DeLorean Expo vs. DeLorean weekend? If you could choose one...

[Nuclearbacon]

Ok... dilemma. I want to go to both. I can't. Which led me think about if I could go to both, which one would I go to?

DeLorean Weekend???? (http://www.deloreanweekend.com/)

DeLorean Expo???? (https://deloreanexpo.deloreanowners.org/)

Which would YOU go to if you could attend only one?

I'd also like to take this opportunity to say how awesome it is to have a CHOICE of DeLorean car shows!!!! How spoiled are we!!!!!

[jackb]

I live in Las Vegas and will only be attending Delorean Weekend.
Two reasons- money and timing.

Money - Delorean Expo costs more, and in addition to that it hasn't been explained well what it is like (what kinds of "events" are included, like DCS does). It may be great, but it hasn't been "sold" to me, for lack of a better term. I even posted on their FB page asking this and got no response.

Timing - my wife is due to give birth the day after it. So I shouldn't be off doing my own thing when she's super pregnant/helpless, and unable to take care of our two year old. Plus, even if she could, l if she delivers early then I paid for something I wouldn't even be attending.

I've been to a DCS (Dayton, 2014) and Delorean Weekend sounds like it will be a more casual/friendly opportunity to mert with other owners than Delorean Expo will be.

[DaraSue]

I was lucky enough to get the time off to do both, but if I had to pick one it would be DeLorean Weekend, because I know more of the people there and they don't have as many early-morning events. :sleeping:

[Lwanmtr]

Lol..I got the time to do both, could maybe swing one money wise, but no transport...But I'd prolly pick D-Week, just cause its an excuse to be away longer...hehe.

[DMCVegas]

I live in Las Vegas and will only be attending Delorean Weekend.
Two reasons- money and timing.

Money - Delorean Expo costs more, and in addition to that it hasn't been explained well what it is like (what kinds of "events" are included, like DCS does). It may be great, but it hasn't been "sold" to me, for lack of a better term. I even posted on their FB page asking this and got no response.

First off, apologies for the lack of an answer on Facebook, etc. We've been a bit busy behind the scenes individually. I won't speak for the other board members, but for myself, we just moved out of Houston and back to Las Vegas. Between packing, driving, unpacking, job interviews, and all the other good stuff that comes with relocating (aside from checking in with our friends and family who got caught in the hurricane we apparently escaped), I missed the Facebook post. My bad there.

Anyhow, I can fill you in on the events, and what the DOA's Vegas Expo is all about.

First and foremost, we're getting away from Back to the Future. It's not that we're anti-BTTF in any way, not that we're "purists" trying to shun time machine conversions (personally, I love it when people customize their cars), but damned if the movie hasn't been beaten to death. 2015 has come and gone. It's time to move on...

What we're looking to do is to focus on the marque itself. To not only celebrate the history of the car, company, and man, but to focus on the total ownership experience. That includes the camaraderie of ownership, repairing vehicles, and even the unexplored history that many are not aware of. This is going to be an intimate show where we can come together and share our experiences. There will be no judging of cars. No looking down upon one another, but rather sharing stories and experiences. Hell, even exploring cars to talk about the production variations like wheels, etc. Get to know your car.

The driving tours and experiences are also meant to celebrate our cars, as much as they are our host city. That's why we have things like the Red Rock tour, & Bonnie Springs. Solid driving events with fantastic photo opportunities, and a taste of some of Nevada's history. Likewise with the Neon Museum to see Las Vegas' history with great photo ops under the stars. There is also the Shelby Museum. Sure in some ways it's a quick break, but did you know that after Chrysler took over AMC, they brought in Carrol Shelby to tune the Eagle Premier? The result being a Shelby PRV with twin turbos, which they have been digging in their archives to present the information for us to see another "what if" for the evolution of our engines.

Then we have our keynote speakers. The first being Michael Scheffe. Scheffe himself is a car guy, and he's going to speak about the mechanical aspects of the DeLoreans used in the films from a mechanical perspective. It's not going to be about special effects, but real, actual mechanical aspects we can relate to.

The second speaker will be Tom Calabrese. Tom was the sales manager for the local DeLorean dealership. He was there for the entire run, and saw DMC from it's inception to it's demise, and has seen it all from the perspective of a Dealer that sold brand-new DMC-12s. He has some great insight into the experiences of dealing with DMC, customers, sales, repairs, etc. It's a perspective that hasn't ever really been explored all that much in the past. And let me tell you, the man has some awesome stories & anecdotes to share!

Does the Expo cost more? Yes, yes it does. We have facilities that we're renting, guests we're bringing in, events we're organizing, etc. It's just a different show than DeLorean Weekend is. That doesn't make any event better, just different structures & styles. This is also the DOA restarting the Expos as well to build the club back up. It's small step, sure. But we're looking to bring them back, and make them events that people will want to attend.

