New plug-n-play Tailight Sequencer

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

https://youtu.be/hxkKZDbabAA Here is a link to my new plug - n - play sequencer that is in the works.

[Patrick C]

https://youtu.be/hxkKZDbabAA Here is a link to my new plug - n - play sequencer that is in the works.

Very nice!!!

[L3V3L1]

Looking good. Less than 500 bucks, I hope!

[Michael]

Nice! So does this use the oe boards? Is it like an inline controller that plugs between the board and harness or a complete new board?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Nice! So does this use the oe boards? Is it like an inline controller that plugs between the board and harness or a complete new board?

It would be nice if I could come up with an in line module that just plugged in line with your original taillight boards. Unfortunately, I’m not that smart. I still have to purchase two new boards and modify them to work with my circuit. A module is attached to the modified boards but it is pretty small. The cost will be a lot cheaper than my original version.

[ssdelorean]

Very nice!!!

What he said! :bigclap:

[Josh]

The timing is kind of poor, there is already a very polished sequential taillight board available through DMCNW.

https://www.delorean-parts.com/product/wings-a-light-sequential-tail-light-kit/?fbclid=IwAR37CTWbeh39sXgS-kVapR9P17NXgQnG_DYCACZYTyzwft7iCH-smP3j1Q8

[WHO1DMC]

To be fair it doesn't hurt to have competition.

Deepspacecowboy had his gen 1 sequential lights out first. I have a set and they work great! They may not be as fancy but if there is a failure they can be reverted back to normal operation with the same boards without worry.

Dave B.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

To be fair it doesn't hurt to have competition.

Deepspacecowboy had his gen 1 sequential lights out first. I have a set and they work great! They may not be as fancy but if there is a failure they can be reverted back to normal operation with the same boards without worry.

Dave B.

Thank you! Thank you! I wanted to get a p-n-p unit out there that’s a lot cheaper to build.

[Michael]

The timing is kind of poor, there is already a very polished sequential taillight board available through DMCNW.

https://www.delorean-parts.com/product/wings-a-light-sequential-tail-light-kit/?fbclid=IwAR37CTWbeh39sXgS-kVapR9P17NXgQnG_DYCACZYTyzwft7iCH-smP3j1Q8

Which is out of stock.

I don't know what it is but sequential DeLorean tailights are in like Pumpkin spice.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Which is out of stock.

I don't know what it is but sequential DeLorean tailights are in like Pumpkin spice.

I’m just finishing this up but if I get enough interest I’ll speed up the process. This first version is incandescent lights only. I’ll work on LED next. I would really like to know what people prefer, incandescent or LED?

[Michael]

I’m just finishing this up but if I get enough interest I’ll speed up the process. This first version is incandescent lights only. I’ll work on LED next. I would really like to know what people prefer, incandescent or LED?

I don't want to give the impression that I would be a customer, but the fade time of the incandescent bulbs appeals to me.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I don't want to give the impression that I would be a customer, but the fade time of the incandescent bulbs appeals to me.

Thank you! That’s the kind of feedback I’m looking for.

[Citizen]

[snip]... the fade time of the incandescent bulbs appeals to me.

This is something I've noticed on newer cars, not just DeLoreans with incandescent lights replaced with LEDs.

It's hard to explain. With blinkers, tail lights (incl. 3rd tail lights), even head lights, there is a warmth with incandescent lights that's just not there with LEDs, esp. say at dusk or dawn. While I like the concept and energy efficiency of LEDs, I feel like we've moved from away from a golden automotive era, to another that is less personal. Sort of like the loss of chrome bumpers on cars, replaced with a plastic covered steel bar. Or like steering-wheel mounted slap paddles for changing gears on automatic transmissions, it's just not the same as using a clutch pedal on the floor and going through a center mounted "four on the floor" (or five) manual transmission stick-shift.

Oh, the memories.

(End of sob-story.)

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[CFI]

Or like steering-wheel mounted slap paddles for changing gears on automatic transmissions, it's just not the same as using a clutch pedal on the floor and going through a center mounted "four on the floor" (or five) manual transmission stick-shift.


