1981 auto - garaged project car - Jacksonville, FL.

[Bill6298]

Hello,

I'm selling a 1981 auto - vin 6298. $7,500. Jacksonville, FL. Buyer must pick up in Jacksonville and tow it from the storage unit. This car does not run.

I bought it in 2002. It was on the road for a few years and has been garaged ever since. I started an interior restoration as well as some other repairs and eventually it sat too long with the same gasoline. Currently, the fuel system is removed with a new pump, fuel lines, and some other parts still new in box.

Highlights

- 1981 Automatic - black dyed interior
- Flat hood
- ~62K miles on odometer - the engine has 5K miles since a rebuild around the year 2000; I drove it maybe 1,000 miles
- Clean title and garaged continuously since 2002
- SS body panels are in excellent shape; wide dealer strip
- Frame is in good shape - always been registered in FL or TX AFAICT from various records
- Dash is cracked and was discolored but was dyed black
- Driver’s seat cover was replaced and original passenger seat is in good shape; dyed black.
- Carpet is in good shape.
- Headliner has no problems.
- Tires are not good and need to be replaced.
- Fuel tank has been drained and cleaned thoroughly; lines flushed with temporary pump
- Fuel distributor needs rebuilding; injectors look bad
- Fuel system is partially disassembled and ready for a new pump and SS braided fuel lines I purchased
- The center console is disassembled with all parts bagged. The dash was not removed and is intact.
- Generally, the interior and exterior of the car is not going to be the primary cost for the restoration. This will require the usual mechanical effort to deal with a car that has been stored.

I have numerous new parts (NIB) including the combo fuel pump/sender from DMCMW, complete SS fuel lines from DPI, accumulator, fuel filter, (4) disc brakes and pads, new angle drive, and new struts for doors. There’s probably more but I haven’t taken inventory yet. I have the factory radio but a 2001 era radio is currently installed. I believe I still have the original radio mounting frame but I have the DMCH variant installed to support a regular sized radio.

When the car was garaged in 2002, this is what was wrong:

- Engine ran. Had an issue starting it in the mornings if parked outside and there was condensation.
- Needed new brake pads and rotors
- Speedometer was not working
- The oil pressure sending unit was leaking
- From the PO: "Driver's side window works but makes a noise when you hold the button down after the window is closed."

This is from the ad when I bought the car:

* Automatic antenna (many Deloreans have a regular antenna mounted in a front fender, this one has an automatic antenna hidden in air vent)
* All lights work, including the one in engine compartment.
* Exterior looks excellent
* Original stereo [Edit - since replaced]
* Harada remote starter [Edit - I ordered new keys as well from DMCH]
* New transmission
* New spark plugs and wires
* New fuel system: fuel pump, hoses, etc [All bad]
* New catalytic converter
* New radiator, hoses etc
* New door struts
* New rear speakers
* New A/C compressor
* New dryer
* A/C converted to new freon R134a
* Brake fluid converted to silicon

Pictures - you’ll see that just like my ad, I’ve tried to point out any flaws to avoid any surprises. On the body, the DMC Strip was removed from a damaged fender and attempted to be re-installed on the new fender. It tore.

This is a mix of older and newer photos. From 2002 and beyond, the car has been garaged and there’s no change to the exterior. Most of the engine or pictures under the car are from recent times when I was working on the fuel system. I will try to next some additional interior pictures next week because none of these are new enough. I’ll grab a picture of the mileage. It should be near 62K.

Exterior: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/kzanudmi4nicno3/AAAXlUbJORX88SPV2R93Zd22a

Interior: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/efxfbebknlpmzzv/AAA_-xcfwx5efx5MejyluOzta

Exterior and Under: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/9hd2mu1z2cvmgwn/AACFJh6aIoOHTursy2knHUe1a

Other -

It was originally sold to a man in Miami, FL by Toyota of Irving, TX in the 1980s. This was an original DeLorean dealer - #43105. I bought it from someone in Tampa, FL who owned it at least by the year 1997 and he sold it to me in 2002. It was in a front end accident in 2000 and that’s why the front fender was replaced. I could not tell there was any damage when I bought it except for the wide dealer stripe that could not be transplanted perfectly. The previous owner that did the repairs is still active in the DeLorean vendor community. I believe this was also one of the cars Walter Coe helped restore back in the day.

PM me if interested.

[Stephen1969]

Is the engine currently out off the car???

[michael-2487]

i am interessted

[Bill6298]

Is the engine currently out off the car???

No, the engine is intact. That's my fault for trying to include too many pictures and my inability to make the comment feature work. That was a picture from 20 years ago when it was going in.

