Side marker LED not as bright

[DMC-Ron]

I had ordered the DMC LED replacement bulbs for the side-marker lights. Put the amber left front in and was a little disappointed. They aren't nearly as bright as the original incandescent bulb. Just wondering if others have noticed the same. Makes me consider staying with the original bulb, unless someone has a brighter source for the LED replacement. These are not the more standard wedge type running lights found on newer cars which have many LED replacement options. And I'm not too keen on changing the bulb socket.

Ron

[Christian Dietrich]

Nope. Maybe check the lumens of the bulbs you ordered? Or for corroded sockets which will also play an effect on how bright they are. I ordered my side marker lights from superbrightled.com and I've had no issues whatsoever and they are extremely bright. In these two pictures you can see how bright they are, the first picture is in the early evening and the second one is about at 5:30 in the morning at work and you can see the light being cast onto the ground on the sides. These are the bulbs that I used and I also provided a lumens chart to show you how bright.https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170903/b1daff119a6e7c392b8b5a040ac71a6c.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170903/765573fa5080919fb94fc217c8c6c7cd.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170903/0f5208946d437585983d3946769e817b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170903/e101de1393314a096a6d9f7ba34588ec.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170903/ebea39d7cf4b5b1bb78baa0ddebcb24d.jpg

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[Michael]

Swap sides, then you will know if it's the bulb or not. Orange and yellow bulbs in LED are usually pretty dim and I have never seen a truly bright orange. Maybe the ones Christian bought are really white with an overlay embedded in them. Amber and yellow led bulbs are pretty dim. They only put out around 5,000 mcd. The brightest are blue, green, and white which range from around 17k to over 20k mcd. Red is usually bright enough but the output is around 14k mcd and each needs different voltage requirements an/or resistors values.

I made some "electronic reflectors" for my motorcycle about a year ago using COB led boards. (If I ever do marker lights in LED I will use COB technology). The red was fine but the amber for the front forks was dismal. Since I knew white was always bright(about 20,000+ mcd) I ordered a pair in white and used a yellow overlay of monocoat(adhesive model radio control aircraft covering) to give the the look I was after.
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[Christian Dietrich]

That's definitely sharp-looking Michael and I never heard of that technology before the definitely sounds interesting. Like I said I ordered all mine from super bright and they've been in for over 2 years now and are still really bright and cast out a really nice glow but as far as their assembly process isn I can't answer that. I ordered the same set for my friend's car and when I went to install them I noticed they didn't seem as bright as mine and I noticed there was a like a lot of corrosion and sediment inside the socket so I cleaned it all out with contact cleaner and put a little miniature wire brush on my Dremel and cleaned out the inside of the socket and that made a hell of a difference.

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[Bitsyncmaster]

Red LEDs have the lowest output at the present time. Look at the "lm" output of the data Christian posted. Red is only 15 lm.

The lens has a little to do with the brightness also.

[DMC-Ron]

Michael, I'll try the swap and see. The incandescent bulb was nice and bright before the LED replacement. Noticed that the bulb socket had some corrosion so I treated it with Corrosion X. When I do the bulb swap, I'll hold off on the treatment to see if that has any affect.

Christian, I'll order and try some of the products available from superbrightled.com and report back. I'm a little surprised that the 5 SMD LED tower bulb will fit. There's not much head room for the bulb in the side-markers. If they do, fantastic, they should be very bright. Your car looks great so I'm looking forward to giving them a try. Thanks for the tip.

Ron

[Christian Dietrich]

Michael, I'll try the swap and see. The incandescent bulb was nice and bright before the LED replacement. Noticed that the bulb socket had some corrosion so I treated it with Corrosion X. When I do the bulb swap, I'll hold off on the treatment to see if that has any affect.

Christian, I'll order and try some of the products available from superbrightled.com and report back. I'm a little surprised that the 5 SMD LED tower bulb will fit. There's not much head room for the bulb in the side-markers. If they do, fantastic, they should be very bright. Your car looks great so I'm looking forward to giving them a try. Thanks for the tip.

