DeLorean Taillight Sequencer Kits

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Will be producing more DeLorean Taillight Sequencer Kits in the near future.610946109561093

[Michael]

The links told me nothing but I am assuming the tailights sequence. I'm in.

[Lukas]

Also interested. How do we modify the tail light boards? The modules look easy enough to connect.

[iflights]

Interested too. Assuming the photos are of a complete kit. Many have already upgraded tail lights with LEDs and the compatible flasher. Ideally we could use them by you offering a 2nd kit without these specific items.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I’ll locate the old YouTube video and post the link here. The kit comes with the tail light circuit boards already modified. I have not priced a kit without led lights or flasher but it sounds like a good option. I’ll look into that.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

https://youtu.be/dpBQhOpNwJc

[Lukas]

Thanks for the video. I'm in. Looks pretty plug and play amd no mods to any original parts.

[bigmac]

Wouldn’t it be easier to connect to power at the corner power feeds in the engine bay?


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[dmc-4625]

When do you plan on putting this on the market? I am very interested in a LED version.

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[JBaker4981]

I'm so down. I assume the mod will support the use of the LED taillight boards as well?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

61104Tail light circuit boards are modified to accept 1157 bulbs.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Wouldn’t it be easier to connect to power at the corner power feeds in the engine bay?


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I’m not sure if it would be easier or not. We connect to the fuse box so we can be sure there is no power when the key is turned ‘OFF’. These circuit boards have a small power drain and would run your battery down if they are left ‘ON’ when the key gets turned off. Hope that helps!

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I'm so down. I assume the mod will support the use of the LED taillight boards as well?

These modified tail lights circuit boards are for LED bulbs only. Please DO NOT use CAN-Bus Bulbs.

[JBaker4981]

Can you provide us with additional pricing information, availability, and what the kit comes with? Do you include the LED boards or does this kit attach to the pre-existing LED boards (if we have them)?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

61108 The Modified tail light circuit boards replace your existing boards. The cost of this kit will be $600 USD with free shipping inside the continental USA. I will build kits based on demand but will not accept advanced payments.

[bigmac]

I would like to mod my new boards which are running leds already. Are the control modules and the looms available by themselves?


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[bigmac]

Is it possible to see the install instructions?


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[DeepSpace Cowboy]

6110961110Here are the basic installation instructions.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I would like to mod my new boards which are running leds already. Are the control modules and the looms available by themselves?


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It would be pretty easy to purchase some aftermarket Mustang or Cougar taillight sequencer modules and modify your LED taillight circuit boards for these. Would also be a whole lot cheaper. The LED bulbs would still all be 1156 bulbs and your would not have to change out the bulb sockets.

[bigmac]

So are you saying your modules are not available for sale separately?


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[DeepSpace Cowboy]

So are you saying your modules are not available for sale separately?


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Sorry but the sequencer modules are made to operate specifically with the modified tail light circuit boards that come with the kit. Right now I don’t even have any kits ready to sell. There are two Beta test kits that should be installed in the next week or two. If these installations go smoothly and we don’t run in to any major problems, then I will be ready to start making kits to sell. The sequencer modules are made for and will only work on DeLoreans.

[bigmac]

Ok I get that.

I have currently the updated boards running leds.

I’m only interested in using your system on my Delorean.

Will you offer a kit to possible buyers that have the boards already an option for your modules only and if needed the leds and the information on how to modify existing boards?


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[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Ok I get that.

I have currently the updated boards running leds.

I’m only interested in using your system on my Delorean.

Will you offer a kit to possible buyers that have the boards already an option for your modules only and if needed the leds and the information on how to modify existing boards?


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At this time we will not be selling any partial kits with modules only. We do not want to create the drawings and written instructions required on how to convert the DeLorean tail light circuit boards to work with our sequencer control modules. Secondly, we are still in the process of Beta testing this system. Even though our sequencer control modules are completely encapsulated in thermally conductive epoxy, we don’t know if they will withstand the heat, vibration, moisture and dirt that will be encountered in actual operating conditions. Also, the modifications to tail light circuit board have to pass these tests too. Third, we are investigating the possibility of designing our our tail light circuit board and incorporating Sally’s the component parts on to the board itself. This would be a lot cheaper and eaisier to build.

[Michael]

I'm out.

Not being a douche, just being honest. If it was simple, not too expensive, and easy to install, sure but I'm not about to buy another set of tail light boards just to make my lights chase each other. My PJ Grady boards are perfect.

[Lukas]

Too expensive for me. After seeing the price ($600USD), and international shipping, I can't justify this cost. I'm already running LEDs and PJ Grady Boards which should outlast the car.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

You guys are absolutely right! These kits are too expensive and a real pain to build and test. The parts used are expensive and it’s not worth the time or efforts to make them so the Tail Light Sequencer Project is no longer available. It would be better just to make these kits from Mustang sequencer.