[DMCVegas]

Confirmed: You can cancel up to 24 hours in advance without any penalties.

[jackb]

First off, apologies for the lack of an answer on Facebook, etc. We've been a bit busy behind the scenes individually. I won't speak for the other board members, but for myself, we just moved out of Houston and back to Las Vegas. Between packing, driving, unpacking, job interviews, and all the other good stuff that comes with relocating (aside from checking in with our friends and family who got caught in the hurricane we apparently escaped), I missed the Facebook post. My bad there.

Anyhow, I can fill you in on the events, and what the DOA's Vegas Expo is all about.

First and foremost, we're getting away from Back to the Future. It's not that we're anti-BTTF in any way, not that we're "purists" trying to shun time machine conversions (personally, I love it when people customize their cars), but damned if the movie hasn't been beaten to death. 2015 has come and gone. It's time to move on...

What we're looking to do is to focus on the marque itself. To not only celebrate the history of the car, company, and man, but to focus on the total ownership experience. That includes the camaraderie of ownership, repairing vehicles, and even the unexplored history that many are not aware of. This is going to be an intimate show where we can come together and share our experiences. There will be no judging of cars. No looking down upon one another, but rather sharing stories and experiences. Hell, even exploring cars to talk about the production variations like wheels, etc. Get to know your car.

The driving tours and experiences are also meant to celebrate our cars, as much as they are our host city. That's why we have things like the Red Rock tour, & Bonnie Springs. Solid driving events with fantastic photo opportunities, and a taste of some of Nevada's history. Likewise with the Neon Museum to see Las Vegas' history with great photo ops under the stars. There is also the Shelby Museum. Sure in some ways it's a quick break, but did you know that after Chrysler took over AMC, they brought in Carrol Shelby to tune the Eagle Premier? The result being a Shelby PRV with twin turbos, which they have been digging in their archives to present the information for us to see another "what if" for the evolution of our engines.

Then we have our keynote speakers. The first being Michael Scheffe. Scheffe himself is a car guy, and he's going to speak about the mechanical aspects of the DeLoreans used in the films from a mechanical perspective. It's not going to be about special effects, but real, actual mechanical aspects we can relate to.

The second speaker will be Tom Calabrese. Tom was the sales manager for the local DeLorean dealership. He was there for the entire run, and saw DMC from it's inception to it's demise, and has seen it all from the perspective of a Dealer that sold brand-new DMC-12s. He has some great insight into the experiences of dealing with DMC, customers, sales, repairs, etc. It's a perspective that hasn't ever really been explored all that much in the past. And let me tell you, the man has some awesome stories & anecdotes to share!

Does the Expo cost more? Yes, yes it does. We have facilities that we're renting, guests we're bringing in, events we're organizing, etc. It's just a different show than DeLorean Weekend is. That doesn't make any event better, just different structures & styles. This is also the DOA restarting the Expos as well to build the club back up. It's small step, sure. But we're looking to bring them back, and make them events that people will want to attend.

Good info, thanks.
Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to imply one was "better" than the other, I understand it's apples and oranges. The timing is really the biggest thing for me, by a big margin. If Delorean Weekend was next weekend and Delorean Expo was in 5 weeks, I'd be going to the Expo.

[DMCVegas]

Good info, thanks.
Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to imply one was "better" than the other, I understand it's apples and oranges. The timing is really the biggest thing for me, by a big margin. If Delorean Weekend was next weekend and Delorean Expo was in 5 weeks, I'd be going to the Expo.

No worries at all. The reason I bring that up is because the cost of attendance has been a popular question with people. That's all.

I agree that timing is a crucial aspect of things. I know for instance that Father's Day is a popular time for many car shows. Personally, I disagree with hosting a car show on that date. To me, that's a family holiday, and one where you should spend the time at home (or wherever you choose) celebrating in the company of family, and by giving your attention to them instead of a car. Particularly for those of us who either have, or may ourselves even be elders and such a trip may not be the easiest. Or worse yet, we've lost our loved ones, and then have to encounter others on such a day. So yes, timing is everything, and I totally understand.

[Iznodmad]

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No judging of cars? That's not what this says.

[DMCVegas]

And you would be correct. The decision was made to remove the judging portion, but it appears that the web site was not updated. I'll have that corrected.

Thanks for the heads-up!

[Iznodmad]

You're welcome. I guess I'm one of the few that enjoy the judging and awards. I believe it can be done and enjoyed by all without the "looking down" or negativity that was eluded to. Is this going to be true for all Expo events moving forward or is that not known yet?

[DMCVegas]

Good question.