RonYeah I took a snapshot of those bulbs and you can actually look up bulbs for the DeLorean on that website and it doesn't list every single one of them but you still can find other alternatives on there. I think it list bulbs for the tail lights but I was able to put a taller LED bulb in the tail light to make it even brighter. This side marker lights the bulb goes right up against the lens but steel clamps into the back of the lens fine. I have a little bit of corrosion in mine and LEDs are very sensitive two resistance so like I said I used some contacts spray for electronic components and put a small little wire brush on the end of my Dremel and I ran it all through there and it made one hell of a difference. The pictures I sent you that you seen of my car are not digitally enhance at all and they really are just that bright. Please do get back with me because I would like to know what your outcome is [emoji3]

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[DMC-Ron]

Yeah I took a snapshot of those bulbs and you can actually look up bulbs for the DeLorean on that website and it doesn't list every single one of them but you still can find other alternatives on there. I think it list bulbs for the tail lights but I was able to put a taller LED bulb in the tail light to make it even brighter. This side marker lights the bulb goes right up against the lens but steel clamps into the back of the lens fine. I have a little bit of corrosion in mine and LEDs are very sensitive two resistance so like I said I used some contacts spray for electronic components and put a small little wire brush on the end of my Dremel and I ran it all through there and it made one hell of a difference. The pictures I sent you that you seen of my car are not digitally enhance at all and they really are just that bright. Please do get back with me because I would like to know what your outcome is [emoji3]

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Will do. Placed an order. Also ordered some blue LEDs for underglow affect. Looking forward to installing.

I do get concerned when the LED is right up against a plastic lens. Some of the more powerful LEDs run pretty hot. Sure don't want to melt a lens.
Thanks,
Ron

[Christian Dietrich]

Looking forward to the pictures. Mine been in my car for over 2 years now and the lens are perfectly fine [emoji16]

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[Christian Dietrich]

Here are some better shots of my car in the evening I just took the other day and you could see how bright the side marker lights are and I used my regular old camera phone. I think after maybe you clean out the sockets and everything that you're going to be just finehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170911/d2e579b2a661e8fc93ef812c96d2de53.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170911/007abb5ac502141de4da3e1b895ef8d4.jpg

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[DMC-Ron]

Thanks for sharing the pictures. Your side-markers do indeed look nice a bright.

When I get a break from my other work projects, I will try to do some comparison photos. I have five different LED side marker bulbs in hand. No doubt end up with your solution, but always good to show comparisons between the choices.

Ron

[Shep]

Had a thought: what color did you put where? LED's need to match the housings' color, so white won't work in red, red won't work in amber, etc.

Five LED guys fit well and are quite bright. The base can also rotate, and I strongly suggest making two of the side-firing LED's face the longest parts, and two face up/down. The up/down guys won't do much, but the left/right guys will do wonders for illuminating the long stretch that the incandescent bulbs just suck at getting.

I've also tried to source those led "panels" that fit, but haven't found a good match yet. That said, I have also wondered if a simple strip of bright LED's tucked under the long side would do well. Might require removing the black backing, but waterproof LED's would avoid any issues from that.

[Christian Dietrich]

Yeah Shep has a good point. Placing a white led in a red housing will make it look dull and orange. The leds i posted are the brightest i can find on superbrites site that fit out lights. Always use the same color bulb as the housing!

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[Shep]

They're a dime a dozen from pretty much anyone these days. I run the same design in my binnacle too (sans battery light for now). Rheostat needs to be adjusted for that, in my case I bypassed it entirely. They're a different socket, but same "LED cube" style.

Now if you want "second coming of Christ" brightness on the exterior, I got those too. Just note that the front turns can't be replaced if you've got the side blinker mod as of yet (which reminds me, I need to finish my fix for that and start selling it...) But the rears honestly make tailgaters keep PLENTY of distance after just one time of seeing my brake lights, even without slowing down at all.

[Christian Dietrich]

Thats how my rear is. I can give you retina damage if you look to long lol. I have the blinker mod from Dave McKeen in the front and still have to install it for the rear. My 4, 194's for the binnicle that shine down consist of 19 led's per bulb and i had to slightly mod the hole for the bulb to fit. So its a total of 76 leds in blue.

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[Shep]

On the blinker mod: it's not compatible with LED's. Yet -- I'm getting prototype boards in that should fix that. The parts alone are $10 per board, but ensures that there's only a millivolt drop (I think it was 0.001v last I ran the math) rather than a full 2.2v drop when you use the standard diode bridge that would normally address this (which itself costs $2 to $4 in parts if memory serves). This means the LED's can run happily with no burnouts that will be happening guaranteed if a diode bridge is used. LED's do not like to be undervolted, it's why so many of the handheld dollar-store flashlights die as a whole after a few weeks. Battery runs low, no easy way to tell, so they just burn out from the low voltage.