[Bitsyncmaster]

You guys are absolutely right! These kits are too expensive and a real pain to build and test. The parts used are expensive and it’s not worth the time or efforts to make them so the Tail Light Sequencer Project is no longer available. It would be better just to make these kits from Mustang sequencer.

When I first saw your photos of your unit I guessed you would need to charge a lot for the units. I think you could produce new circuit boards with electronics on them for a price that should sell enough to recover your R&D costs and maybe make some money.

With a new board you can use ground switching each light which is easy with a micro and MOSFETs. And just get power by using diodes to power the electronics from the existing light wiring. So the boards would be just plug and play with no wiring required.

The problem is the larger boards will probably cost you at least $20 each or more if you order small quantities.

There was another person that produced rear light boards which I saw at one of the DCS shows. His board had all the LEDs soldered to the board and I thought he would need to charge at least $400 for a pair of them. I guess he decided he could not sell enough to recover his costs.

[bigmac]

Dave

Surely you cause make a module for us?


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[Bitsyncmaster]

Dave

Surely you cause make a module for us?


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I've got to many products now. I will have more time when my grand kids get older.

[Josh]

I'm out.

Not being a douche, just being honest. If it was simple, not too expensive, and easy to install, sure but I'm not about to buy another set of tail light boards just to make my lights chase each other. My PJ Grady boards are perfect.

It is a necessary evil
Since the brake lights are bridged together on the board there is no way of individually controlling them
The bulbs are also all single filament in the stock boards. This would require dual filament bulbs behind all the red lenses. At least the center (park) one in the middle.

[FABombjoy]

I'm surprised that all of the new and improved tail light PCBs haven't been made with layouts that would facilitate plug & play sequencers.
Like, integrating the pads for a sequencing connector and creating an easy to sever copper bridge.

"Want to add our sequencer kit? Simply cut these bridge traces with a knife and plug our module into the second, unused edge connector."

Or you build a new PCB with each lamp wired discreetly and featuring a weather resistant terminal.
Then you offer a stock plug & play adapter for a drop-in upgrade
...or a weatherpack cut & crimp terminal to get rid of the card edge connector
...or an add-on adapter for a sequencing module

Please make checks out to "Mr Bombjoy, c/o Million Dollar Idea Club"

[JBaker4981]

I too am going to have to bail from this due to cost. I understand that it's expensive for reasons that have already been discussed but I cannot justify the cost when I can allocate those funds to other things on the car like tires when the time comes.

[bigmac]

Dave

My back bumper is nearly ready to go back on.

With a sequencer do I need to run an additional power wire so it’s there when needed or can a sequencer run on the current indicator power feed?

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[bigmac]

I've got to many products now. I will have more time when my grand kids get older.

Please see my post below.


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[Bitsyncmaster]

Dave

My back bumper is nearly ready to go back on.

With a sequencer do I need to run an additional power wire so it’s there when needed or can a sequencer run on the current indicator power feed?

Thanks


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For anyone designing a product, they could use existing wiring to get power. You just use diodes to provide power from any of the existing circuit wires. The draw back to that design is you drop about 0.7 volts for your power. That drop is not important if your just driving a low power circuit like a microprocessor. It becomes important if your going to use a lot of current driving heavy loads with that power.

[Michael]

Sequenced lights are out. Check this guy's rendition:


https://www.facebook.com/groups/DeLoreanOwnersGroup/permalink/10156331127512382/

[Timeless]

Whoa.... cool indeed. Space Odyssey 2001.

[Josh]

I'm surprised that all of the new and improved tail light PCBs haven't been made with layouts that would facilitate plug & play sequencers.
Like, integrating the pads for a sequencing connector and creating an easy to sever copper bridge.

"Want to add our sequencer kit? Simply cut these bridge traces with a knife and plug our module into the second, unused edge connector."

Or you build a new PCB with each lamp wired discreetly and featuring a weather resistant terminal.
Then you offer a stock plug & play adapter for a drop-in upgrade
...or a weatherpack cut & crimp terminal to get rid of the card edge connector
...or an add-on adapter for a sequencing module

Please make checks out to "Mr Bombjoy, c/o Million Dollar Idea Club"

I would like to make this a product...

[bigmac]

For anyone designing a product, they could use existing wiring to get power. You just use diodes to provide power from any of the existing circuit wires. The draw back to that design is you drop about 0.7 volts for your power. That drop is not important if your just driving a low power circuit like a microprocessor. It becomes important if your going to use a lot of current driving heavy loads with that power.

Hi Dave

Wouldn’t you be only able to use the indicator circuit but as that’s a on/off circuit don’t you need a full time 12v and without running an additional wire there is no full time 12v available in the rear bumper?

Thanks


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[Bitsyncmaster]

Hi Dave

Wouldn’t you be only able to use the indicator circuit but as that’s a on/off circuit don’t you need a full time 12v and without running an additional wire there is no full time 12v available in the rear bumper?