No, the judging will return for future Expo shows. This is meant to be more of a casual social right now. The reason I mention the lack of negative competition is because that's something that I've heard offline as a complaint from some about past DOA concourse events; the smug superiority. That is something that I personally do not want. I am of the same mind here. I think that competitions can indeed be very valuable. For instance with Concourse it presents the opportunity to see specimen cars as they should have appeared from the factory. Likewise it also allows you to appreciate the variances in production, and respective oddities. Textured pontoons, outlined A/C panels, shifters, etc. I mean hell, not even I realized for a few years that I had mismatched wheels. And did you know that there are two kinds of spare tire wheels? Two kinds of dashboard VIN plates? It says "DMC-12" stamped into your muffler? Things like that are in my opinion good things to know, and very fascinating. Of course if this truly interests you, I highly suggest you start volunteering with Concourse in order to become an officiated judge.

Now this is also a good opportunity to bring something else up here. And that is new classifications of car judging. Concourse for example is great for when it comes to educating you as a buyer on what a proper concourse car should be. But we really don't have that for the rest of the cars, now do we? Sure we have some buyers guides, and that's great! But I want something more hands-on for an in-person example to help take the mystery out of buying a DeLorean.

I've drafted a list of these new classifications. This is something that I was planning on introducing in a future magazine article, but I'll give you a sneak peak here. I want everyone's opinion here on this as well. I'll avoid a long post with all of the minutiae for each category, but this is what I am proposing for the community:

Concourse
You know it, you love it. Doesn't change, but keep it in mind.

Daily Driver
Minimum 60K miles on odometer. Vehicle must be improved for reliability. I.e. 3-core radiators, fresh shock absorbers, silicone or new hoses, etc. Bluetooth radio for hands-free operation, fresh spare tire. Drivetrain swaps are prohibited! Vehicle must retain stock external appearance with exemptions for CHMSL, fog lights, & minimal ground effects. Approved lowering kits OK. Turbos & superchargers OK, but must be stock 2.8L PRV power plant.

Modified/Custom.
Drivetrain swaps, modified suspension like airbags. Custom bodywork allowed (i.e. custom sheetmetal, fender flares, etc.)

Daily Driver - Painted
Same as above, but allows for painted cars.

Modified/Custom - Painted
Same as above, but allows for painted cars.

Time Machines
BTTF Replica Time Machines, and whatever goes into those cars for screen accuracy...

Replica Cars - aka "New Build"
Tentative category for the new cars DMCH is supposed to be building. Determined by inspection of Federally mandated VIN Plate. As this category grows as cars are produced, it may be split off into sub-categories.



My goal here is to create an guide not just for competition, but for something that current or future owners can aspire to. Particularly if they demand a reliable car. I also want this to improve the desirability of painted and modified cars. Sure, they're not everyone's cup of tea, but I'm tired of painted cars getting dumped on by everyone just automatically assuming they're painted because they've been previously wrecked. They need a chance to be celebrated! Which is why ALL categories should also be subject to collision damage inspections.

Thoughts? Ideas?

[Lwanmtr]

Awe dang...Mine wont even qualify for daily driver category as there are only about 55k on the odometer Dont have a 3 core radiator (i think)..hehe.

[DaraSue]

Awe dang...Mine wont even qualify for daily driver category as there are only about 55k on the odometer Dont have a 3 core radiator (i think)..hehe.

IKR, I just passed 32k on mine so I've got another few years to go. Maybe if they give out a consolation prize for Most Bugs Smashed on the Front Bumper, LOL...

[Iznodmad]

Cool ideas and classifications. I hate to destroy the integrity of this thread, and perhaps we should offshoot it in the future. But since the dialogue started, here we go. In my opinion, there has been a steady decline in the desire to prep and display/show a concourse car. Yes, there is a manual to follow and such...but nobody really wants to do it anymore. This was apparent with zero entries of that type or even an offering for such at the last DCS. There seems to be much more acceptance in modifying the cars for greater reliability and usefulness versus years past. I'm not so sure a mileage cutoff is really necessary or even very useful for the classes as we know angle drives and speedo cables are subject to breakage. Also, any chance you would bring the expo back towards the east coast/southeast? Expo historically has been west coast based and DCS now appears more midwestern based. I'd like to see something based more where I'm located. Thanks for sharing your ideas!

[Lwanmtr]

IKR, I just passed 32k on mine so I've got another few years to go. Maybe if they give out a consolation prize for Most Bugs Smashed on the Front Bumper, LOL...

What about prize for most spiders booted/killed/etc from under the car while sitting? hehe

[DMCVegas]

Agreed. We should definitely offshoot this into at least two threads:

Future Expo Locations.
Future Vehicle Classifications.


Mods, please feel free to split this thread accordingly.

Speaking to the first item, underserved areas are definitely a priority for future Expos, and something we're looking at. I don't even know the last time something was in the Northwest, and I think that the farthest southeast DCS went (and correct me if I'm wrong here) was Pigeon Forge. And have we really made things accessible for Canadian owners? So yes, we need to get into those other, more dormant areas. If nothing else, looking at the same things, and driving the same routes gets boring. I mean, I do understand why organizers choose to have things close to them. There is a sense of comfort there. But in reality, we also need to come out of our comfort zone and get to those other areas, like the Southeast as you mentioned. With those father out locations, there is lots more driving to be had, which brings me to...