$50 per car in parts is a small price to pay to be able to use LED's in the side markers and still have them blink properly in my opinion. That said, price drops to about $7.50 in parts per board when I order in batches of 25, so it becomes much more economical to sell than to one-off.

[iflights]

I used these Putco LEDs in my running and brake lights after my wife noticed how washed out the DMCH led kit looked in direct sunlight. Incredibility bright, but expensive bulbs, but if it improves visibility cost doesn't matter.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/put-241156r-360

[Shep]

I used these Putco LEDs in my running and brake lights after my wife noticed how washed out the DMCH led kit looked in direct sunlight. Incredibility bright, but expensive bulbs, but if it improves visibility cost doesn't matter.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/put-241156r-360I buy from DT Autotech on eBay (http://stores.ebay.com/dtautotech/).

DeLorean setup: Amber (http://www.ebay.com/itm/192042996870), Red (http://www.ebay.com/itm/192042987568), White (http://www.ebay.com/itm/192043019522).

Former Subaru setup: Amber (http://www.ebay.com/itm/231995619880), Red (http://www.ebay.com/itm/191909508690), White (http://www.ebay.com/itm/331895271595).

(Bulb bases were different on the Subaru, but same bulb nonetheless. Traded it in for a Kia that needs load resistors, so results will be skewed now...)

[DL4567]

Yeah I took a snapshot of those bulbs and you can actually look up bulbs for the DeLorean on that website and it doesn't list every single one of them but you still can find other alternatives on there. I think it list bulbs for the tail lights but I was able to put a taller LED bulb in the tail light to make it even brighter. This side marker lights the bulb goes right up against the lens but steel clamps into the back of the lens fine. I have a little bit of corrosion in mine and LEDs are very sensitive two resistance so like I said I used some contacts spray for electronic components and put a small little wire brush on the end of my Dremel and I ran it all through there and it made one hell of a difference. The pictures I sent you that you seen of my car are not digitally enhance at all and they really are just that bright. Please do get back with me because I would like to know what your outcome is [emoji3]

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Christian, your side marker bulbs... the "BA9s LED Bulb - 5 SMD LED Tower".... would you say they have an even glow all around like the original incandescents? Do the ambers appear much brighter than the reds? Or does it look as equal as incandescents? I'm trying to match the look of the originals as closely as possible.




Thanks for sharing the pictures. Your side-markers do indeed look nice a bright.

When I get a break from my other work projects, I will try to do some comparison photos. I have five different LED side marker bulbs in hand. No doubt end up with your solution, but always good to show comparisons between the choices.

Ron

Ron, did you ever make a decision among those 5 side marker bulbs? Which did you like best?

[Shep]

If you're only matching what's already there, why are you even looking into LED's at all? If you want it to "look stock", leave it stock, nothing else will in the side markers, it's an optical minefield of a nightmare. 360° light converted to weird gradients of cones of light in a long and narrow lens with dams before the long parts and being on the underside of a retroreflector, there's just far too much at play for me to even think about, let alone someone who would make a product.

5 SMD LED variants are a dime a dozen. Buy a few and test them out. I think you'll find they're not quite as large a difference as you might be expecting.

Now the rear lights aren't bad on their own, and LED varieties exist that match stock brightness fairly well (I have bought some), but the small bulb size of the side markers and awful geometry leaves very few options to match an incandescent perfectly.

EDIT: I should probably tone down a bit, geez my unwarranted crankiness is showing there (sorry about that), did want to clarify one thing: the 5 SMD LED isn't the only LED on the market for that spot, others exist too, they're just the most common. I run them myself, and am looking to upgrade after not finding them bright enough, if that's any indication.

[DMC-Ron]

Ron, did you ever make a decision among those 5 side marker bulbs? Which did you like best?