Thanks


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Your correct. If your using just the blinker then it would require a 12 volt power to get lights working unless your just powering the lights during the stock blink on time.

[bigmac]

Your correct. If your using just the blinker then it would require a 12 volt power to get lights working unless your just powering the lights during the stock blink on time.

So should I run a spare wire so it’s available when a sequencer kit eventually comes out?


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[Bitsyncmaster]

So should I run a spare wire so it’s available when a sequencer kit eventually comes out?


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Yes it would not hurt to have a wire available for a future use.

[bigmac]

Yes it would not hurt to have a wire available for a future use.

Ok will do. I don’t have access to a wiring at the moment but I assume there’s a usable ground in the loom currently?


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[Bitsyncmaster]

Ok will do. I don’t have access to a wiring at the moment but I assume there’s a usable ground in the loom currently?


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Yes each side has an existing ground I think from a bulkhead connector.

[DMC-Ron]

I would like to make this a product...

Done.

Or at least the development is compete. We’re currently doing our second round of beta testing.

My apologies for jumping on this thread, but I wanted to let those interested in a taillight sequencer know that a product is well on its way. We’ve put a lot of thought and development into the sequencer and believe we have produced a very flexible, yet simple to install solution. The original alpha units were installed on two cars in June. Those units were run for two months and led to our second generation (beta) units. I’ll show photos of the current units below. The current units have been installed on my car for just over a month. A second car is slated to get the units in October. We intend on testing for 6 weeks in the second car as it is a daily driver. Assuming we get good results, and there is at least some interest, it will become available as a product to purchase.

Briefly, here are some details:
• This latest product version is a complete taillight board replacement (there are reasons for this which I’ll follow up on later).
• The product installs in the car just like any other taillight board replacement with no revisions required to the car’s wiring. However, just as required for any conversion to LEDs, an electronic flasher is required.
• The board requires standard 1156 bulbs or LEDs.
• The sequencer is microprocessor controlled and completely configurable.
• The board has an onboard connector that allows software updates.
• An onboard switch allows selection of user preferences and sequence timing.
• There is a “parade” mode available to provide a “special” light sequence. Currently it is a “Knight Rider” back and forth scan of all segments including the backup lights (but we’re open to other options/suggestions).
• The circuitry includes failsafe operation that insures brake light, turn signal, etc. should the processor fail.
• The electronics are rated for high ambient and we’re currently running heat testing on the boards.
Here’s some photos of the board:
61258612596126061261

The sequence we selected differs from the Mustang version where segments remain on as they sequence across. We’ve chosen to take more advantage of the instantaneous nature of LEDs and do a trace across. We’ve built in some ghosting which we feel adds to the aesthetics. The Mustang version is available should that be a preference (but I believe you’ll like our version). I made a video of the sequencer with the emergency flasher engaged. This lets you see both left and right sequencer working. Normal turn signal would have only the appropriate indicator flashing. Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/CMfplYPuELI


My son and I are both engineers. This has been a fun and rewarding collaboration to this point for both of us. We’re not marketers and we’re not sure how we will make this available should there be interest. We’re both active in our “real” jobs (separate companies), so bear with us as we finish testing and make refinements. We are interested in your comments, suggestions, and questions. I’ll do my best to respond but I’m not as regular a user as some on this forum. If you managed to read this far, thank you for your interest and attention.

Sincerely,
Ron

[bigmac]

Done.

Or at least the development is compete. We’re currently doing our second round of beta testing.

My apologies for jumping on this thread, but I wanted to let those interested in a taillight sequencer know that a product is well on its way. We’ve put a lot of thought and development into the sequencer and believe we have produced a very flexible, yet simple to install solution. The original alpha units were installed on two cars in June. Those units were run for two months and led to our second generation (beta) units. I’ll show photos of the current units below. The current units have been installed on my car for just over a month. A second car is slated to get the units in October. We intend on testing for 6 weeks in the second car as it is a daily driver. Assuming we get good results, and there is at least some interest, it will become available as a product to purchase.

Briefly, here are some details:
•This latest product version is a complete taillight board replacement (there are reasons for this which I’ll follow up on later).
•The product installs in the car just like any other taillight board replacement with no revisions required to the car’s wiring. However, just as required for any conversion to LEDs, an electronic flasher is required.
•The board requires standard 1156 bulbs or LEDs.
•The sequencer is microprocessor controlled and completely configurable.
•The board has an onboard connector that allows software updates.
•An onboard switch allows selection of user preferences and sequence timing.
•There is a “parade” mode available to provide a “special” light sequence. Currently it is a “Knight Rider” back and forth scan of all segments including the backup lights (but we’re open to other options/suggestions).
•The circuitry includes failsafe operation that insures brake light, turn signal, etc. should the processor fail.
•The electronics are rated for high ambient and we’re currently running heat testing on the boards.
Here’s some photos of the board:
61258612596126061261