I agree. In the past, the manual transmission was the way to go if you wanted quicker acceleration and better fuel economy. Not any more. When I was shopping for Mustangs I was surprised that the auto is both quicker and more fuel efficient. Still not as fun to drive though :)

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I would like to mount my control circuit board to the back of the tail light circuit board but don’t know if it will fit without rubbing on the back bulkhead. Could someone tell me what the distance from the front of the mounting flange for the tail light Assembly to the back bulkhead? I attached a couple of pictures to show what I’m talking about. Any help appreciated. Don’t have access to a DeLorean to check for myself. Thank you.

[David T]

This is something I've noticed on newer cars, not just DeLoreans with incandescent lights replaced with LEDs.

It's hard to explain. With blinkers, tail lights (incl. 3rd tail lights), even head lights, there is a warmth with incandescent lights that's just not there with LEDs, esp. say at dusk or dawn. While I like the concept and energy efficiency of LEDs, I feel like we've moved from away from a golden automotive era, to another that is less personal. Sort of like the loss of chrome bumpers on cars, replaced with a plastic covered steel bar. Or like steering-wheel mounted slap paddles for changing gears on automatic transmissions, it's just not the same as using a clutch pedal on the floor and going through a center mounted "four on the floor" (or five) manual transmission stick-shift.

Oh, the memories.

(End of sob-story.)

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How about the good old days when it took a real man to crank up a motor and get it going? It's OK to be nostalgic about the past but you have to accept the future and progress. Cars are much more reliable, safer, built better, and last longer than ever. "Back in the day", you would clean the spark plugs and points about every 2-3000 miles, shim bearings about every 10,000 miles, repair flat tires on almost every trip, and on and on. These days no one bothers to check their oil level or tire pressures. About all they do is fill the gas tank and maybe wash it once in a while! LED bulbs are MUCH safer than incandescent because they last a LOT longer. A burnt out bulb is unsafe.

[Bitsyncmaster]

Drive a new car with the factory 6000K LED headlights and you will never want to drive again with incandescent.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I have an LED version of my plug-n-play sequencer circuit. Have not had any printed circuit boards made for this version yet. Did anyone happen to see my original question?

[D001264]

I’m leaning towards the LEDs, any chance there will be another cool video with the LEDs?

Thanks for sharing the project!

[JETS 81 DMC]

I would like to mount my control circuit board to the back of the tail light circuit board but don’t know if it will fit without rubbing on the back bulkhead. Could someone tell me what the distance from the front of the mounting flange for the tail light Assembly to the back bulkhead? I attached a couple of pictures to show what I’m talking about. Any help appreciated. Don’t have access to a DeLorean to check for myself. Thank you.

See his post #16 for a question with pictures he is asking for some help with.



A bump for ya DeepSpace

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I’m leaning towards the LEDs, any chance there will be another cool video with the LEDs?

Thanks for sharing the project!

I’ll post a video with LED’s in the next day or so. Thanks! DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I’m leaning towards the LEDs, any chance there will be another cool video with the LEDs?

Thanks for sharing the project!

On second thought, give me a week. I have to order some parts.

[Timeless]

Drive a new car with the factory 6000K LED headlights and you will never want to drive again with incandescent.
INDEED! Ridiculously great.

[DMC-Ron]

I would like to mount my control circuit board to the back of the tail light circuit board but don’t know if it will fit without rubbing on the back bulkhead. Could someone tell me what the distance from the front of the mounting flange for the tail light Assembly to the back bulkhead? I attached a couple of pictures to show what I’m talking about. Any help appreciated. Don’t have access to a DeLorean to check for myself. Thank you.

I think you'll be OK. Our first attempt at a sequencer product was a piggyback board that snapped on to the existing taillight board:
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Here is a photo of the board inside the rear fascia:
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It was tight but it fit. It looks like your board is thinner when you consider the connector that we had. Actual clearance behind the taillight board is difficult to measure. The problem is the clearance distance varies depending on both horizontal and vertical location. The taillight lens is angled and the fascia pocket for the taillight is also angled. Additionally, there is the wiring harness behind the board.

To be sure, it would be best to install your board in a car and verify the clearance.