The second item of Vehicle Classifications. I am not putting down Concourse competitions. I want that to be clear as crystal. As I've always said, they serve a very important role for originality. Plus for the owner that wants more of a challenge, Concourse can certainly offer that by having to chase down rare parts and ensure that things meet a specific standard. Most of all, since the hobby allows to have certified judges, it greatly helps the community overall by creating more knowledgable people that can help spread that expertise across the community. Especially with enthusiasts and new owners entering that may need some guidance to buying a car.

Now having said that, however...

Concourse has two major downfalls in my personal opinion. First, since we only have two configurable options and rely upon production changes for variations, that can lead to less interested people in the topic. Where my concern then becomes a smaller pool of competition, which begets less interest. The second problem is that we've placed all of our focus on Concourse, and in my personal opinion which is mine alone, we've neglected the rest of the marque., As stated, painted cars suffer a nasty stigma with the assumption being that they were only painted due to accident damage. In turn that assumed damage always brings down the value of the car without any real validation. Then we have people who are afraid to even swap out their radio because we've pushed this whole "originality" thing upon them. Which seems like a spreading school of thought that any deviation from the norm is a bad thing, even if it improves the reliability, performance, or safety of the car. That is a huge concern for me.

If we're going to have car shows in more farther locations, we need people's cars to be reliable for those journeys. In order to do that, we need to set a standard for cars to aspire to. Even if a vehicle isn't enlisted as a Daily Driver, if someone wants to drive those distances, they should have a guideline on what to do in order to make their car more reliable to make that trip with piece of mind. The mileage restriction thing is still in flux as simply a proposed item. But it is my belief that we need these kind of categories in order to help build the marque. We raise a standard to which our cars should be held to avoid people buying basket cases that are being passed off as reliable when they clearly are not. That helps increase values for good cars, and yes, depresses them for project cars to help others get into the marque at a more affordable price. And for those cars which have been painted, or modified, we can give them their own recognized legitimacy to help boost perception and value of them as well. If engine swaps become more prevalent in the future due to block rot, or whatever, we can even give them their own category in order to ensure that the swaps were done properly to a community standard, and not half-assed. And if you prefer originality, this further boosts Concourse to clearly define originality and their values.

Most of all, don't forget that the DOA is your club too. We're open to input, and even additional people joining the board to help lend a hand.

[DMCMW Dave]

Concours = Car judging for originality

Concourse = where you wait to get on your Airplane.

[Lwanmtr]

Concours Concourse = Judging cars while you board a plane

[Iznodmad]

It can also be the area you walk around at an arena or stadium. I'm fully aware of the difference and can hardly bring myself to change what my phone does on autocorrect half the time because I'm lazy. I'd be way more careful if I was playing words with friends, scrabble, or some other game. Gotta love the grammar nazi people!

[DaraSue]

Back to the topic of car judging, IDK how feasible it would be to measure but maybe a better standard for the daily driver category would be mileage per year. Like, my car has fairly low miles because it spent 25 years in a coma but it's a reliable driver now and I've put 1/3 of its miles on it since buying it a year ago.

Just some food for thought...

[SamHill]

Back to the topic of car judging, IDK how feasible it would be to measure but maybe a better standard for the daily driver category would be mileage per year. Like, my car has fairly low miles because it spent 25 years in a coma but it's a reliable driver now and I've put 1/3 of its miles on it since buying it a year ago.

Just some food for thought...

That is much more interesting than judging. The first year could be your verification/ baseline year. Each successive year you could compete for recognition based on your use. Log books can be taken into account if necessary. It encourages use of the cars. I enjoyed the mileage awards in the old DW magazines.

[DMCVegas]

Mileage awards would be great. I love the idea of having an owner put their money where their mouth is so to speak. Not to mention it encourages use of the cars. As of right now though, the question of course is in regards to the logistics of it all for actually being able to verify those miles to deter cheating. That's the catch. Having said that however, I'm all ears for ideas on this for verifiable sources here. Likewise I also don't want us to be too intrusive when it comes to an owner's private information such as this.

One of the other proposed restrictions of course for Daily Driver categories would be that owners who have license plates which enforce mileage restrictions and/or emissions exemptions in areas which the vehicles would otherwise be subject to such testing would be disqualified from competition. Because of course those specialty plates are not meant for daily driver use.

Ideas?

[SamHill]

Mileage awards would be great. I love the idea of having an owner put their money where their mouth is so to speak. Not to mention it encourages use of the cars. As of right now though, the question of course is in regards to the logistics of it all for actually being able to verify those miles to deter cheating. That's the catch. Having said that however, I'm all ears for ideas on this for verifiable sources here. Likewise I also don't want us to be too intrusive when it comes to an owner's private information such as this.

