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[dvonk]

who else is going to celebrate Guy Fawkes Day by watching V for Vendetta?

...or are you going to be watching BTTF instead?

[JoeyGowdy]

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[tyb323]

http://hollywoodphony.files.wordpress.com/2008/02/neckbeard.jpg

No because I'm not this guy

Also, Anonymous ruined it

[JoeyGowdy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYN2o3aS3XM

[Renee_1632]

who else is going to celebrate Guy Fawkes Day by watching V for Vendetta?

...or are you going to be watching BTTF instead?

I will! But mainly just because I love that movie. I'm also rereading 1984. Epic book, George Orwell was a genius.

[Dracula]

I get annoyed with these things; if you do a little reading on Guy Fawkes, you'd see why. He was a religious fanatic who planned to assassinate the king and replace him with one of his Catholic descendants as well as kill all of the non-Catholic members of parliament. Ironically, he was calling for control and regulations to better govern the people, not the anarchy that is commonly associated with his likeness.

[Renee_1632]

I get annoyed with these things; if you do a little reading on Guy Fawkes, you'd see why. He was a religious fanatic who planned to assassinate the king and replace him with one of his Catholic descendants as well as kill all of the non-Catholic members of parliament. Ironically, he was calling for control and regulations to better govern the people, not the anarchy that is commonly associated with his likeness.

True. However, it's the fact that it was a single person who was the face of a "revolution" that appeals to the "anarchists". I use quotes because I think if they saw the reality of total lack of government they'd realize what an absolutely horrible idea it is.

[Dracula]

True. However, it's the fact that it was a single person who was the face of a "revolution" that appeals to the "anarchists". I use quotes because I think if they saw the reality of total lack of government they'd realize what an absolutely horrible idea it is.

Well said. The movie that they're parroting is very amusing, even if the concept is misguided at the core. The thing that people don't realize about anarchy is that, while it lets them take whatever they want and live without any rules of society, it's a double-edged sword. Then there's nothing that stops them from taking what they want from the "top 1%" that they keep going on about, however, there's also nothing to stop someone from trying to turn their bones into a wind chime. Anarchy means NO RULES whatsoever, which is often misunderstood.

[Renee_1632]

Well said. The movie that they're parroting is very amusing, even if the concept is misguided at the core. The thing that people don't realize about anarchy is that, while it lets them take whatever they want and live without any rules of society, it's a double-edged sword. Then there's nothing that stops them from taking what they want from the "top 1%" that they keep going on about, however, there's also nothing to stop someone from trying to turn their bones into a wind chime. Anarchy means NO RULES whatsoever, which is often misunderstood.

I agree. There's one "ism"...I want to say it's existentialism...that essentially says "right" and "wrong" are determined by what is right/wrong for that individual, there is no absolute Truth with a capital "T". And I think anarchism and this philosphy go hand in hand.

Everyone wants the right to do whatever they want...until the same rules are applied to another who wants to bash them over the head with a hammer. :) I feel like this philosophy negates itself--if it's right for one person to live free under Anarchy, and right for another to rule as authoritarian...then who's right? Someone has to be wrong, and that's what I think they don't understand.

Some also point to 1984...but George Orwell was in NO WAY making a case for anarchy...merely a warning about a possible (though extreme) path and a plea for reform.

And Sean...it's not politics, it's philosophy! I SWEAR! :thumbup2:

[Dracula]

Further, on the subject of Philosophy and to tie back into the thread topic; the holiday was initially created to show would-be revolutionaries that the government won and serve as a deterrent. Today, it immortalizes Fawkes as an anti-establishment hero. It's much like people who wear T-Shirts with Che Guevara on the front. Do they not realize that he was a Marxist who helped to shape Castro's reign and worked hand-in hand with him? He directly caused the murder of countless people in the pursuit of his views. Though, I do find it somewhat poetically ironic that his face adorns so many different products and has become a symbol used by rich kids who are "rebelling" against their parents taking away their cell phones, since this was the very type of commercial consumer-based world he hated.

[Renee_1632]

Further, on the subject of Philosophy and to tie back into the thread topic; the holiday was initially created to show would-be revolutionaries that the government won and serve as a deterrent. Today, it immortalizes Fawkes as an anti-establishment hero. It's much like people who wear T-Shirts with Che Guevara on the front. Do they not realize that he was a Marxist who helped to shape Castro's reign and worked hand-in hand with him? He directly caused the murder of countless people in the pursuit of his views. Though, I do find it somewhat poetically ironic that his face adorns so many different products and has become a symbol used by rich kids who are "rebelling" against their parents taking away their cell phones, since this was the very type of commercial consumer-based world he hated.

I think people (particularly from our generation) are quick to romanticize rebels and revolutionaries--without first understanding what system they were trying to implement.

If they even know THAT. I asked a kid why he was wearing a Che Guevara shirt once. His response? "Who's that?" :facepalm:

[Dracula]

I think people (particularly from our generation) are quick to romanticize rebels and revolutionaries--without first understanding what system they were trying to implement.

If they even know THAT. I asked a kid why he was wearing a Che Guevara shirt once. His response? "Who's that?" :facepalm:

I think that the problem is that kids today are lazy and will do whatever the crowd does to be accepted.

Though, that REALLY annoys me with people wearing band T-shirts. If you wear a Zeppelin shirt and I say to you, "Nice shirt. What's your favorite album?" and they reply, "It's a band?" then I can't be responsible for the fact that I will groan in annoyance, disdain, and frustration. Perhaps it's true that I'm prematurely bitter...

[Dangermouse]

Here's something you guys may not have known. In the UK, the big fall celebration was not Halloween, but rather Guy Fawkes night, I.e. Tonight. In honor of the attempted crime, Kids would make a "guy" by stuffing old clothes with straw and put him in a wheelbarrow, pushing him from house to house asking for a "penny for the guy". The evenings entertainment terminated by throwing the guy on a bonfire.

Good wholesome fun ( well apart from the theft of the wheelbarrow, extortion of the penny and the pyromania) Suffice to say, this was pre-cable TV entertainment :)

[Farrar]

I can't celebrate Guy Fawkes Day because I'm not allowed to burn anyone in effigy in my apartment.

But since most Americans don't know who he was, anyway and some of my ancestors fled to Ireland to escape the Cromwells, I just shake my head and chuckle.

Farrar

[qwerk]

You hesitated for a second before you signed the line on the agreement that read "I will refrain from setting fire to (or otherwise inducing combustion) anyone in effigy and I understand that failure to comply will result in the forfeiture of my security deposit," didn't you, Farrar?

[Farrar]

You hesitated for a second before you signed the line on the agreement that read "I will refrain from setting fire to (or otherwise inducing combustion) anyone in effigy and I understand that failure to comply will result in the forfeiture of my security deposit," didn't you, Farrar?

Only just! :lol:

Farrar