I got sidetracked with a curiosity about the plasma LEDs. I built a lighting test box that allows me to compare light output of bulbs. Currently its set up to test the 1156 bulb, and I'm comparing red plasma LED to red segment LED. These would primarily be used for our brake lights. I have done one round of tests and hope to complete a second round to repeat the results. In the meantime I got sidetracked (sound familiar) with installing a battery disconnect solenoid in my car. All this and I also have to do real work, so bear with me. I'll write up the results and put them on the forum soon. Just to titillate, the results were certainly a surprise to me.

Testing of side markers will follow at some point, but may be a while.

Ron

[Christian Dietrich]

Christian, your side marker bulbs... the "BA9s LED Bulb - 5 SMD LED Tower".... would you say they have an even glow all around like the original incandescents? Do the ambers appear much brighter than the reds? Or does it look as equal as incandescents? I'm trying to match the look of the originals as closely as possible.





Ron, did you ever make a decision among those 5 side marker bulbs? Which did you like best?For the most part i'd say amber is a touch brighter than the red but the red is a deep full red color. The amber isn't much more brighter. They are so bright when driving at night, i can look out the window and set the guard rail lite up with red and amber! Here is a updated pic from a few weeks ago. Sorry for the delay in getting back with you as I've been so busy at work plus trying to finish my rear bumper modification as the letters in the bumper are now backlit and I'm sending the bumpers out to get painted today. And before you say anything lol it's not as bright as it looks as my camera phone wasn't adjusted for any glare but it's actually a nice soft red light!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180224/b93ec45ffa1fcf2bd74efb96e22e44db.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180224/307e6de50a75ac08c21de21816b3a38b.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180224/65a595a110b39b250dbc61c486b6aea7.jpg

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[Christian Dietrich]

I used these Putco LEDs in my running and brake lights after my wife noticed how washed out the DMCH led kit looked in direct sunlight. Incredibility bright, but expensive bulbs, but if it improves visibility cost doesn't matter.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/put-241156r-360I run these in my parking lights, brakes and reverse along with the front bumper lights. Very bright and can be a eye sore when behind me. Both of The DeLorean 's in the picture below have that same bulb I just posted a picture of. My car is the one on the right and this is inside my garage and you can even see how bright my tag lights are and each bulb is 105 lumens each. That's why you can see the light shining down on the floorhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180224/9b37381113e528b7f5a66227de169e29.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180224/efccf8bab80cc0341e5ac28120301823.jpg

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[DL4567]

If you're only matching what's already there, why are you even looking into LED's at all? If you want it to "look stock", leave it stock, nothing else will in the side markers, it's an optical minefield of a nightmare. 360° light converted to weird gradients of cones of light in a long and narrow lens with dams before the long parts and being on the underside of a retroreflector, there's just far too much at play for me to even think about, let alone someone who would make a product.

5 SMD LED variants are a dime a dozen. Buy a few and test them out. I think you'll find they're not quite as large a difference as you might be expecting.

Now the rear lights aren't bad on their own, and LED varieties exist that match stock brightness fairly well (I have bought some), but the small bulb size of the side markers and awful geometry leaves very few options to match an incandescent perfectly.

EDIT: I should probably tone down a bit, geez my unwarranted crankiness is showing there (sorry about that), did want to clarify one thing: the 5 SMD LED isn't the only LED on the market for that spot, others exist too, they're just the most common. I run them myself, and am looking to upgrade after not finding them bright enough, if that's any indication.

Haha no worries! The reason I'm wanting to add some more LEDs is to prevent my headlight switch from ever melting (and to be able to run the lights parked for display without worry of too much battery drain). Seems the agreed consensus is that the more bulbs you replace that run through that circuit, the less of a "burden" it is on the headlight switch. It's arguable how 'necessary' that is, as my switch has been fine for the many years I've had my car, but whenever LED technology improves my interest gets re-ignited and I think about replacing more bulbs. That said, I do like the stock look of the incandescents the best, and will only convert a light to LED if it matches the look very closely.




I got sidetracked with a curiosity about the plasma LEDs. I built a lighting test box that allows me to compare light output of bulbs. Currently its set up to test the 1156 bulb, and I'm comparing red plasma LED to red segment LED. These would primarily be used for our brake lights. I have done one round of tests and hope to complete a second round to repeat the results. In the meantime I got sidetracked (sound familiar) with installing a battery disconnect solenoid in my car. All this and I also have to do real work, so bear with me. I'll write up the results and put them on the forum soon. Just to titillate, the results were certainly a surprise to me.

