Lost my 3.0L PCV/Filer/Cap thing

[jangell]

I changed the oil in my 3.0L the other day, and used the PCV (I think that's what it's called?) thing on the passenger side valve cover. I was going to use the filler on the driver's side valve cover until I realized that while the A/C line clears the cap, it isn't actually possible to remove the cap with the A/C installed.

In any case, I forgot to put the cap back on. I then drove around for a bit and noticed a high idle. When I got home, I found that the cap was gone, and the vacuum line it was hanging off of still firmly attached to the engine and sucking in air.

I still had the 2.8L filler thing, so I put that in instead. I thought this would be fine, but it's not. You can clearly hear air being sucked in through the vacuum line, and I still have the high idle problems.

It seems to be difficult to find the 3.0L thing to order a replacement, in part because I have no idea what it's called. The 2.8L fits in the valve cover, but either it is incompatible or it is plugged up and isn't letting enough air pass. Do these things get plugged up? I'm betting mine is original, so it wouldn't surprise me. The design is different from the 2.8L vs. the 3.0L; instead of the single-piece filter-like setup of the 2.8L, there's a "three discs on a shaft" setup with a separate cap on the 3.0L. I assume this lets more air flow from the engine and is why the 2.8L cap isn't working?

I have a broken 3.0L cap (from when I transported the engine and didn't pay attention to where the ratchet strap ran), but only the bottom part of it; I seem to have lost the top part, so I can't glue it back together.

So my questions are:
- Does anyone know what this cap is called on the 3.0L?
- Does anyone know where to get it?
- Should the 2.8L be compatible with the 3.0L?
- Is my 2.8L cap just plugged up? Is that a thing that happens?
- I assume this exists for a reason, and that just plugging the end of the cap isn't recommended.

Thanks!

-- Joe

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[David T]

Parts Manual section 1-4-0 fig #8 pn 102145 it is called Oil Filler Cover. When the "O" ring is bad the cover fits very loosely, maybe all you need is a new "O" ring. You might be able to find one locally.

[jangell]

The old 3.0L was loose, but the 2.8L is very, very tight in the valve cover, so I think the O-ring is OK.

-- Joe

[David T]

The crankcase ventilation is very tightly calibrated. There is no PCV valve like most ventilation systems. There is an orifice that calibrates how much vacuum is used, it is in the Aux air pipe that holds the CSV. The oil cover for the 3.0 may have a different calibration than the 2.8, I don't know. You could try blocking of the vacuum and see if that brings down the idle. Because you have a 3.0 I don't know what you have or don't have relative to the 2.8. I don't know how your vacuum is hooked up to the oil cover.

[jangell]

Thanks. I find that capping the vacuum (via the outlet on the "cap") with my finger did bring the idle back down. I could do that permanently, but I'm not sure I really should. The vacuum is connected from the side of the intake manifold into the top of the the "cap", rather than to the CSV. The other end of the hose is just open to the air, though; I don't have a line running back to the cold air intake, although I probably should.

-- Joe

[David T]

You really do need to ventilate the crankcase to avoid the build up of moisture. Find some way to hook something up either like the 3.0 or the 2.8. On most V-6/8 motors they suck from one valve cover and let the other breath air in.

[jangell]

The good news is that I just happened to get a 3D printer the other day, and have some ABS filament arriving on tomorrow, so I can try printing a new one. That, or I could cut the top off the 2.8L one, I guess, but it seems like I should try not to destroy that.

I actually did find the bottom half of the cap, just not the pieces of the top half that the hoses go onto, so I can probably just print that part and glue it to the top of the piece I do have.

Unless someone happens to have a spare one of these things for a 3.0L engine laying around?

Thanks!

-- Joe

What's left of my original 3.0L cap:
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[jangell]

I fiinally realized this might be in the Eagle service manual, so I checked there. It's the "oil vapor separator". Not that this helps much, since I still can't find one on places like RockAuto or eBay.