Ron

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I think you'll be OK. Our first attempt at a sequencer product was a piggyback board that snapped on to the existing taillight board:
64904

Here is a photo of the board inside the rear fascia:
64905

It was tight but it fit. It looks like your board is thinner when you consider the connector that we had. Actual clearance behind the taillight board is difficult to measure. The problem is the clearance distance varies depending on both horizontal and vertical location. The taillight lens is angled and the fascia pocket for the taillight is also angled. Additionally, there is the wiring harness behind the board.

To be sure, it would be best to install your board in a car and verify the clearance.

Ron
Thanks Ron! That really helps! Thank you for including the pictures also. I’m with you, I think I’ll need to check installation on the real thing.

[L3V3L1]

Thanks Ron! That really helps! Thank you for including the pictures also. I’m with you, I think I’ll need to check installation on the real thing.
Send me a set! I'll be happy to be the guinea pig! 😂

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Send me a set! I'll be happy to be the guinea pig! 😂

If you lived in Oklahoma I would consider it!

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

https://youtube.be/cZZnjLpiga4 Here is an updated video of my plug-n-play sequencer that allows you to use either LED or Incandescent lights. You can also adjust the speed a little bit. Let me know what you think! -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I’m leaning towards the LEDs, any chance there will be another cool video with the LEDs?

Thanks for sharing the project!

https://youtube.be/cZZnjLpiga4 Per your request.

[D001264]

I am getting a 404 file not found error on the link. But eager to see what you have to share.

[D001264]

Just followed the original link to your YouTube videos to find the led version.

WOW - very nice. Love to here more about your plans for production time frame and cost projections when your ready.

Thanks again for posting the LED video.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

https://youtu.be/cZZnjLpiga4 Sorry the original link was incorrect! This should work right.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Just followed the original link to your YouTube videos to find the led version.

WOW - very nice. Love to here more about your plans for production time frame and cost projections when your ready.

Thanks again for posting the LED video.

My initial plans are to make five kits. These will consist of two modified tail light circuit boards and one adjustable flasher. I’m hoping to sell these for a minimum of $325 and a maximum of $350. I have not finished calculating the final cost. There will be no bulbs shipped with the kits. There’s a possibility that a person here in Tulsa will use their DeLoean for initial testing but this is not a sure thing yet. Anyway....I’ll keep you updated on progress. -DS

[D001264]

Great!
Put me on your prospective customer list.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Great!
Put me on your prospective customer list.

After going over my costs last night I’ve narrowed down the final cost to some better numbers. The new range is $275 to$300 with $275 being the kit cost and $10 to $25 for shipping.

[L3V3L1]

After going over my costs last night I’ve narrowed down the final cost to some better numbers. The new range is $275 to$300 with $275 being the kit cost and $10 to $25 for shipping.
I'll take 1.

[Justin Trabue]

After going over my costs last night I’ve narrowed down the final cost to some better numbers. The new range is $275 to$300 with $275 being the kit cost and $10 to $25 for shipping.



Please add me to the list.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Please add me to the list.

Sorry for the late reply, I’ve just been out of the loop. (Not COVID-19 related). Getting ready to pot some control boards and assemble production set. When I get my production board ready I will post pictures and probably another video. Thank you for your inquiry.

[L3V3L1]

Are these in production yet?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=66401&stc=1&d=1622004823 I still have one of my original kits for sale. This attachment compares the old Sequencer to my new one. I hope to have a new PNP kit made up shortly. I won't be making any more of the older Sequential kits. When I have an actual PNP kit ready to ship, I'll let you know. Sorry about the increase in price, prices on everything have been going up. -DS

[Josh]

Yours are pretty much the same price as the DRAYRON sequencer units now, comparing their board only version to yours (neither include lights at this price point.

https://drayron.com/product-category/products/

I'm wondering what the advantage of yours are, the DRAYRON offering has been in development and testing on multiple cars for several years and quite a few pairs sold. Why would someone buy yours over theirs?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Yours are pretty much the same price as the DRAYRON sequencer units now, comparing their board only version to yours (neither include lights at this price point.

https://drayron.com/product-category/products/

I'm wondering what the advantage of yours are, the DRAYRON offering has been in development and testing on multiple cars for several years and quite a few pairs sold. Why would someone buy yours over theirs?