Testing of side markers will follow at some point, but may be a while.

Ron

That's ok, I keep an eye on the forum all the time, whenever you post your results I'll be sure to see it. Sounds interesting.... "plasma" LEDs? Haven't heard of those yet.



For the most part i'd say amber is a touch brighter than the red but the red is a deep full red color. The amber isn't much more brighter. They are so bright when driving at night, i can look out the window and set the guard rail lite up with red and amber! Here is a updated pic from a few weeks ago. Sorry for the delay in getting back with you as I've been so busy at work plus trying to finish my rear bumper modification as the letters in the bumper are now backlit and I'm sending the bumpers out to get painted today. And before you say anything lol it's not as bright as it looks as my camera phone wasn't adjusted for any glare but it's actually a nice soft red light!

Thanks for the reply! It wasn't slow at all -- I just posted my question last night. :) Yeah, for $20 a set, I just might give them a try. The 5-light LEDs look more promising than the other style where the lights are all on the tip, making it look more like a "dot" of light inside the side-marker lens rather than an even flood of light all around. As for brightness, off-hand I don't remember if the stock bulbs look like even brightness between red and amber, as I imagine the lens color must affect it somewhat.

Has anyone used these for the front bumper turn-signals? It's what superbrightleds.com recommends for that spot in the DeLorean:
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/front-turn-signal-light-bulb/1157-led-bulb-dual-function-27-smd-led-tower-bay15d-retrofit/2625/5699/

[Christian Dietrich]

Haha no worries! The reason I'm wanting to add some more LEDs is to prevent my headlight switch from ever melting (and to be able to run the lights parked for display without worry of too much battery drain). Seems the agreed consensus is that the more bulbs you replace that run through that circuit, the less of a "burden" it is on the headlight switch. It's arguable how 'necessary' that is, as my switch has been fine for the many years I've had my car, but whenever LED technology improves my interest gets re-ignited and I think about replacing more bulbs. That said, I do like the stock look of the incandescents the best, and will only convert a light to LED if it matches the look very closely.





That's ok, I keep an eye on the forum all the time, whenever you post your results I'll be sure to see it. Sounds interesting.... "plasma" LEDs? Haven't heard of those yet.




Thanks for the reply! It wasn't slow at all -- I just posted my question last night. :) Yeah, for $20 a set, I just might give them a try. The 5-light LEDs look more promising than the other style where the lights are all on the tip, making it look more like a "dot" of light inside the side-marker lens rather than an even flood of light all around. As for brightness, off-hand I don't remember if the stock bulbs look like even brightness between red and amber, as I imagine the lens color must affect it somewhat.

Has anyone used these for the front bumper turn-signals? It's what superbrightleds.com recommends for that spot in the DeLorean:
https://www.superbrightleds.com/moreinfo/front-turn-signal-light-bulb/1157-led-bulb-dual-function-27-smd-led-tower-bay15d-retrofit/2625/5699/Go with the ones I just posted in the 1156 style because that's what I also run also for the front turn signals because there are dual function LED. They are extremely bright and work really well with the turn signals and I got the turn signal relay from DMC.

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[Christian Dietrich]

Go with the ones I just posted in the 1156 style because that's what I also run also for the front turn signals because there are dual function LED. They are extremely bright and work really well with the turn signals and I got the turn signal relay from DMC.

Sent from my SM-N920P using TapatalkThis is what I use for the tag lights and the engine compartment light along with the trunk light and both dome lights and these are 105 lumens each the only thing different I had to do with my car with these bulbs for the interior is to remove the white relay for the dome light Auto dimming after you close the doors because the lights will just stay on so I simply unplugged it so they just come on and turn off with the opening and closing of the door because with the circuitry that's on them they won't fade out because of that Factory dimmer module and I have the same version of this light in a newer car that I have and they were fine with the slow dimming outhttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180224/5f36d0634d8fc7ead4b2d128d5b8533e.jpg

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[Shep]

Oh yeah, forgot about the headlight switch, that's a good point. The 5 SMD guys like I said though are brighter, you'll want something different. Experiment! I think there's 5 5mm LED versions that might be similar, those would be abysmally dim like the originals, worth a try. They look like what you expect a 5 SMD to look like if they swapped the SMD's for 5mm LED's


Go with the ones I just posted in the 1156 style because that's what I also run also for the front turn signals because there are dual function LED. They are extremely bright and work really well with the turn signals and I got the turn signal relay from DMC.