The sequence we selected differs from the Mustang version where segments remain on as they sequence across. We’ve chosen to take more advantage of the instantaneous nature of LEDs and do a trace across. We’ve built in some ghosting which we feel adds to the aesthetics. The Mustang version is available should that be a preference (but I believe you’ll like our version). I made a video of the sequencer with the emergency flasher engaged. This lets you see both left and right sequencer working. Normal turn signal would have only the appropriate indicator flashing. Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/CMfplYPuELI


My son and I are both engineers. This has been a fun and rewarding collaboration to this point for both of us. We’re not marketers and we’re not sure how we will make this available should there be interest. We’re both active in our “real” jobs (separate companies), so bear with us as we finish testing and make refinements. We are interested in your comments, suggestions, and questions. I’ll do my best to respond but I’m not as regular a user as some on this forum. If you managed to read this far, thank you for your interest and attention.

Sincerely,
Ron

This looks awesome and exactly what Dave suggested.

Is the mustang version available via the dip switches?

Does your setup require s full time 12v feed.

I’m so into this if I can do the spend on it.

Nice work.


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[bigmac]

Done.

Or at least the development is compete. We’re currently doing our second round of beta testing.

My apologies for jumping on this thread, but I wanted to let those interested in a taillight sequencer know that a product is well on its way. We’ve put a lot of thought and development into the sequencer and believe we have produced a very flexible, yet simple to install solution. The original alpha units were installed on two cars in June. Those units were run for two months and led to our second generation (beta) units. I’ll show photos of the current units below. The current units have been installed on my car for just over a month. A second car is slated to get the units in October. We intend on testing for 6 weeks in the second car as it is a daily driver. Assuming we get good results, and there is at least some interest, it will become available as a product to purchase.

Briefly, here are some details:
•This latest product version is a complete taillight board replacement (there are reasons for this which I’ll follow up on later).
•The product installs in the car just like any other taillight board replacement with no revisions required to the car’s wiring. However, just as required for any conversion to LEDs, an electronic flasher is required.
•The board requires standard 1156 bulbs or LEDs.
•The sequencer is microprocessor controlled and completely configurable.
•The board has an onboard connector that allows software updates.
•An onboard switch allows selection of user preferences and sequence timing.
•There is a “parade” mode available to provide a “special” light sequence. Currently it is a “Knight Rider” back and forth scan of all segments including the backup lights (but we’re open to other options/suggestions).
•The circuitry includes failsafe operation that insures brake light, turn signal, etc. should the processor fail.
•The electronics are rated for high ambient and we’re currently running heat testing on the boards.
Here’s some photos of the board:
61258612596126061261

The sequence we selected differs from the Mustang version where segments remain on as they sequence across. We’ve chosen to take more advantage of the instantaneous nature of LEDs and do a trace across. We’ve built in some ghosting which we feel adds to the aesthetics. The Mustang version is available should that be a preference (but I believe you’ll like our version). I made a video of the sequencer with the emergency flasher engaged. This lets you see both left and right sequencer working. Normal turn signal would have only the appropriate indicator flashing. Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/CMfplYPuELI


My son and I are both engineers. This has been a fun and rewarding collaboration to this point for both of us. We’re not marketers and we’re not sure how we will make this available should there be interest. We’re both active in our “real” jobs (separate companies), so bear with us as we finish testing and make refinements. We are interested in your comments, suggestions, and questions. I’ll do my best to respond but I’m not as regular a user as some on this forum. If you managed to read this far, thank you for your interest and attention.

Sincerely,
Ron

This looks awesome and exactly what Dave suggested.

Is the mustang version available via the dip switches on the board?

I have Dave’s indicator boards for the side markers so just wondering how your setup will work with that?

Does your setup require s full time 12v feed.

I’m so into this if I can do the spend on it.

Nice work.


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[WHO1DMC]

Well I want a set! They look sweet!

Dave B.

[Patrick C]

Done.

Or at least the development is compete. We’re currently doing our second round of beta testing.

My apologies for jumping on this thread, but I wanted to let those interested in a taillight sequencer know that a product is well on its way. We’ve put a lot of thought and development into the sequencer and believe we have produced a very flexible, yet simple to install solution. The original alpha units were installed on two cars in June. Those units were run for two months and led to our second generation (beta) units. I’ll show photos of the current units below. The current units have been installed on my car for just over a month. A second car is slated to get the units in October. We intend on testing for 6 weeks in the second car as it is a daily driver. Assuming we get good results, and there is at least some interest, it will become available as a product to purchase.

