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dmcindiana
07-03-2023, 01:04 AM
Hi, everyone. Quick background.

Pretty new owner here. Got 10620 in April. One of the teeny-tiny clean-ups I wanted to do was reattach the rear 5-module cradle to its metal bulkhead. It was just sitting loose, unlike the front cradle. Relays had to come out to do that. Attached successfully, put the relays back. Went to a car show that weekend, then drove it to work on Monday. No problem. Leaving work, 2 things start happening kind of simultaneously. The first is that the engine dies at every stop. I get the car safely off the road in someone's driveway, and I'm sure it's a latent loose-relay issue. So I give all 5 rear ones a little wiggle and then I get the second issue, which is that nothing happens when I turn the key. I give another wiggle and I can get it started again, but the dying at every stop is consistent all the way home.

At home, I pull the relay cradle out again, and it was clear I had pushed a starter relay contact out. Fixed that. Idle problem remains. Went through 2 basic checks I read about on here. Idle speed motor opens and closes the way it's supposed to when the key's in the second position. RPM shoots up when I disconnect the right ECU connector, engine running. For the 3rd basic check, I did the Dave M. recommendation to adjust curb idle. Hot engine, adjust in till it goes just above the 775 then back out slightly. Then I had to adjust the upper screw for the microswitch, which wasn't closing as a result of the curb adjustment. That appears to have done the trick. I should mention that the position the curb screw was in before I adjusted was such that I could not slide a piece of paper between the screw and its resting surface, but if I opened the throttle to slide the paper in and released, I could slide the paper back out without tearing it. A little yank was required, but no tearing. Same thing hot or cold.

Question 1: why did this work? After a sudden release of the throttle, the RPM still dips below normal idle before recovering. Why would it matter where the curb idle is set? Am I not masking a problem in the idle circuit by increasing curb idle? Is it that a slight increase of curb idle results in a matching increase of minimum downswing after sudden throttle release? And that's just the little boost that the idle circuit needed to work right?

Question 2: why the sudden onset? Both screws were rusty-crusty. There's no way either screw was backing out on its own. Has my recent driving jostled the entire throttle assembly just enough to back the adjustment arm out a smidge? Anyone with a similar experience? The PO put very little mileage on the car. I've just about hit his mileage in only 2.5 months. (What can I say, I'm enjoying the snot out of it.)

dmcindiana
07-11-2023, 07:08 PM
Little bump.

Was hoping to get some insight on the curb idle setting's interaction with the idle circuit.

Bitsyncmaster
07-11-2023, 07:54 PM
A lot of owners have found the idle spool not always returning the same every time. Make sure your throttle cable has a little slack with the throttle closed. Put a little grease on that large spring on the throttle spool. When engine is running the normal engine vacuum tends to make the throttle return more sticky.

If your engine is stalling, try to clean the idle motor with solvent and then a little light oil. By the way the smaller Volvo idle motor works much better than the stock unit.

Bad deceleration springs can also cause idle problems. Mostly you get high idle RPM even with the curb idle screw backed all the way out. But it can cause other problems.

dmcindiana
07-15-2023, 08:07 PM
Thanks, Dave. Your advice confirms my thoughts about the throttle assembly playing a role.

My ISM appears to be new. And it's definitely smaller than stock, with a segment of hose cut out as a spacer. The motor has a mark on it that looks like a letter B in a target crosshairs. Is that Volvo brand? A search for it isn't turning up much.

Is there a Volvo part number in case I ever do need to replace it?

Rich
07-16-2023, 11:21 AM
Thanks, Dave. Your advice confirms my thoughts about the throttle assembly playing a role.

My ISM appears to be new. And it's definitely smaller than stock, with a segment of hose cut out as a spacer. The motor has a mark on it that looks like a letter B in a target crosshairs. Is that Volvo brand? A search for it isn't turning up much.

Is there a Volvo part number in case I ever do need to replace it?

I don't think the exact matching Bosch unit was used on any other cars. There could be other Bosch models that happen to work, which is a different question.

But you're covered anyway:

This replacement idle speed motor from DGo (https://www.deloreango.com/us/idle-speed-control-valve-regulator-motor.html) has the logo you described on it which isn't a Volvo nor a Bosch logo. They say it's sourced from Germany.

This replacement from DMCH (https://store.delorean.com/102502a-idle-low-speed-regulator-motor.html) looks the same aside from the motor body color (which matches the OEM unit's black finish). Their photo doesn't show the other side of the valve which might have also have that logo on it.


Yours may be one of these, perhaps the DGo kit which includes the hose as the spacer. The DMCH kit uses a molded Delrin sleeve.

Either way you're covered for replacements.

David T
07-16-2023, 10:22 PM
Do the throttle recall which involves shooting anti-freeze into the throttle cable. Take the throttle spool apart, clean out all of the old grease which has turned to glue, lubricate with fresh grease and reassemble. Check the ends of the "Quadrant Link" (the link between the throttle spool and the throttle arm) for looseness and play. There is a procedure to adjust the throttle stop and the idle screw on the throttle body but you should not have to touch that unless it has already been tampered with. Be careful not to overdo the adjustments on the micro switches, if you push to hard you will damage them. Make sure there is a plug over the mixture screw and it isn't leaking. All three brass air adjustment screws should be LIGHTLY seated closed. The more and bigger your vacuum leaks the less control the idle motor can have with regards to controlling the idle speed. Make sure that the carpet or floor mat is not interfering with the gas pedal or the cable.