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NO, false, fronts are 1157, that is what the dual filament designation is. Parking light is low, turn signal high. Also additional note: avoid switchbacks unless you have a clear lens (still looking for this to exist myself), it will be white when parking and amber when turning, and will look horrible parking.

@DL4567: that's the same style (in 1157 and 1156) that matches incandescent perfectly front and rear (respectively). I have a picture somewhere of this, I think the 24 SMD (is that the right number? Next quantity up) style is what did perfectly, 18 SMD was a touch dimmer than stock, but not at all noticeable. Oh, and look out for the reverse and remember incandescent is soft white by default, if you want to match stock color, try and find soft white.

@Last post here, that's what I run too. VERY bright and do wonders for prolonging spectators at night as a result of the engine bay and interior being well lit (trunk area if you open yours also). I don't have any dimming in/out, mine are all switched directly. PWM dimming is a bonus feature that I typically try to avoid if I can help it. I prefer on/off unless I have a need to adjust it (binnacle lights, for example). Fancy stuff is more $$$ and another possible failure point.

While we're talking LED mods, I'll share a neat one I've done to my car. Footwell lights that tap into the relevant door switch. Driver's footwell lights up if driver's door is opened, passenger if that side is opened. Especially useful in diagnosing a jittery door switch (just have a passenger look down long enough to spot which side lights up), but overall for "neat" looks. I think I tapped into the Lambda warning light for that because extension plugs are readily available and I already have a bypass speedo cable. Mine are blue, but you should be able to get a fairly stock look running soft white, and having people wonder how it took 20 more years to finally make it a thing again.

[Christian Dietrich]

Oh yeah, forgot about the headlight switch, that's a good point. The 5 SMD guys like I said though are brighter, you'll want something different. Experiment! I think there's 5 5mm LED versions that might be similar, those would be abysmally dim like the originals, worth a try. They look like what you expect a 5 SMD to look like if they swapped the SMD's for 5mm LED's



NO, false, fronts are 1157, that is what the dual filament designation is. Parking light is low, turn signal high. Also additional note: avoid switchbacks unless you have a clear lens (still looking for this to exist myself), it will be white when parking and amber when turning, and will look horrible parking.

@DL4567: that's the same style (in 1157 and 1156) that matches incandescent perfectly front and rear (respectively). I have a picture somewhere of this, I think the 24 SMD (is that the right number? Next quantity up) style is what did perfectly, 18 SMD was a touch dimmer than stock, but not at all noticeable. Oh, and look out for the reverse and remember incandescent is soft white by default, if you want to match stock color, try and find soft white.

@Last post here, that's what I run too. VERY bright and do wonders for prolonging spectators at night as a result of the engine bay and interior being well lit (trunk area if you open yours also). I don't have any dimming in/out, mine are all switched directly. PWM dimming is a bonus feature that I typically try to avoid if I can help it. I prefer on/off unless I have a need to adjust it (binnacle lights, for example). Fancy stuff is more $$$ and another possible failure point.

While we're talking LED mods, I'll share a neat one I've done to my car. Footwell lights that tap into the relevant door switch. Driver's footwell lights up if driver's door is opened, passenger if that side is opened. Especially useful in diagnosing a jittery door switch (just have a passenger look down long enough to spot which side lights up), but overall for "neat" looks. I think I tapped into the Lambda warning light for that because extension plugs are readily available and I already have a bypass speedo cable. Mine are blue, but you should be able to get a fairly stock look running soft white, and having people wonder how it took 20 more years to finally make it a thing again.My apologies and when I posted that picture of the two different bulbs I meant to say 1157 not 1156. I will say these 26 SMD bulbs are very bright and they look good at night time and are very visible during the day. I also have footwell lighting but it's on all the time when I turn on my running lights and everything and I also have another mod that I'm working on designing

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[Shep]

No worries! I was wondering based on the way your post was written, but had to clarify before someone bought the wrong bulb based on that.

[Christian Dietrich]

No worries! I was wondering based on the way your post was written, but had to clarify before someone bought the wrong bulb based on that.Yes most definitely and the 1157 is the Dual stage and they 1156 is a single stage! [emoji16]

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