One of the other proposed restrictions of course for Daily Driver categories would be that owners who have license plates which enforce mileage restrictions and/or emissions exemptions in areas which the vehicles would otherwise be subject to such testing would be disqualified from competition. Because of course those specialty plates are not meant for daily driver use.

Ideas?

I'm not attending either event so throw this all out if you want, but a mileage journal is good enough. Rules of Evidence place a great deal of credibility on journals because the kind of people who maintain them are usually diligent and not given to lying to themselves. Now if you want to falsify hundreds of entries of when you went somewhere, what you did and how many miles you went, just in the name of winning a $3 trophy and a mention in a magazine, you deserve some sort of award anyway.

Mileage restrictions and emissions have nothing to do with anything. Many special use plates laws deal with the kind of use, not necessarily mileage restrictions. In my jurisdictions, they specifically say it's not for primary transportation, and specifically not to-and-from work. Aside from that you can rack up as many miles as you please. Anyway, I don't give a crap. That's between you, the government, the tax man and your priest. You could, I suppose install confessionals at DOA events for violators to unburden themselves, or invite EPA officials to look at all the engine swaps and emissions violations. That'd be a hoot and a holler!

[Lwanmtr]

Well even easier, and would be up to the owners if they wanted to participate, but once you have the baseling (odometer reading at a given time), then after that it'd be easy to get that..just look at the number again. No need for a journal or that. Im restoring mine to be a daily driver, though not sure how many miles I'll put in a year..hehe.

But you could set up a thing where the folks who wanted to participate could fill out something and give the odometer reading and snapshot of their dash...that would give you a baseline...then at the events where you'd have these awards, you'd just look at the odometer itself and compare to the reading before it.

There should be some fun awards....cause I doubt I'd ever win a 'best resto' award....though, maybe oddest things done or something like that. Weirdest interior? (I'd consider plaid seats if i could win that one)...

[SamHill]

Well even easier, and would be up to the owners if they wanted to participate, but once you have the baseling (odometer reading at a given time), then after that it'd be easy to get that..just look at the number again. No need for a journal or that. Im restoring mine to be a daily driver, though not sure how many miles I'll put in a year..hehe.

But you could set up a thing where the folks who wanted to participate could fill out something and give the odometer reading and snapshot of their dash...that would give you a baseline...then at the events where you'd have these awards, you'd just look at the odometer itself and compare to the reading before it.



I don't necessarily think a journal is necessary either, just that it could be acceptable in lieu of a broken angle drive. I can't believe mine still works. It's on my death pool though.

[Rich W]

<snip> In my opinion, there has been a steady decline in the desire to prep and display/show a concourse car. Yes, there is a manual to follow and such...but nobody really wants to do it anymore. This was apparent with zero entries of that type or even an offering for such at the last DCS. <snip>

The offer was made to the Concours committee to have a Concours Event at DCS 2016. See discussion in thread listed below:

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?12080-DeLorean-Convention-and-Show-(DCS-2016)/page5

In my opinion, DCS 2016 was one of the best locations for a Concours Event, especially with the indoor, air-conditioned car display area
that many owners took advantage of, instead of having to detail their cars outdoors in 95 degree heat (even if in parking garage shade).
I know Marty (from Canada) had a much easier time detailing his award winning DeLorean in the indoor, air-conditioned convention hall
(over a few days), since the indoor parking was available to all DeLoreans from early Thursday morning to late morning on Sunday.

[Rich W]

<snip> I don't even know the last time something was in the Northwest, and I think that the farthest southeast DCS went (and correct me if I'm wrong here) was Pigeon Forge. <snip>

DeLorean Car Show (DCS 2012) at Hilton Orlando, Lake Buena Vista, FL

[DaraSue]

I wasn't sure what to expect from the Expo, but I had fun. Everybody was really friendly and nice. A lot of the people there had owned their cars since the 80s, but there was one older gent who had just gotten his a couple months ago so I wasn't even the newest n00b there, lol. I hope the next DOA event works out better timing-wise in relation to local group activities so that more people can attend without feeling like they have to pick one or the other.

[Nuclearbacon]

I would love to see photos of the show!

[DMCVegas]

Here are just a few quick pictures I took of the Hoover Dam excursion. I imagine we should be getting some more photos uploaded to the website soon. Both more of my photos, as well as the ones that other people took at the other events.

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As for the 2019 DeLorean Owners Association Expo, I can tell you that planning has already begun. The initial e-mail exchanges have already started. So yes, we will have an announcement much, MUCH earlier the next time around, and a much bigger event to boot.

[DaraSue]

Here are some of the ones I posted in my other thread: 534085340953410534115341253413

Plus a couple of outtakes: 53414 534155341653417

I usually try to avoid showing humans in my pictures but we got swarmed by interested bystanders everywhere we stopped so I didn't get as many of just the cars as I would have liked, lol...