Briefly, here are some details:
• This latest product version is a complete taillight board replacement (there are reasons for this which I’ll follow up on later).
• The product installs in the car just like any other taillight board replacement with no revisions required to the car’s wiring. However, just as required for any conversion to LEDs, an electronic flasher is required.
• The board requires standard 1156 bulbs or LEDs.
• The sequencer is microprocessor controlled and completely configurable.
• The board has an onboard connector that allows software updates.
• An onboard switch allows selection of user preferences and sequence timing.
• There is a “parade” mode available to provide a “special” light sequence. Currently it is a “Knight Rider” back and forth scan of all segments including the backup lights (but we’re open to other options/suggestions).
• The circuitry includes failsafe operation that insures brake light, turn signal, etc. should the processor fail.
• The electronics are rated for high ambient and we’re currently running heat testing on the boards.
Here’s some photos of the board:
61258612596126061261

The sequence we selected differs from the Mustang version where segments remain on as they sequence across. We’ve chosen to take more advantage of the instantaneous nature of LEDs and do a trace across. We’ve built in some ghosting which we feel adds to the aesthetics. The Mustang version is available should that be a preference (but I believe you’ll like our version). I made a video of the sequencer with the emergency flasher engaged. This lets you see both left and right sequencer working. Normal turn signal would have only the appropriate indicator flashing. Here’s the link:

https://youtu.be/CMfplYPuELI


My son and I are both engineers. This has been a fun and rewarding collaboration to this point for both of us. We’re not marketers and we’re not sure how we will make this available should there be interest. We’re both active in our “real” jobs (separate companies), so bear with us as we finish testing and make refinements. We are interested in your comments, suggestions, and questions. I’ll do my best to respond but I’m not as regular a user as some on this forum. If you managed to read this far, thank you for your interest and attention.

Sincerely,
Ron

VIN 1880 needs this!!!!

[DMC-Ron]

This looks awesome and exactly what Dave suggested.

Greetings. Answers in red below:

Is the mustang version available via the dip switches on the board?
Yes

I have Dave’s indicator boards for the side markers so just wondering how your setup will work with that?
I have a number of Dave's products on my car but not the side markers. I believe Dave's side marker flasher ties into the front turn signal and is not connected at all to the rear taillight wiring harness. If so, our board would have no interaction with, or affect on, his side marker product. Our sequencer is only operating the lights on the taillight board. I want to look into this side marker flasher a bit more. This seems like a very complementary product to go with the taillight sequencer.

Does your setup require s full time 12v feed.
No. Uses the original taillilght connectors. No modification to the wiring harness.

I’m so into this if I can do the spend on it.
Still finishing testing. Pricing has not been set.

Nice work.
Thank you. Good to know there is some interest.

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Ron

[bigmac]

Ron

Thanks Ron,

The car requires a board at the front and one at the back for Dave’s mod which I have wired in.

I guess you could get away with one board at the front but you would need to run a feed from the front to the back of the car to the rear side markers.

I look forward to purchasing this product.

Cheers


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[DMC-Ron]

Thanks Ron,

The car requires a board at the front and one at the back for DaveÂ’s mod which I have wired in.

I guess you could get away with one board at the front but you would need to run a feed from the front to the back of the car to the rear side markers.

I look forward to purchasing this product.

Cheers


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Of course, I forgot that the rear side markers would conveniently tie into the taillight turn signal circuit. Again, presuming that this connects to the turn signal prior to the taillight board connector, then there would be no interaction with Dave's side marker product. It would get the same signal it always gets from the flasher relay.

However we are experimenting with an adjustable flasher relay that would affect the blinker timing. Our board is slave to the flasher module and we are forced to do our selected sequence within the time frame of the existing flasher. In the video, my car is working with a standard electronic DMC flasher. We received some feedback from DeLorean owners that they would like to see the sequence last longer in duration. We've just started using the adjustable flasher on the test bench. Extending the on-time does enhance the affect. Of course it's all in the eye of the beholder and the flasher is somewhat "inconvenient" to switch out. But we may decide to offer the adjustable flasher with the product. Eventually I'll post some video of the extended flash sequence so you and others can evaluate.

Ron

[bigmac]

Of course, I forgot that the rear side markers would conveniently tie into the taillight turn signal circuit. Again, presuming that this connects to the turn signal prior to the taillight board connector, then there would be no interaction with Dave's side marker product. It would get the same signal it always gets from the flasher relay.

However we are experimenting with an adjustable flasher relay that would affect the blinker timing. Our board is slave to the flasher module and we are forced to do our selected sequence within the time frame of the existing flasher. In the video, my car is working with a standard electronic DMC flasher. We received some feedback from DeLorean owners that they would like to see the sequence last longer in duration. We've just started using the adjustable flasher on the test bench. Extending the on-time does enhance the affect. Of course it's all in the eye of the beholder and the flasher is somewhat "inconvenient" to switch out. But we may decide to offer the adjustable flasher with the product. Eventually I'll post some video of the extended flash sequence so you and others can evaluate.