The only parts of the car not fully installed/assembled is the fuel pump/sender combo unit, the fuel lines that were included in the DPI SS kit, I don't remember if the new fuel accumulator was installed (I think so), and the center console / radio area is not put back together. To play it safe until I can pop the hood and get more pics, assume all parts for the fuel system in the engine bay are removed and need the job completed.

Apologizes for the confusing pictures. I will fix that.

SECOND EDIT to answer some questions via PM:

- Clean title. It's a paper title from Florida. No lien holder (It's paid for). Not a salvage title. I've kept up registration and insurance since I got it.
- I've had a local person and another in-state ask to see the car this weekend. I am trying to get out of something that would allow me to be available Sunday otherwise I will be available next Saturday and Sunday for sure.

[motarhedd]

PM sent.

[Michael]

It baffles me the car has lasted this long. If I were closer I would be ALL over this.

This car as is on ebay would easily fetch 10-12k

[Oliver1212]

PM sent

[Rich_NYS]

It baffles me the car has lasted this long. If I were closer I would be ALL over this.

This car as is on ebay would easily fetch 10-12k

Roger that.

[dadoc]

Bill,

Is the car still available? I owned 7181 for years and sold it 6 years ago to satisfy unexpected financial challenges. I've missed it ever since and have been looking for another (even a project) to get my ass back into a "D".

Appreciate your reply. You can PM me at [email protected]

Craig



Hello,

I'm selling a 1981 auto - vin 6298. $7,500. Jacksonville, FL. Buyer must pick up in Jacksonville and tow it from the storage unit. This car does not run.

I bought it in 2002. It was on the road for a few years and has been garaged ever since. I started an interior restoration as well as some other repairs and eventually it sat too long with the same gasoline. Currently, the fuel system is removed with a new pump, fuel lines, and some other parts still new in box.

Highlights

- 1981 Automatic - black dyed interior
- Flat hood
- ~62K miles on odometer - the engine has 5K miles since a rebuild around the year 2000; I drove it maybe 1,000 miles
- Clean title and garaged continuously since 2002
- SS body panels are in excellent shape; wide dealer strip
- Frame is in good shape - always been registered in FL or TX AFAICT from various records
- Dash is cracked and was discolored but was dyed black
- Driver’s seat cover was replaced and original passenger seat is in good shape; dyed black.
- Carpet is in good shape.
- Headliner has no problems.
- Tires are not good and need to be replaced.
- Fuel tank has been drained and cleaned thoroughly; lines flushed with temporary pump
- Fuel distributor needs rebuilding; injectors look bad
- Fuel system is partially disassembled and ready for a new pump and SS braided fuel lines I purchased
- The center console is disassembled with all parts bagged. The dash was not removed and is intact.
- Generally, the interior and exterior of the car is not going to be the primary cost for the restoration. This will require the usual mechanical effort to deal with a car that has been stored.

I have numerous new parts (NIB) including the combo fuel pump/sender from DMCMW, complete SS fuel lines from DPI, accumulator, fuel filter, (4) disc brakes and pads, new angle drive, and new struts for doors. There’s probably more but I haven’t taken inventory yet. I have the factory radio but a 2001 era radio is currently installed. I believe I still have the original radio mounting frame but I have the DMCH variant installed to support a regular sized radio.

When the car was garaged in 2002, this is what was wrong:

- Engine ran. Had an issue starting it in the mornings if parked outside and there was condensation.
- Needed new brake pads and rotors
- Speedometer was not working
- The oil pressure sending unit was leaking
- From the PO: "Driver's side window works but makes a noise when you hold the button down after the window is closed."

This is from the ad when I bought the car:

* Automatic antenna (many Deloreans have a regular antenna mounted in a front fender, this one has an automatic antenna hidden in air vent)
* All lights work, including the one in engine compartment.
* Exterior looks excellent
* Original stereo [Edit - since replaced]
* Harada remote starter [Edit - I ordered new keys as well from DMCH]
* New transmission
* New spark plugs and wires
* New fuel system: fuel pump, hoses, etc [All bad]
* New catalytic converter
* New radiator, hoses etc
* New door struts
* New rear speakers
* New A/C compressor
* New dryer
* A/C converted to new freon R134a
* Brake fluid converted to silicon

Pictures - you’ll see that just like my ad, I’ve tried to point out any flaws to avoid any surprises. On the body, the DMC Strip was removed from a damaged fender and attempted to be re-installed on the new fender. It tore.

This is a mix of older and newer photos. From 2002 and beyond, the car has been garaged and there’s no change to the exterior. Most of the engine or pictures under the car are from recent times when I was working on the fuel system. I will try to next some additional interior pictures next week because none of these are new enough. I’ll grab a picture of the mileage. It should be near 62K.

