No window regulator tutorial here?!

[zimvsdib]

Hey Guys,
I own 2 Deloreans, one of them had a drivers side window go down and never come back up. I can hear the motor but no window. I opened the door panels (upper and lower)to adjust the door lock/latch linkage which was also giving me trouble(getting locking in the car). Luckily there are some good instructions on this procedure on this site that helped tremendously.THX! Fixed.

But while in there i noticed that the window regulator looks impossible to get to...
It's inside the door cavity and i don't think it opened up. How the hell do you replace this thing or work on it? I was surprised that on this entire site there is no tutorial or helpful info on this very common problem.

Any one do this before? I love pictures btw! (visual learner)

Here are some shot of my inner door. Save them, draw on them in MS paint if it works, repost. I really think this site needs this tut.

I'll make a tutorial I just need some help.

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj290/zimvsdib/delorea%20pics/IMG_1022.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj290/zimvsdib/delorea%20pics/IMG_1025.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj290/zimvsdib/delorea%20pics/IMG_1029.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj290/zimvsdib/delorea%20pics/IMG_1027.jpg

http://i275.photobucket.com/albums/jj290/zimvsdib/delorea%20pics/IMG_1031.jpg

[John U]

I just ordered a new and improved window motor and was hoping to use this video (which I haven't really watched yet)....don't know if it helps out or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxYUxrnMM9U

John

[Jeff K]

I just ordered a new and improved window motor and was hoping to use this video (which I haven't really watched yet)....don't know if it helps out or not

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxYUxrnMM9U

John

This video helped me install both regulators, and I'm a total noob with cars.

[zimvsdib]

it is a helpful video but what about connecting anything to the glass retaining clips? The glass is behind another piece of stainless inside the door that seems unreachable.

A step by step would be great.
What this particular video does not explain is what to do first. how to remove the old regs and attach the new ones(in the upper window area). It does help with the bolt configuration in the lower area that can be accessed easily.

Maybe this is easier than it looks? I just did the regs on a VW jetta and had to take the glass off the retaining clips and I just don't see how this is possible on a D in that inner space.
Little help.

[outatym2001]

I posted my pictures on the old dmctalk.com web site. I was just waiting for someone to ask the question regarding the all metal A1 Electric aftermarket window motors available from any DeLorean parts vendor.
I lowered the toll both window just a little then taped it into place to position the two nuts so I could remove them easily as you can see in the third picture. I hope the pictures make sense. I can’t recall what questions I got the last time I posted these pictures online.

[zimvsdib]

outatym2001, this third image you posted is missing link i think I've been after. Nobody mentions what is going on up there. Thanks!

I can see that if the window is all the way up you can get at the base of the window where it secures to that tube through that sharp access opening.
That little pipe is the only thing that hoists the window up huh, interesting... The jetta one i just installed had some solid pulleys and cables. This is a weird design compared to the modern cars.

Hmm, since my window is stuck in the down position i tried to yank it up a few times but no luck. Do i have to remove those 2 nuts to get old reg off?

I guess i can saw the old pipe off at the lower opening then pull the window up.

[Rich]

The jetta one i just installed had some solid pulleys and cables. This is a weird design compared to the modern cars.

Hmm, since my window is stuck in the down position i tried to yank it up a few times but no luck. Do i have to remove those 2 nuts to get old reg off?

I guess i can saw the old pipe off at the lower opening then pull the window up.

Some Toyotas have a similar drive mechanism to the D's, no pulleys.

Taking the 2 nuts off would allow the window to move up on the track and get the glass off the regulator. The regulator won't come out if it is still in one piece and it's still attached to the window.

Yes, a Sawzall or hacksaw will also do the job. You'll still need to remove the bracket nuts after the glass (and upper part of regulator) are cut free of the lower part. It will be easy at that point.

When the new regulator is installed you'll want to run the window bracket up and down until you find a position about halfway up that allows easy re-attachment of the window to the regulator bracket bolts.