Ron

Sounds good. The plug and play aspect is great as I was close to running an additional wire before you posted.


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[Josh]

this is exactly what i had imagined when this thread was first posted. A nice drop in taillight board.
If it is priced reasonably you should have no problems selling quite a few sets Ron.

[DMC-Ron]

this is exactly what i had imagined when this thread was first posted. A nice drop in taillight board.
If it is priced reasonably you should have no problems selling quite a few sets Ron.

Josh,
Thanks for the encouragement. Still need to finish up he testing. Then we'll see what avenue to use for distribution. I want these to be affordable. I think the feature simply fits the car. If JD would have seen it, he would have jumped on it.

Ron

[bigmac]

Josh,
Thanks for the encouragement. Still need to finish up he testing. Then we'll see what avenue to use for distribution. I want these to be affordable. I think the feature simply fits the car. If JD would have seen it, he would have jumped on it.

Ron

Ron. Can you not just ship them as ordered. If you go through a 3rd party that’s when the prices starts going up and up as they will want to clip the ticket as well?


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[DMC-Ron]

Ron. Can you not just ship them as ordered. If you go through a 3rd party that’s when the prices starts going up and up as they will want to clip the ticket as well?


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That's an option. But, as I said, we're not marketers or salespersons. I admire Dave who has managed to do all of that himself. But I would venture it does take him a good bit of time and effort on his part just to take orders and ship product.

Ron

[bigmac]

That's an option. But, as I said, we're not marketers or salespersons. I admire Dave who has managed to do all of that himself. But I would venture it does take him a good bit of time and effort on his part just to take orders and ship product.

Ron

Ron. You won’t need to be a salesperson as these are going to sell themselves. It will be a case of boxing up and posting to the buyers.


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[Josh]

I find it funny how people who are not in the position to sell a product say it is so easy.
making a one off modification to your car and making something replicatable and easy to install for members of the community are two very different things.
I have several products relating to LS swaps. The support is the killer. Fabricating the parts is *almost* the easy part.
Nevermind marketing them and managing orders. It is not a single person job, especially when you already have a full time day job.
I have several customers that have been patiently waiting for over a year to get their kits.

So with that said, take your time Ron. Do your thing and dont let anyone push you. Testing is important and that seems to be your concern. Perfect!
It may not be feasible to recreate these things either. But i really hope it is and everything pans out.

[Nicholas R]

I find it funny how people who are not in the position to sell a product say it is so easy.
making a one off modification to your car and making something replicatable and easy to install for members of the community are two very different things.
I have several products relating to LS swaps. The support is the killer. Fabricating the parts is *almost* the easy part.
Nevermind marketing them and managing orders. It is not a single person job, especially when you already have a full time day job.
I have several customers that have been patiently waiting for over a year to get their kits.

So with that said, take your time Ron. Do your thing and dont let anyone push you. Testing is important and that seems to be your concern. Perfect!
It may not be feasible to recreate these things either. But i really hope it is and everything pans out.

I second this^. Take your time and do it right when you're ready.

And remember that lots of people express interest, few actually produce the cash. Don't get me wrong, this is an awesome upgrade and I think people will want it, just don't count on every excited forum post. One thing I've noticed after all these years is that many people just like having the option to buy things, rather than actually buying them.

[DMC-Ron]

Josh, Nicholas,
Points taken... and understood - I was hesitant to announce ahead of beta. But we're in the midst of developing options now and I hope to bring into the discussion various features to get directional feedback. This forum group is quite remarkable in terms of member knowledge and depth of commitment.

I appreciate your support and reassurance.
Ron

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I still hav a kit left but the price on it is $500. Here is a picture of what comes in the kit. http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=61781&stc=1&d=1573681343 If interested contact me at: [email protected].

[WHO1DMC]

Sent email.

[bueller]

I got one of these a couple weeks ago and was super impressed. Full kit with everything you need and great instructions. Plus.. sequential lights are so cool on our cars. Been wanting something like this for years.

Highly recommend.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I got one of these a couple weeks ago and was super impressed. Full kit with everything you need and great instructions. Plus.. sequential lights are so cool on our cars. Been wanting something like this for years.

Highly recommend.

Thank You very much for the kind words and recommendations. I have met many super nice people since introducing this design. Hope to meet many more! DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I have another Tail light Sequencer kit ready to go. If interested email me at: [email protected].

[WHO1DMC]

Just received the sequencer kit from Deep Space Cowboy. I'm very impressed. Very well put together and professional. The instructions with illustrations are top notch.

Very Happy at this point.

Dave B.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Just received the sequencer kit from Deep Space Cowboy. I'm very impressed. Very well put together and professional. The instructions with illustrations are top notch.

Very Happy at this point.

Dave B.

Thank You Dave! If you have any questions or need any help please call! DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Finally have two more Taillight Sequencer Kits boxed up and ready to ship. Just email me at [email protected].