While the one in the diagram appears to have three connections on it (vacuum, air box and open air), the one that I broke and the replacement I got from Josh (I bought a lot of his parts when he switched from the 3.0L to the LS engine) only had two (vacuum and air box), so the manual is either incorrect or there was a design change at some point.

-- Joe

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[Mark D]

There are a couple of Eagle Premiers in the junk yards by me... If you can't find the part you're looking for locally or online I can stop by the salvage yard sometime and grab one for you. I'd only charge you the actual cost the yard charges me for the part plus shipping cost.

I took this picture a while back when I found this car in a local pick n pull yard.

http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=59084&d=1548166155

[jangell]

If you happen to be going by one, that would be great -- I can even see the part I need in that photo.

I actually just checked the Pick-N-Pull website (there are two near-ish to me), but just like the last times I looked there are no Premiers or Monacos there. I'm not entirely sure how to find other "pull your own parts" places in the area, to be honest.

Thanks!

-- Joe

[Mark D]

If you happen to be going by one, that would be great -- I can even see the part I need in that photo.

I actually just checked the Pick-N-Pull website (there are two near-ish to me), but just like the last times I looked there are no Premiers or Monacos there. I'm not entirely sure how to find other "pull your own parts" places in the area, to be honest.

Thanks!

-- Joe

Cool, if it's not pouring rain this afternoon I'll stop by on my way home from work and grab it for you.

From my experience very few pick n pull type salvage yards have accurate inventory of what cars/parts they have on hand. Most require a boots on the ground approach and you end up spending some quality time walking through the yards. I'm in the middle of an E46 BMW project/build so I'm always on the hunt for fresh cars to pull parts from. I actually really enjoy the time I spend at the salvage yards... it's like a treasure hunt but better, because car parts.

[jangell]

Thanks!

The Pick-n-Pulls that are "near-ish" to me are more like 30-45 minutes in a direction I don't normally go, so I don't tend to get down there too often. I did pull some coil packs from some Fords for my engine, and helped my friend with some parts for his early 2000s BMW, but would have loved to find a Premier or Monaco that I could get extra parts from, just in case I needed them.

I actually had someone contact me a couple weeks ago asking for the heater pipes from the back of the water pump for his actual Eagle Premier (not transplanted to a DMC or anything), which I just happened to have an extra set of and was able to send to him. I guess he didn't have any in his local junkyards either.

-- Joe

[dn010]

If all else fails, you can try soaking the 2.8L cap in gas or solvent to try to clean up the internals and see if it works any better than it did. Unfortunately I only have the B280F 'separator' which is the same as the stock D one.

[jangell]

Thanks; I'll give that a shot if it comes down to it.

-- Joe

[Mark D]

I stopped by the salvage yard and grabbed the cap along with the baffle or whatever the lower part is. I can send them both, or did you just need the top part?

If this all looks good on your end PM me your shipping info and I can get you a price quote to mail it out :) The actual parts were only 5 bucks.

http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=60991&d=1566874676

[jangell]

That looks perfect — I’ll PM you now. I only really need the cap part, but you can send along both if you like. Thanks!

— Joe

[Josh]

Wow, Mark saves the day!
When i had my 3.0 I would have killed for that engine cover.

[Mark D]

Wow, Mark saves the day!
When i had my 3.0 I would have killed for that engine cover.

:thumbup:

If anybody else needs random 3.0L parts let me know. This car is close by my house and there are a couple more Eagle Premiers at another pick and pull yard about 3 miles from where I work.

And to be fair, your engine cover (and engine) now is way cooler :)

[jangell]

I got the part yesterday and took it for a drive today. It actually fits so snuggly in the valve cover that I couldn't get it out again when I wanted to add a bit more oil after my drive (also, the engine was hot, and I didn't want to burn myself working it). I've modified the oil filler cap so that I can remove it without hitting the A/C line anymore, so that shouldn't be a problem going forwards.

Anyway, the oil vapor separator works great, and the car runs as expected with no high idle or weird vacuum leaks.

Thanks again Mark!

-- Joe