions of the kit, one for the original black lock module (includes a bunch of extra relays to make the change Dave mentioned) and one that assumes you have the upgraded lock control module (either silver, gold, or white plastic). Take a look in the electrical compartment and see which module you have. Chances are good that the problem is in the wiring and not the actuator. I've seen the actuators fail but it's pretty rare. Toby at DeLorean Northwest can probably assist you with some schematics to help with troubleshooting.

[dannyj75]

Thanks guys - I will try and return the original solenoids I purchased and look into fault finding with probable contact with DMC Northwest.

[dannyj75]

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I take it I have the first option described. Original door lock module with lots of adaptive relays combined with a keyless entry module at the back.
Any advice on where to start?

Should I replace the lot with something else or try to fault find and repair?

I am a real novice when it comes to this.

[Morpheus]

As Dave mentioned, you should probably contact Toby @ DMCNW. He can help you with troubleshooting.

[GS450-Junkie]

So let me wrap my head around all of this....

I only ask because my car was purchased with ZERO components installed as far as central door locking capabilities. 10 years later I read on Talk some threads about a central locking system in our cars and I remember thinking....holy shit, our cars can do that? Why didn't somebody tell me that? LOL Anyway....

After some reading on Talk....may I sum it up as follows: (Double check my work and also feel free to chime in to make your opinion on my decision)....

So to obtain this magical central locking "fun" I would be wise to order some actuators from Toby at DPNW. Those are the lightweight black plastic pieces that fit inside the door and replace those big heavy monstrousities that would probably be sitting there doing nothing. I'm guessing those originals are prone to failing as well.

I would also need to order a controller. This would either be a used black box from someone on Talk that was original equipment and prone to failure, but then again it could probably be found for cheap...and fixed with new components, or traded in at PJ Grady?? ....installed and it will do just fine. Or...I buy a white plastic digital box from Houston....which would do the same thing but would also allow remote entry down the road if I chose to add it later. Nice feature...but This route must be typically more expensive than the other option.

Couple more questions.... Does central locking only work on the inside? Or...do both doors unlock with me on the outside turning the lock open with my key?

Does remote entry flash your lights when locking or unlocking or sound the horn?, etc. (I'm guessing it's probably not that fancy.)

What does Grady charge for his services on module boxes and what options do you have thru him? His PM is full, and it' Saturday so I doubt he's at his shop. Anybody know?

Just wondering how many people have bought or upgraded and actually use central locking? Or...do a lot of people just unplug the controller and say to hell with it?

Thanks.

[Bitsyncmaster]

Both doors lock or unlock together using the key or inside button. You need to decide it the convenience is worth the effort to install your components. I like to lock my doors when driving so there is less chance of a door flying open when driving. You also get automatic unlock if the impact sensor sets turning off the fuel pump also.

[DMC-81]

Just wondering how many people have bought or upgraded and actually use central locking? Or...do a lot of people just unplug the controller and say to hell with it?

Thanks.

Hi there,

I was one who repaired and fixed the flaws in the original system. It took a LOT of effort and patience, but to me, it was worth it. It now works like brand new for roughly $80 in parts.

Here is the thread on my odyssey :

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?13059-Assessing-OEM-Door-Lock-Module-(DLM)-and-solenoids&highlight=Assessing

Cheers,

[GS450-Junkie]

That was an intense read...and I give you a lot of credit for taking on a project like that, but I'm really not interested in rebuilding anything. I'm really looking for plug n play. I've tried to disect Toby's door locking products on the website but man is it wordy. He has so many packages, and it gets a little frustrating trying to decipher what is what. It would be much simpler if he had some pictures of his products next to his descriptions because honestly they all appear to be very similar. I'll probably just call him and discuss.

[GS450-Junkie]

Both doors lock or unlock together using the key or inside button. You need to decide it the convenience is worth the effort to install your components. I like to lock my doors when driving so there is less chance of a door flying open when driving. You also get automatic unlock if the impact sensor sets turning off the fuel pump also.

With which system?

[Bitsyncmaster]

With which system?

All of the door lock ECUs will do both doors. The solenoids or actuators are wired in parallel so they have to work together.

Now I guess someone could separate the stock wiring if that's what was wanted.

[DMC-81]

That was an intense read...and I give you a lot of credit for taking on a project like that, but I'm really not interested in rebuilding anything. I'm really looking for plug n play. I've tried to disect Toby's door locking products on the website but man is it wordy. He has so many packages, and it gets a little frustrating trying to decipher what is what. It would be much simpler if he had some pictures of his products next to his descriptions because honestly they all appear to be very similar. I'll probably just call him and discuss.

Thanks! I figured that you wanted plug and play. I just wanted to provide info on the the potential issues (and the solutions) with the OEM system should you decide to buy a used one.

I'm sure someone will chime in on Toby's system. I heard great things about it.:thumbup:

[Lwanmtr]

A friend showed me his running Toby's system and it works great. Though he couldnt say on an installation level, since he had it done at dmcnw.

I've been talking to Toby alot and the Wings Aloft is on my list, I've already gotten rid of the old heavy (2 lb's each) solenoids and will be putting in the
actuators in the near future.

Contact Toby, he's very helpful in letting you know whats what.

[Elvis]

the solenoids are original, they work perfectly, and everyting was designed for them.

just install that fuse and they will never fail !


so why replace them with a plastic thing that has to fail one nice day ?
And mess with an extra bunch of relays back there ?

[Lwanmtr]

I like that the actuators weigh less than solenoids and use less power to work. And you dont have to mess with fuses or anything,,just plug em in n go.

Solenoids can fail...no part is indestructable...cept maybe that one nut thats critical to remove but no matter how much pb blaster you use it wont budge (but thats a different story)..hehe.