[Nuclearbacon]

SO COOL!! Thank you for sharing!

[DaraSue]

SO COOL!! Thank you for sharing!

Sorry you couldn't make it, but I hope you'll still come to DW! I'll be there, and I think Robert was planning on going, too. Should be another fun event!



As for the 2019 DeLorean Owners Association Expo, I can tell you that planning has already begun. The initial e-mail exchanges have already started. So yes, we will have an announcement much, MUCH earlier the next time around, and a much bigger event to boot.

I've heard the Pacific Northwest and Denver mentioned as "underserved areas" but I know there are active clubs in both those places, so it would be good if the DOA could work with them if the event ends up being held in one of those areas. Bigger event + more people = more fun for everybody, right?

[Nuclearbacon]

Sorry you couldn't make it, but I hope you'll still come to DW! I'll be there, and I think Robert was planning on going, too. Should be another fun event!

I'm really trying to go to DeLorean Weekend. But as of this minute, I have no brakes (apart in a million pieces)

But! I'm aiming for it!!! :)

[DaraSue]

I'm really trying to go to DeLorean Weekend. But as of this minute, I have no brakes (apart in a million pieces)

But! I'm aiming for it!!! :)

You've got three weeks, you can do it!

I dumped my pix from my real camera and found a good one of all four of the cars at Red Rock:53454

[Nuclearbacon]

You've got three weeks, you can do it!

My brakes are done! They just need to be bled! (This weekend)

This... may happen!

[DaraSue]

My brakes are done! They just need to be bled! (This weekend)

This... may happen!


Excellent! Hope we'll see you and your car there!

[Lwanmtr]

Whats the hotel closest to it? I may try and get there..but my car wont be (still in limbo)

[DaraSue]

Whats the hotel closest to it? I may try and get there..but my car wont be (still in limbo)

A lot of activities are going to be at the organizers' home which is in a residential area west of the Strip. Some of the other meets are going to be at Springs Preserve and Silverton Casino. Right now the cheapest listings on Expedia on the west side are Arizona Charlie's to the north and Motel 6 to the south. HoJos on Tropicana is cheaper still so if you don't actually have a DeLorean with you to worry about drunks standing on the hood of to take instagram pix, you could probably do that. Hope you can make it!

(Here's the DW website that says where the events are going to be: http://deloreanweekend.com/)

[Lwanmtr]

Looking at the site and just wondering if the events that say 'delorean owners only' mean you gotta have a car there?

Only location Im familiar with is Henderson...where I know there is a comfort inn...hehe.

[DaraSue]

Looking at the site and just wondering if the events that say 'delorean owners only' mean you gotta have a car there?

Only location Im familiar with is Henderson...where I know there is a comfort inn...hehe.

No, as far as I know it just means you have to be a registered member of the convention. The ones that don't say that are going to be in public where interested spectators cans come and gawk. :)

I don't have a lot of hotel recommendations either, the one I'm booked at is full. I've stayed at the motel 6 on Tropicana a bunch of times but the parking lot is always packed. I never felt like I was going to be stabbed or anything in that area. Circus Circus was ok but horrible speed bumps in the garage. Stratosphere, El Cortez and Palace Station were decent, no trouble parking the car at the latter two (didn't have it at the Stratosphere). If you want to roll the dice there are plenty of trashy motels on/near the strip that don't advertise on Expedia. I think I stayed at one called the Pink Motel or something on the north end by the Stratosphere once and lived to tell the tale (this was years before I had the budget for a DeLorean, obviously)... :cool:

The other thing you can do is, if you register, we have a text chat group and you could ask around and see if anybody wants to split a room. (Not me, though. I don't sleep well with others.)

[DaraSue]

DeLorean Weekend was a blast! Got to see some of you guys there, hope we'll see some more of you next year! Here are some more pix:

From the meetup at Springs Preserve on Thursday: 53988

Excursion to El Dorado on Friday: 53989 53990 53991

Great minds think alike: 53992

Chris M's red car: 53994

We were all pretty beat by Sunday so we only did the short drive around Red Rock and then went straight to Handel's Ice Cream: 53993 (bonus points if you recognize the gentleman on the cellphone, lol)

It was a fun time, a lot of diverse cars and owners. Dinner Saturday night featured presentations from Terri and Oliver Holler, Kevin Krinn, Dave Tavres, Jay Shetlin and Rob Grady which were all really interesting. There was a videographer recording everything so we'll probably be able to see those online soon.

I had a great time at both of these events and I'm glad I got to do both. The next DeLorean Weekend will probably be around the same time next year and I highly recommend it! :rollin::partyhat:

[DMC5180]

Rob Grady

[Lwanmtr]

Sounds like it was a blast....I'm making my plans for the one in 2027

[PJ Grady Inc.]

Rob Grady

What?

[DMC5180]

53993 (bonus points if you recognize the gentleman on the cellphone, lol):


What?