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

After getting some renewed interest in my kits, I decided to post the updated instructions.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

First picture is of kit.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I have a video of a DeLorean with this kit installed and working. If you would like me to send you a copy please email me at [email protected].

[bueller]

One of my favorite upgrades I've done to my car. Quality unit and super simple to install. Definitely recommend.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

One of my favorite upgrades I've done to my car. Quality unit and super simple to install. Definitely recommend.

Thank You very much! -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I’ve had several people ask me if they can use their LED Tail Light circuit boards with my modules. The answer is no....The reason is that I purchase two new DeLorean tail light circuit boards from DMC Texas and modify them completely to work with my modules. My modified boards use 1157 dual filament LED lights where the regular DeLorean LED tail light circuit boards use 1156 single filament LED lights. Just wanted everyone to know.-DS

[DMC-Ron]

I am following up to let everyone know we have finished our testing and our taillight sequencer board is now available. The boards have been operating in two of our test cars for over an year and in several other test cars for shorter time frames. Test cars include both manual and auto transmission, added functions such as backup camera tied to backup light circuit, side markers linked to turn signal, high mount third brake light bar, as well as very factory original. During the course of the testing we made adjustments to the circuitry and the firmware to solve compatibility issues with several owner added features. The boards are now performing well with these various upgrades.

Additional discussion of the boards can be found here:
http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?18385-Drayron-Sequential-Tail-Light-Boards

Just to recap the product: The Tail Light Sequencer is a drop in replacement for the DeLorean tail light board with no modification to the car or wiring required. It adds programmable turn signal and emergency flasher sequencing as well as a special parade mode animation.

The board features enhanced brightness where the three middle red segments of the DeLorean taillight lens are fitted with dual element lighting. This feature allows all three middle elements to work as both running lights and brake lights. The additional segments increase the car’s running visibility at night and enhance the brake lights both day and night. This heightens the car’s presence and increases awareness.

The boards sequencing is user selected via on-board switches. Sweep Mode – single segment sweep across the taillight. Sequence Mode – all segments sequence on across the taillight (often referred to as Mustang mode). Additionally the board can be set to for brake and running lights to operate as factory original, with the addition of turn signal sequencing.

Operational videos and additional technical info can be found at: https://drayron.com/

The kit has everything needed for installation, including the brightest LED bulbs we could find and an adjustable timing flasher.
Kit Contents:
• 2x Drayron Sequencer boards
• 6x 1157 Red LED Bulbs (SuperBrightLEDs 1157-RHP28-T)
• 2x 1156 Amber LED Bulbs (SuperBrightLEDs 1156-AHP28-T)
• 2x 1156 White LED Bulbs (LUYED B01H54SP6O)
• 1x Adjustable Timing Electronic Flasher Relay

Thanks to everyone that supported and encouraged us. Our limited first production run sold out. Our second production run is just being completed and we have kits available. They are being sold thru DeLorean Parts Northwest (but they have not been added to the website yet, so call Toby and he will help you). For now we continue to sell kits thru our DRAYRON.COM website as well. If you have any questions, please feel free to bring them to my attention either here or via PM.

Ron Anderson

[Domi]

Can you use the three red light without any sequential mode?
I mean just like the original light but all the red light on and more bright for the brakes?
Thanks!

[DMC-Ron]

Can you use the three red light without any sequential mode?
I mean just like the original light but all the red light on and more bright for the brakes?
Thanks!

Domi,
Yes. The taillights have dual element 1157 bulbs in the three middle red segments and are set up to operate all three segments as running lights (low intensity) and brake lights (high intensity). Additionally, You can override the turn signal sweep: Put the lights into "learn" mode (see installation manual) with the adjustable flasher set to high flash. After you get out of "learn" mode, the turn signal will operate only the yellow segment (like an original car). However, I would encourage you to try out the default turn signal trace before you disable it. It really makes an already unique car even more distinctive.

Ron

[Domi]

Thank you very much for your answer Ron.
I don't know if the sequential light is allowed in France right now.

[bigmac]

Thank you very much for your answer Ron.
I don't know if the sequential light is allowed in France right now.

Domi

If you have mustangs in France they have the sequential tails lights then you will be fine.


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[CFI]

Domi

If you have mustangs in France they have the sequential tails lights then you will be fine.


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Unless Ford modifies them to follow local laws.

Even if the Mustangs in France do have the sequential flashing, it may not be legal to modify your car to do so.

[Domi]

We do have the Mustang in France but the light is different than in the USA, unfortunately...