Exterior: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/kzanudmi4nicno3/AAAXlUbJORX88SPV2R93Zd22a

Interior: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/efxfbebknlpmzzv/AAA_-xcfwx5efx5MejyluOzta

Exterior and Under: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/9hd2mu1z2cvmgwn/AACFJh6aIoOHTursy2knHUe1a

Other -

It was originally sold to a man in Miami, FL by Toyota of Irving, TX in the 1980s. This was an original DeLorean dealer - #43105. I bought it from someone in Tampa, FL who owned it at least by the year 1997 and he sold it to me in 2002. It was in a front end accident in 2000 and that’s why the front fender was replaced. I could not tell there was any damage when I bought it except for the wide dealer stripe that could not be transplanted perfectly. The previous owner that did the repairs is still active in the DeLorean vendor community. I believe this was also one of the cars Walter Coe helped restore back in the day.

PM me if interested.

[Michael]

Bill,

Is the car still available? I owned 7181 for years and sold it 6 years ago to satisfy unexpected financial challenges. I've missed it ever since and have been looking for another (even a project) to get my ass back into a "D".

Appreciate your reply. You can PM me at [email protected]

Craig

Yup and next week we will see it on ebay for 12k

[Bill6298]

Yup and next week we will see it on ebay for 12k

I didn't anticipate this scenario but I have received inquiries from folks who just want to buy it (without seeing it and having someone else pick it up) presumably to flip via eBay or some other auction site. It sounds like my valuation is off.

I've had some requests to snap some more recent and specific pictures. That's a fair request and I will go do that this afternoon. I know/remember the drill. Making a trip isn't always the easiest thing and more information is better.

[Michael]

Amazing how many lurkers venture out of the shadows for a low priced D.

As far as your price, if you want to give it away to someone so they can flip it, that's your decision.

[Rich_NYS]

I didn't anticipate this scenario but I have received inquiries from folks who just want to buy it (without seeing it and having someone else pick it up) presumably to flip via eBay or some other auction site. It sounds like my valuation is off.

I've had some requests to snap some more recent and specific pictures. That's a fair request and I will go do that this afternoon. I know/remember the drill. Making a trip isn't always the easiest thing and more information is better.

It would be reasonable & fair to yourself and others to accept offers above your asking price (if that's the direction the situation goes in.)

I sense the price on this car will get "bid up" like I've seen a few times in recent years. I called a few sellers last year who got responses from buyers offering above the listed price.

That reminds me....I need to follow up on a car that everyone thought was a scam [due to the low price] but I felt it was legit. That one had a guy from Germany offering the dude to buy sight unseen.

[Dangermouse]

I didn't anticipate this scenario but I have received inquiries from folks who just want to buy it (without seeing it and having someone else pick it up) presumably to flip via eBay or some other auction site. It sounds like my valuation is off.


I would hate to stop a genuine prospective-owner get a bargain, but equally I would hate to see someone just take advantage and simply flip it. I would suggest Bill checks out other threads in the "for sale" forum as well as BHCC and ebay

Or, as Rich says, if you have multiple offers at asking price, ask for their "best price". It's how real estate sales often work too.

[Bill6298]

I would hate to stop a genuine prospective-owner get a bargain, but equally I would hate to see someone just take advantage and simply flip it. I would suggest Bill checks out other threads in the "for sale" forum as well as BHCC and ebay

Or, as Rich says, if you have multiple offers at asking price, ask for their "best price". It's how real estate sales often work too.

Yeah - I will figure out a fair way to part with my DeLorean. I would like to see someone who wants to restore it get a good fair price but of course I don't want to lose a ton of value myself because of my own poor research. Most of us don't get into this for the profit. Honestly, I don't remember what I paid because I traded another car at the same time. I don't even want to do the math on how much I've paid on insurance, my garage rental fee at my apartment, and now the storage unit. :-)

If I could physically do the work myself, I would not part with it. I would have finished the fuel system job because now that I think about it... that job was almost done. I think I just needed to get the distributor rebuilt and that was the last expensive item regarding the fuel. If I had a lot of disposable money, I would send it off to fix the problems caused by letting it sit. I'm afraid that could be a very expensive option and it's an easy 2K+ roundtrip shipping just to find out.

Uploading some recent pics shortly for those who asked.

