Starter shortage?

[Helirich]

Awhile back I bought a Eagle starter to replace my OEM. I got it at the zone with a lifetime warranty. Of course, that warranty is not real good because none of the Zones stock them. So I bought another of the same. This allows me to replace a non working starter immediately and get it replaced at the zone when they get one in. If I take a long trip, I carry an extra starter and alternator so those items canÂ’t shut me down.

So, a couple weeks ago I knoticed my starter was clicking during start. I figured it was only a matter of time til it quit. I changed it out with my spare and took the weak one back to get warranty. Autozone told me they donÂ’t have another one in stock in the warehouse. When I asked about the warranty, they said they would refund my money. They said if they do that, my bad starter would go to the rebuild place and I could buy it again later. But they couldnÂ’t garrentee that it wont get bought by someone else. I decided to keep it for now.

Has anybody else run into this? Not sure if the starter is just that rare or maybe this is part of the supply chain problems in the Biden economy.

[Ron]

Google it...

At O'Reilly, near you :):

https://www.oreillyauto.com/search?q=R612473B

[Michael]

Covid has been every business's "scapegoat" since the spring of 2020.

[Helirich]

Google it...

At O'Reilly, near you :):
https://www.oreillyauto.com/search?q=R612473B



I may have to, but Oreillys doesn’t have a national data base. So if you buy something in your local store, the Oreillys a thousand miles away can’t find your name. This is true for advanced auto also. I’m not saying you can’t eventually get your warranty, but it’s harder. This doesn’t matter to most people, but I keep my vehicles along time. I’ve gotten several alternators and starters for my truck over the years.

[D Knight]

Not true at all. I ran a couple Oreilly stores. The customer database is company wide.


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[Helirich]

Not true at all. I ran a couple Oreilly stores. The customer database is company wide.


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I had two different Oreillys in two states tell me it is not. I guess they don’t know how to operate their computer.

[82DMC12]

Google it...

At O'Reilly, near you :):
https://www.oreillyauto.com/search?q=R612473B



This starter is plug-and-play and needs to modifications to work on a stock engine? This is the "small" starter people are using instead of the old Paris Rhone? If so I might grab one.

[Helirich]

This starter is plug-and-play and needs to modifications to work on a stock engine? This is the "small" starter people are using instead of the old Paris Rhone? If so I might grab one.

You want the 88’ Eagle Premier starter. When I clicked that link, the text suggested it was, but the picture was not. (It had side mount bolts where as ours mounts with bolts on the end) It maybe that they just have a file photo.

[82DMC12]

You want the 88’ Eagle Premier starter. When I clicked that link, the text suggested it was, but the picture was not. (It had side mount bolts where as ours mounts with bolts on the end) It maybe that they just have a file photo.Good catch, I didn't notice the mounting configuration in the photo. I'm guessing it's just a stock photo. I could order the starter and see what I get, and if it's not right tell them to send it back.

Not that I really need to start it right now but it would be nice to have the smaller one to free up some room under my headers and always good to have a backup on the shelf.

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[Ron]

Try this link: https://www.oreillyauto.com/search?q=R612473B

And it does require a simple modification -- You have to add a pigtail as shown HERE (http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?2200-Eagle-Premier-Starter&p=29588&viewfull=1#post29588).

[D Knight]

I had two different Oreillys in two states tell me it is not. I guess they don’t know how to operate their computer.

That is a possibility. The new hire prospects isn’t very good


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[Helirich]

Good catch, I didn't notice the mounting configuration in the photo. I'm guessing it's just a stock photo. I could order the starter and see what I get, and if it's not right tell them to send it back.

Not that I really need to start it right now but it would be nice to have the smaller one to free up some room under my headers and always good to have a backup on the shelf.

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The smaller one is nice because you don’t have to remove the oil filter to change starters. It’s still very tight under my headers. (DPI)

[Helirich]

That is a possibility. The new hire prospects isn’t very good


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Does the store that replaces a starter in warranty lose any money? I was wondering if they just didn’t “want” to find me in the computer because they didn’t want to lose money when they didn’t sell it to me.

[82DMC12]

I have DMCH stage 1 headers. Would I have to remove that side of the exhaust to get the starter out? I remember I changed solenoids out no problem but the starter was going to be an issue. I see you have to remove the DPI header but can anyone confirm the DMCH style?

[Nicholas R]

I have DMCH stage 1 headers. Would I have to remove that side of the exhaust to get the starter out? I remember I changed solenoids out no problem but the starter was going to be an issue. I see you have to remove the DPI header but can anyone confirm the DMCH style?