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

It would be nice if you would start your own thread instead if using mine.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

644596445964460 Here is a side marker flasher that I designed years ago for Chevy’s and Ford’s. Don’t know if it will work on a DeLorean so someone out there will have to let me know. Only uses (2) automotive relays and (1) 1n4007 diode. I would seal thr relays with rtv silicone if they are not sealed. Cheers! -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

This flashes in sequence with your blinker when you turn it on. Looks great at night. -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Oops, I meant a 1N4002 diode like it shows on the print. I also used Panasonic miniature automotive relays but they are kind of expensive. A ny good relay will work as long as it’s a 12 volt relay with at least 2 amp contacts. -DS

[Josh]

644596445964460 Here is a side marker flasher that I designed years ago for Chevy’s and Ford’s. Don’t know if it will work on a DeLorean so someone out there will have to let me know. Only uses (2) automotive relays and (1) 1n4007 diode. I would seal thr relays with rtv silicone if they are not sealed. Cheers! -DS

Using two relays to run a side marker is pretty terrible circuit design and clunky.
If you are using incandecents having flashing side markers is as easy as wiring the lights in series.
With LEDs its a little more challenging but a member here makes modules to make this possible. They are very affordable.
https://dm-eng.weebly.com/

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

You are right. Wiring the lights in series would do the trick. I think with the LED’s all you really need is one diode.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

64466Here’s a better ‘clunky’ version that will work on LED or incandescent bulbs. Just one relay and a little wiring.BooYah! -DS

[Bitsyncmaster]

64466Here’s a better ‘clunky’ version that will work on LED or incandescent bulbs. Just one relay and a little wiring.BooYah! -DS

It looks like that will only blink the side lights if the "running lights" are on.

[bigmac]

It looks like that will only blink the side lights if the "running lights" are on.

Yes based on the wiring the side marker light is powered from the running light circuit. Without the running lights on the relay will cycle with the indicator but with no light flash.


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[DMC-Ron]

During our testing we ran into a common DeLorean Owner alteration to make the side markers flash with the turn signals. This requires no relays.

Here is the standard front turn signal wiring before the alteration:
64467

And here is the wiring modification to make the side markers flash with the turn signal:
64468

I'm not sure of the originator of this, but it is presented on the Danial Stern website:
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/markerflash/markerflash.html

This modification requires the polarity to reverse thru the side marker bulbs. Previously, LED side marker BA9 bulbs would not work with this modification. However, non-directional (polarity insensitive) LED BA9 bulbs are now available, so this modification can be used with the non-directional LED bulbs.

While this modification works, it is not a best practice design technique. It depends on the side marker bulbs using the turn signal bulbs for grounding. It adds a low residual voltage to the turn signal circuit. We encountered this in our testing and had to adjust our taillight circuitry to ignore the residual.

The flashing side markers are definitely an improved safety feature that enhances turn signal visibility to other drivers. I would strongly recommend using Dave's side-marker flashers should you want this enhancement. Dave has designed his product properly and it works well without interjecting residual voltages in the turn signal circuit. We have had no issues working with his product.
https://dm-eng.weebly.com/

Ron

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Sounds good to me. It’s all way above my abilities. -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=64469&stc=1&d=1600009844 These relays are really small and sealed. You can get a relay base with them to make soldering easier.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=64477&stc=1&d=1600098295 I searched and searched any finally found a ‘Clunky’ circuit that supposedly will flash the side maker in day or night. I don’t know if it works, haven’t tried it yet but here it is. -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

It looks like that will only blink the side lights if the "running lights" are on.

I looked and looked and found a circuit that would blink day or night and posted it on page 10. Had my cad man draw it up. It may or may not work, who knows.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Using two relays to run a side marker is pretty terrible circuit design and clunky.
If you are using incandecents having flashing side markers is as easy as wiring the lights in series.
With LEDs its a little more challenging but a member here makes modules to make this possible. They are very affordable.
https://dm-eng.weebly.com/

New, improved even more chunkier than the first version. Posted on page 10. The internet is full of this stuff!

[Josh]

I enjoy that you have used the word clunky several times since my last post.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I enjoy that you have used the word clunky several times since my last post.

Hey Josh, when your right your right! It’s the best description of everything I post! Right on!

[gluaisrothaii]

Drayron- awesome job, love it. I’m down for a set whenever they are available again. Seems like the mods might need to split this thread to remove the off topic covefe.

Best,
Ken

[DMC-Ron]

Drayron- awesome job, love it. I’m down for a set whenever they are available again. Seems like the mods might need to split this thread to remove the off topic covefe.

Best,
Ken

Ken,
Super. I believe Toby at DeLorean Parts Northwest still has some inventory:
https://www.delorean-parts.com/product/wings-a-light-sequential-tail-light-kit/
Call to confirm.

Sincerely,
Ron

[gluaisrothaii]

Ken,
Super. I believe Toby at DeLorean Parts Northwest still has some inventory:
https://www.delorean-parts.com/product/wings-a-light-sequential-tail-light-kit/
Call to confirm.

Sincerely,
Ron

Ordered from DPNW. Thanks!