[Bill6298]

Current Photos: https://www.dropbox.com/sc/3ih23tidqhb1q5i/AADKMMG5uNQoLs5J12tYU4Vza

As I said before, the center console and radio area is removed. I have all the parts bagged. Putting it back together isn't that bad and nothing like dealing with the dashboard. The headliner is still in good shape. I didn't see any sagging and nothing has ever been ripped since I've owned it. Reproduction dashes were not available back when I dyed it from gray to black. Plus, I did not want the hassle of taking it out. It could use some touch up but I know I either have the exact bottle or picture of the stuff for an exact match.

I think the frame is actually good. I could not see it (too dark) without looking through my iPhone but the only rust I saw were on non-frame items. I assume keeping it from being stored outside helped.

Edit - the haze on the stainless steel is pollen.

[Soundkillr]

I don't mind the banter, but unnecessary comments have been deleted. Guys if you don't have something constructive or nice to say, please don't ruin the for sale ad with cut downs.

[Lough Shore Man]

Hi, Tom from Ireland. Would be interested in buying your Delorean. Let me know if its still for sale... Regards

[Michael]

Thread has no less than 7 members interested, some who have been here for years never posted anything, others joining just to grab it...bunch of BHCC vultures, wholesale buyers and the like. None of these people are going to restore this one, they are going to make a quick buck off your extremely low priced car by flipping or parting out, whatever gets them money the quickest.

[Delorean Industries]

But then I came along Michael. I will truly save this carat all costs if afforded the opportunity.

[Michael]

But then I came along Michael. I will truly save this carat all costs if afforded the opportunity.

I know you would make it like new again

I think my disdain goes back to my grandfather's 1967 442. He bought it brand new off the showroom floor, had everything, window sticker, two cancelled checks that he paid for the car with, all the hanger tags, manuals, everything. It was left to me from my dad and although I was poor on cash...real poor, I was determined to make that car just like it was when new when I was in a better place financially. It ran great, low miles, etc. At a very hard time in my life I sold it to my brother for a measley $1,200.00 only because he said "I really need a car right now" He knew I needed the money but I undersold it to him with the caveat that I get to buy it back because I wanted to keep it in the family. I even let him pay me 600 up front and make payments

He sold it a few months later at a huge profit..then he "paid it off".

Ever since then I have nothing but rage for the "sad stories" and the "I want to fix her up" BS whenever a giveaway priced car comes along. I get it ALL THE TIME on my gun sale pages. "I'm a poor military vet that needs a gun, will you let me have it for $$" Only so they can flip it the next day.

I'm with Rich. I wouln't mind seeing someone who really wants a D to fix up get it at a good price, but these people crawling out of the woodwork for this one just piss me off because I know their true intentions based solely on their history (make that lack of history) here on this forum.

After seeing those updated pics, thats a 11-12k car ALL DAY LONG! It would not suprise me to see that thing go on ebay for 14 to 15k with good pics and a well written description.

[powerline84]

Damn that's a great candidate for restoration I hope to see it restored on this forum. I am driving that way this weekend , only 4 hours from were I am at.

[DMCSPRINT]

But then I came along Michael. I will truly save this carat all costs if afforded the opportunity.

Alright Josh if you buy it and come down here to Jacksonville let me know, I am in St Augustine ( about 40 miles south of Jax) and would love to have you see my Delorean with all the items recently installed. Thanks

[Bill6298]

Hello everyone,

I've received PMs about the issue of a potential buyer reselling the car elsewhere. IMO, it is the buyer's right to do as they wish. Clearly the real issue is that my asking price was far too low. It is unlikely the car will ultimately sell at price that supports the buyer reselling it for a significant profit. Tomcio did right by me when he sold it to me and I'll do the same for the next owner. Tomorrow I will reply to today's PMs to figure out who is still interested. Like someone said, this happens with real estate from time to time and I am sorry if this frustrates anyone. I'll arrange visits for sometime after this weekend.

I've been an owner for quite awhile and have a lot of respect for the folks on the forums going back to the DML days in the late 1990s. DMCTalk has been particularly helpful to me personally. I'm not trying to cause any trouble here.

Apologies to the mods who I assume don't normally have to deal with drama in the "For Sale" section.

Thanks

Bill

[DMCSPRINT]

Well good luck and hopefully someone local gets it and restores it. Would certainly like to see more Delorean in this area.

[Bill6298]

Well good luck and hopefully someone local gets it and restores it. Would certainly like to see more Delorean in this area.

I agree. I do feel bad it's been sitting for so long. This car might have been in Florida its entire life. It would be cool for it to stay here.