I answered the question, that’s what! [emoji4]

[PJ Grady Inc.]

I answered the question, that’s what! [emoji4]
He is an imposter! I was sleeping at the time.
Rob

[DMC5180]

He is an imposter! I was sleeping at the time.
Rob

That’s your story and your sticking too it . [emoji6]

[Iznodmad]

Well, isn't that interesting. The weekend drew more cars than the expo did. My suspicions for a while have been that the modern community prefers a laid back and less expensive meet vs the "pomp and circumstance" of the past. Now if we could only kinda mesh the two types together to get larger car counts.

[DaraSue]

Well, isn't that interesting. The weekend drew more cars than the expo did. My suspicions for a while have been that the modern community prefers a laid back and less expensive meet vs the "pomp and circumstance" of the past. Now if we could only kinda mesh the two types together to get larger car counts.

There were definitely a lot more of the younger/newer owners at DW. That said, DCS still does pretty well, doesn't it? I think people are willing to spend the money on a big show when it's a known quantity, but after 17 years off, DOA was basically starting fresh and a lot of people weren't clear on what they were getting for their fees. That, combined with the Expo's proximity to another established event in the same area that had been announced quite a while beforehand, was a big factor in the different levels of turnout, I suspect. (I know Rob R has said that they were always intended to be very different events but I don't think a lot of people saw it that way, especially when the Expo was going to do some of the same driving tours that were already planned for DW.)

The next Expo AFAIK will be in a different area so the question of one event vs. the other should be a moot point, but I agree that there should be more collaboration between DOA and local clubs if the next one is held in an area where there's already an active group. DeLorean ownership and appreciation shouldn't be a competition and I think we can all learn and benefit from each other's experiences. :grouphugg:

[Nuclearbacon]

Any talk of going back to Belfast?

[DMC5180]

Traditionally, the Belfast expo happens in 5 year intervals. The next would be in 2021 if it happens.

[Lwanmtr]

Belfast is a bit of a long drive from here...hehe

[Iznodmad]

I wasn't and am not trying to be negative. I'm gathering from my 20+ years in this community. Having an event near a club/cars is no guarantee of success. A look at DCS Orlando would tell you that. Unfortunately, DCS appears to be on the verge of collapse. There is still a big "IF" out there last I heard on next summers show. I have been running and organizing the North Carolina area for a long time. It is difficult to find people interested in attending and also finding dates that work for the majority of people. There are a very small few that attend every single time, turnover is high on ownership (so you lose a lot that way), and it is difficult to find new owners as well. And this is when it is FREE! Add significant $ to the equation and all bets are off. Btw, how many were "repeaters" between the two LV events?

[DaraSue]

I wasn't and am not trying to be negative. I'm gathering from my 20+ years in this community. Having an event near a club/cars is no guarantee of success. A look at DCS Orlando would tell you that. Unfortunately, DCS appears to be on the verge of collapse. There is still a big "IF" out there last I heard on next summers show. I have been running and organizing the North Carolina area for a long time. It is difficult to find people interested in attending and also finding dates that work for the majority of people. There are a very small few that attend every single time, turnover is high on ownership (so you lose a lot that way), and it is difficult to find new owners as well. And this is when it is FREE! Add significant $ to the equation and all bets are off. Btw, how many were "repeaters" between the two LV events?

Oh, I wasn't trying to take your post in a negative way or anything, just musing on some possible other factors besides the cost. (I've brought these same issues up when giving feedback to the DOA organizers, because I genuinely did enjoy the event and would like to see the next one avoid some of these pitfalls.)

Re: DCS, I thought the issue was more that the organizers had other stuff going on and didn't have as much free time to devote to it? Can you or anyone who's been to several of them comment on how attendance has been over the years?

There wasn't a lot of crossover between DW and DOA this year. I think the only people who did both were me and Rob R (DMC_Vegas). There might have been more participation from locals if the events had been spaced farther apart but I think the higher cost for the Expo plus the perception that the DOA was trying to compete with DW kept a lot of people away. It's too bad, really. Everybody at both events was nice, and it would have been fun to get them all together.

This was my first DW but from talking to the organizers it sounds like their attendance has been steadily increasing over the years. So the lower-cost, more casual model is definitely something with wide appeal, that other event organizers would want to consider. (I've made that suggestion for future DOA events too, because people obviously don't want to pay DCS-level fees without some assurance that they're going to get a DCS-style event, and we're just not there yet.)