There is no advantage of my kit over theirs! I’m just giving anyone interested an option to look at. As far as I know, their board is WAY Better than mine. If I don’t sell another kit, I won’t lose any sleep over it. Cheers! -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Ok, I finally finished my first p-n-p kit and finished testing today. I still have a few touch ups to do then I’ll post a few pictures of the final product. This sequencer is similar to my first model in that the control circuitry plugs into the tail light circuit board with trailer light plugs so if there is a failure I can switch out the bad module with a good one. As you can see in the video this sequencer will use LED’s or incandescent bulbs, your choice. Price has gone up to $350 and we pay shipping in the USA. Hope to have pics posted tomorrow. Cheers! -DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Here is a picture of the production model p-n-p sequencer. As I said it has plug in electronics similar to my first model. This will be final tested today and ready to ship. -DS

[L3V3L1]

Here is a picture of the production model p-n-p sequencer. As I said it has plug in electronics similar to my first model. This will be final tested today and ready to ship. -DS

How do you order a set?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

How do you order a set?

Just contact me at my regular email address which is: [email protected]
If you will give me your phone number, I’ll give you a call. Payment is made thru PayPal. I usually ship USPS Priority mail. -DS

[Helirich]

How do you order a set?

Please give us a review if you get a set.

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

Just shipped off my p-n-p sequencer kit today. I have two more sets of DeLorean tail light circuit boards ordered so I can make two more kits. These should be done some time next week. I still have one of my original sequencer kits in stock. Cheers! - DS

[dmcman73]

Here is a picture of the production model p-n-p sequencer. As I said it has plug in electronics similar to my first model. This will be final tested today and ready to ship. -DS

There's a lot going on in here. Also, what may you use trailer hitch connectors instead of weather packs?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

There's a lot going on in here. Also, what may you use trailer hitch connectors instead of weather packs?

I’ve looked at the weather pack connectors and they are very nice but also relatively expensive. If someone wanted to use those it would be no problem but my kit price would go up to match the additional expense.

We include self fusing tape with our kit to close the small gap on our connector. As the connector is actually inside the car and not on the outside, we think that this sufficient for the conditions. - DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

My p-n-p sequencer failed to operate with incandescent lights when installed. I did find a couple of bad flasher relays in my stock but after testing it looks like there is too much of a voltage drop for my system to use incandescent lights. There would have to be a separate power wire to each tail light circuit board for my sequencer to work with incandescent bulbs. My original design does have a separate power wire, 14ga, to each board. I made a comparison chart, attached, showing the current draw of incandescent vs LED bulbs. Ther is a huge difference and this current would all be going thru the one original blinker wire to each blinker. Anyway, I will test my p-n-p boards with LED bulbs only and see how that works out. Any volunteers out there?

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

https://youtu.be/vllGsf46HiY

https://youtu.be/T_HBUspzIPI

Here are the links to the videos showing the effects of low voltage - low current on incandescent bulbs vs. LED bulbs. Video shows when 4 incandescent bulbs are lit, it’s drawing around 8 amps where the 4 LED bulbs will pull about 1.5 amps. My new plug-n-play sequencer will have to use LED bulbs to work. My original sequencer should be able to run both types since an extra 12v wire runs to each module. - DS

[DeepSpace Cowboy]

I decided to stop making and selling my V1 Sequencer and just produce the V2 plug-n-play version. I’ll still support my first version but no longer produce it. No one liked having to add the 12v and ground lines to make it work.
A new option to my p-n-p version will be that you can purchase the kit with or without LED lights. The ‘no bulbs’ kit will still be $350. If you want to buy the ‘8 bulb’ version it will cost $384 and the ‘10 bulb’ version will cost $392.50. The reason for the 8 or 10 bulb option is that my circuit DOES NOT control the back-up light. You can use LED or incandescent bulbs for back-up lights and it doesn’t matter. My p-n-p sequencer WILL NOT work with incandescent bulbs. Too much of a voltage/current drop for the small wire. We offer the Antoine LED bulb because they are super bright and we have not had one bulb fail yet. We do not add any price increase to the bulb price. Anyone can buy them for the same price on Amazon or you can get something else. Just be aware that higher wattage bulbs may cause the circuit to fail.