[Sk8trboy61]

This would have to be the strangest "for sale" add I have ever seen?.. What happened while I was away? A fellow member wants a quick sale of his vehicle, so he offers it to the Delorean "community" first and all he gets is so called "advice" from "experts" telling him he is doing it wrong? Sorry I don't get it?
Lots of folks telling him "I would buy it if I had the money"..(sure that will help him! ) or "If I wasn't so far away"............and who cares what the buyer does with it? Or where they live? WTF has that got to do with anything? Guy wants to sell his car quickly so prices it well.? Someone tell me what is wrong with that? Or did I miss something?
I live on the other side of the world so I guess am I one of those "parasites " or "people coming out of the woodwork" as someone put it? So I cant buy it? I think BILL6298 just wants his car gone and money in the bank....and yes of course I would by it in a heartbeat......as I did 3896 when I bought that back in 2007 off a gentlemen on here ..............Same story! He advertised it well.....received the same replies as I see on this thread for this one !! History does repeat it self.:0....So he sold it to me (as he got sick to death of all the negative and non genuine "enquiries") , He asked "Do you want to buy it" I replied "yes" "Do you have the money"? Again "yes". He replied "Its yours" :) Deal done :)........... restored it and got it back on the road.....Sold it over a year ago and now want another one .....is that ok? Sorry if I "offended" anyone......good luck to the new owner :) :)

[Michael]

This would have to be the strangest "for sale" add I have ever seen?.. What happened while I was away? A fellow member wants a quick sale of his vehicle, so he offers it to the Delorean "community" first and all he gets is so called "advice" from "experts" telling him he is doing it wrong? Sorry I don't get it?
Lots of folks telling him "I would buy it if I had the money"..(sure that will help him! ) or "If I wasn't so far away"............and who cares what the buyer does with it? Or where they live? WTF has that got to do with anything? Guy wants to sell his car quickly so prices it well.? Someone tell me what is wrong with that? Or did I miss something?
I live on the other side of the world so I guess am I one of those "parasites " or "people coming out of the woodwork" as someone put it? So I cant buy it? I think BILL6298 just wants his car gone and money in the bank....and yes of course I would by it in a heartbeat......as I did 3896 when I bought that back in 2007 off a gentlemen on here ..............Same story! He advertised it well.....received the same replies as I see on this thread for this one !! History does repeat it self.:0....So he sold it to me (as he got sick to death of all the negative and non genuine "enquiries") , He asked "Do you want to buy it" I replied "yes" "Do you have the money"? Again "yes". He replied "Its yours" :) Deal done :)........... restored it and got it back on the road.....Sold it over a year ago and now want another one .....is that ok? Sorry if I "offended" anyone......good luck to the new owner :) :)
This isn't just some forum. We are more of a community here and some even consider family. We offer free help and advice and most here are more than willing to go the extra mile to help someone in need.
If that's too much for all the one post wonders that popped up here well you know what to do.

Nothing but a bunch of vultures that contribute nothing to the forum or the community. You swoop in on a under priced car then off you go to your next kill. You're just mad that we helped someone who wasn't in the know from making a mistake because it didn't benifet you financially.

[cravings]

michael

i didn't make an offer on this car. but just to give an example of a person... i don't own a delorean. i'd love to. i look at this, and other forums every day. i've been reading since before i registered. i rarely post.. i don't have much to contribute. i can't advise on anything really. i don't own a delorean, never have, really haven't much to share with you guys. so i have a low post count. but if the right car comes up for me at the right time.. i'm going to jump on it. because i'd want to buy it, fix it, run it, experience it etc. not to flip it.

of course there are many flippers out there, not denying that. but just saying that really you can't dismiss anyone with a low post count as a vulture. just saying, good luck with the sale O/p. i'm sure you can make a good deal with someone that will suit you both.

carry on...

[Michael]

Now that the OP has been informed as to the value of his car I don't care what he does with it. He can give it away if he wants, just like I would caution a new member against paying too much for too little car I will also do the opposite for new members (and old ones too for that matter).

[motarhedd]

I'd like to see mine in this area. Bill's car looks to be in much better shape than. :frown:


Well good luck and hopefully someone local gets it and restores it. Would certainly like to see more Delorean in this area.

[Riley88]

Good luck with the sale, I am sure you could get a bit more tbh. I'm not a fan of flippers, it makes me mad. Example I have been looking for a sterling which is a kit car. I found one close to me for 12k. Quite alot of what these cars go for, I read into and made a call and turns out that exact car was bought just to resell. Dude doesn't even have an interest in them. It is infuriating

[Bill6298]

Guys, I spent the day looking more carefully at the condition of my car and have decided not to sell it. I'm going to put more time + money into it and have figured out a way to overcome the problems I had getting it done. I appreciate the offline messages I received from the forum about my screwed up valuation and the encouragement not to give up in terms of getting it back on the road.