[Iznodmad]

I can comment on the DCS attendance. However, you must keep in mind that it is in a transition phase. The last event in Springfield, IL, was the first for the new organization. I was there and best I can recall it was roughly 45-50 cars. Most Ken K DCS shows were in excess of 100 cars. Except the Orlando show which was also in the 45-50 car count. Florida has tons of owners, but for whatever reason they didn't really "support the show" and bring the cars. Location is key and staying close enough to the "core" owners that almost always attend is important to keep car count up. There was probably a large amount of people sitting back taking a "wait and see what this new group is about before we attend" going on too. I love the shows that have been indoors, and that surely increases the cost and time involved for the organizers. The larger shows were "piggybacked" with BTTF stuff, which appeals to the masses and will drive more people to attend. I prefer to focus more on the non BTTF aspect, but that is me and I may be in the minority there. Fact is, we all enjoy different aspects (judging, tech talks, BTTF stuff, vendors, history aka former factory workers, museum, etc) and the more you try and please everyone, the more time it takes and the greater the cost. It is not easy and I'm not trying to talk down to anyone that has tried and/or is trying to organize something. I know because I've been there first hand. The timing was way different as well, old DCS was Father's Day weekend, new one was late July and now pushing back to August. The August will be difficult for me personally since my wife is already back at work then and also bad for those with college aged kids. There are tons of factors involved obviously. Not to mention the cars are continually aging and not everyone wants to drive and/or trailer their car to the show. I think it is good to discuss out in the open though.

[DaraSue]

Hmm, I'd be curious to hear from Floridians who were around back then, why that particular DCS did or didn't appeal to them?

Maybe the heyday of big conventions really has passed. I'm kind of bummed that I missed some of the huge gatherings, but I guess I'm still in that honeymoon phase of new ownership where I want to go to everything I can, and anything short of a Dashcon-esque disaster is going to be worth it to me, heh.

I kind of want to start a survey of what owners would like to see from meetups as far as costs, events, how far they'd be willing to travel. Maybe this should get spun off into its own thread...

[Rich W]

I can comment on the DCS attendance. However, you must keep in mind that it is in a transition phase. The last event in Springfield, IL, was the first for the new organization. I was there and best I can recall it was roughly 45-50 cars. Most Ken K DCS shows were in excess of 100 cars. Except the Orlando show which was also in the 45-50 car count. Florida has tons of owners, but for whatever reason they didn't really "support the show" and bring the cars. Location is key and staying close enough to the "core" owners that almost always attend is important to keep car count up. There was probably a large amount of people sitting back taking a "wait and see what this new group is about before we attend" going on too. I love the shows that have been indoors, and that surely increases the cost and time involved for the organizers. The larger shows were "piggybacked" with BTTF stuff, which appeals to the masses and will drive more people to attend. I prefer to focus more on the non BTTF aspect, but that is me and I may be in the minority there. Fact is, we all enjoy different aspects (judging, tech talks, BTTF stuff, vendors, history aka former factory workers, museum, etc) and the more you try and please everyone, the more time it takes and the greater the cost. It is not easy and I'm not trying to talk down to anyone that has tried and/or is trying to organize something. I know because I've been there first hand. The timing was way different as well, old DCS was Father's Day weekend, new one was late July and now pushing back to August. The August will be difficult for me personally since my wife is already back at work then and also bad for those with college aged kids. There are tons of factors involved obviously. Not to mention the cars are continually aging and not everyone wants to drive and/or trailer their car to the show. I think it is good to discuss out in the open though.

A few clarifications on DCS 2016 here, while an update on DCS 2018 can be found under DaraSue's [DCS 2018?] thread.

DCS 2016 had 75 DeLoreans registered and 61 DeLoreans attended, with a total of 55 DeLoreans displayed indoors.

With the exceptions of DCS 2012 (FL) and DCS 1998 (Cinci), Ken had 100+ DeLoreans at all of his other DCS Events.

DCS 2012 was more of a destination event, and more owners attended with families (either flying in or driving mini-vans).

Pre-DCS 2016 was always Father's Day weekend. DCS 2016 and future DCS Events (?) will not be Father's Day weekend.

Registration and other costs were kept low with Raffle Car fundraising. Unfortunately, there will be no Raffle Car for 2018,
therefore, expect higher Registration costs, but other costs will be similar. The minimum 1 dinner requirement is removed.

August was selected to allow for one of our anticipated Keynote Speakers to attend (only available during August) and the
first weekend of August had conflicts for several guests, while the second weekend of August had another car show booked.

Some folks had difficulty attending Father's Day weekend, while other's cannot attend later next August, for various reasons.
For now, DCS is Not "locked-in" to a specific weekend, which helps to reduce costs for off-peak or otherwise available dates.

Again, more DCS 2018 details can be found under DaraSue's [DCS 2018?] thread.

Thanks,
Rich W. [for the DCS 2018 Planning Team]

[DMC5180]

Lowest attendance of cars shown on DSC Saturday was 42 at Orlando. As I recall the banquet/ cars show hall was to capacity. I don’t think you could have squeezed another car in. Then space was also shared with Vendor tables too. The largest DCS attendance was Gettysburg. I believe the final car count was over 150 in attendance. We also had the Bricklin Owners National show at that event as well as 2 other DCS shows.