While I have no first hand experience doing this job, many years ago I had a conversation with Don Steger regarding how bulky the stage 1 exhaust headers were (citing it as one of the reasons that I went with the UK stainless exhaust instead). At the time he said that yes, the stage 1 RH header does interfere with starter removal and must be removed, or at least significantly loosened to do a starter change out. Our conversation did not delineate between big/small starters so I'm not sure if that makes a difference -- though I would imagine having the smaller starter helps.

[82DMC12]

While I have no first hand experience doing this job, many years ago I had a conversation with Don Steger regarding how bulky the stage 1 exhaust headers were (citing it as one of the reasons that I went with the UK stainless exhaust instead). At the time he said that yes, the stage 1 RH header does interfere with starter removal and must be removed, or at least significantly loosened to do a starter change out. Our conversation did not delineate between big/small starters so I'm not sure if that makes a difference -- though I would imagine having the smaller starter helps.

Thanks. I'll have to have a fresh manifold gasket and cat gasket on hand before I do this then.

[Andrew]

As of 30 seconds ago, Rockauto shows 4 starter options available.

[Helirich]

As of 30 seconds ago, Rockauto shows 4 starter options available.

4 options or 4 starters? Didn’t know there were 4 options. Is the Eagle considered the best option?

[AugustneverEnds]

4 options or 4 starters? Didn’t know there were 4 options. Is the Eagle considered the best option?

I see three different remanufactured starters at Rockauto (searching for a 1990 or 91 Eagle Premier)

I bought a Mitsubishi Electrics brand starter cross-referenced to 90-91 Eagle Premier from Autozone four years ago. No problems to report

[dmcman73]

I see three different remanufactured starters at Rockauto (searching for a 1990 or 91 Eagle Premier)

I bought a Mitsubishi Electrics brand starter cross-referenced to 90-91 Eagle Premier from Autozone four years ago. No problems to report

You're lucky. I bought one from Autozone and I was able to start the car with it once. I returned it and they refunded me full price. Luckily I have an Eagle premiere engine that I am going to work on to do a swap in a year or two so I borrowed the starter from there in the mean time.

[AugustneverEnds]

You're lucky. I bought one from Autozone and I was able to start the car with it once. I returned it and they refunded me full price. Luckily I have an Eagle premiere engine that I am going to work on to do a swap in a year or two so I borrowed the starter from there in the mean time.

That sucks. At least they gave you your money back. I figure if mine goes that's what the lifetime warranty is for.

[dmcman73]

That sucks. At least they gave you your money back. I figure if mine goes that's what the lifetime warranty is for.

Well the one good thing from it, I found out I was able to replace the starter without removing the exhaust heads or oil filter, I have the DPI system. I was able to remove the starter, pull it towards the oil filter to clear the transmission bell housing and then snake it through towards the back of the engine (towards the transmission). You have to rotate the starter a bit to clear it all. Installing the other one, I just performed those steps in reverse order.

[Trevino08]

Not to beat a dead horse but I can’t find a starter from O’Reilly’s through the links. When I search it shows two options and they are Ultima Brand. Anyone know the difference between the two?

[Ron]

Not to beat a dead horse but I can’t find a starter from O’Reilly’s through the links. When I search it shows two options and they are Ultima Brand. Anyone know the difference between the two?
I can't see the part numbers in your attachment, but I can see that the upper one is not correct (two vertical bolts). The lower one looks correct and should be part number R612473A (https://www.oreillyauto.com/shop/b/alternators---starters/starter/dad3c6651e74/v/a/2164/automotive-car-1988-eagle-premier?q=starter).

[Trevino08]

Thank you!! I should've seen that. I guess I was too tired! All the previous posts had said Remy was the preferred brand but this is Ultima. Any input?

[Ron]

Thank you!! I should've seen that. I guess I was too tired! All the previous posts had said Remy was the preferred brand but this is Ultima. Any input?YW!
"Remy", or Delco-Remy, has a popular D replacement alternator...

The Ultima R612473B is a very popular D replacement starter.
Check out the pic showing an original and an Ultima with the simple modification required HERE (https://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?2200-Eagle-Premier-Starter&p=29588&viewfull=1#post29588).
(Try it, you'll like it ;-)

[iflights]

There's a place right by me that repairs alternators and starters, Essentially anything DC.

Top notch work and will be the first place I use when I need something rebuilt. Been around since 1963.

https://hansautoelectric.com