[zimvsdib]

excellent. I think i know how this is all going to go down. It very clear now. Thanks!

I just have to pick up the regs. I'm in so cal and it looks like A1 Electric Automotive is 15 minutes from me. Is that the replacement regs that everyone uses these days?
Too bad they only sell pairs, only need one of these things.

Also my motors still work on the broken reg, im assuming it's still junk. correct?

[DCUK Martin]

it is a helpful video but what about connecting anything to the glass retaining clips? The glass is behind another piece of stainless inside the door that seems unreachable.

Glad my video is still being used.... You say it seems unreachable, but it's right at the top, two nuts, easily accessible :thumbup: The window needs to be run all the way up of course....

When you have the new regulator in your hand, it's pretty obvious.

[jawn101]

+1 Martin's video is perfect. I was able to do my regulator without any conceptual problems, just the normal "hard to work inside the doors" issues. Took about 1 hour to do the install after watching his video a few times. I also had it on the seat next to me just in case as I was doing the job.

[Ozzie]

Hey all.

My psg window went down on a Saturday drive, and would not come back up afterwards. Parked the car in the garage with the cover to address it later.

Today I began to look at it, and got power at the fuse (which I'd figure since driver's window works fine), at console switch, and tore into the guts of the door to verify that I have power at the connector on the regulators - so it looks like the regulator has gone bad. I had heard from my previous owner that these were replaced, and I can tell they are replacements - which looks like one lasted about 7 or 8 years with really not that much usage (both windows are either up or down, not one more than the other).

So I started to remove the regulator. Following Martin's video, and pictures on this thread, as a starting guide, I was able to remove the three retaining screws.
What is really hard to get at are the two nuts on the window itself.
They are barely visible at the bottom if I pull on the loose regulator, and similarly barely visible at the top if I push the loose regulator up.

Are you guys saying to just cut the metal tube on the regulator (I guess there is a cable inside right?), and then raise the window so you can access them from above?
If cutting the tube is the only way to access those nuts, how the heck do you get the new regulator in?

Thanks.

[sdg3205]

Ozzie,

You should be able to position the window carrier just at the right spot in he top opening to get at those two 10mm nuts.

Sounds like the old one is jammed and making this impossible. In that case I'd cut it and break it. These units are replaced as a whole, so you'll be tossing out the old one anyway.

Does that make sense?

[Ozzie]

Ozzie,

You should be able to position the window carrier just at the right spot in he top opening to get at those two 10mm nuts.

Sounds like the old one is jammed and making this impossible. In that case I'd cut it and break it. These units are replaced as a whole, so you'll be tossing out the old one anyway.

Does that make sense?

Oh, I get it. If it wasn't jammed I would be able to position the window for access to the nuts.
Yes, makes sense now, and the reason to cut it at well.

Thanks Dave.

Do these jam often?
Is there a way to un-jam them (before cutting them), as opposed to spending a few bills for a replacement?

Edit:
I am thinking that tomorrow I'll try to remove the plastic sleeve and see if I can give the wire a good tug to un-jam it. If that goes nowhere, then I'll just cut and proceed.

[sdg3205]

I can't recall on the original units if you can remove the regulator from the worm gear drive, but that would be one way to move the window without breaking the tubing. The regulator is what is likely holding it in place. Even on oem units you can typically free jams from bad joints and get the window where you need it with a little effort.

New units have this ability which also helps during installation.

I keep the battery and some long wires on hand to power the regulator when needed to make adjustments. That saves a lot of effort.

Any pictures, Ozzie?

[Ozzie]

Well, I put this off for a week, but got back on it today.

First thing I tried was removing the guide's plastic tube on the motor, to see if I could get the cable un-stuck. No go, it was stuck good.

I had a sawzall ready, but held off using it because of the tight space and the exterior door panel being so easy to hit. So instead I pushed and shoved a little here and there, and was finally able to access and remove both 10mm nuts, from the motor guide attachment. Note: they are not symmetrically spaced, so you can't use a 10mm socket on the top one, loosened it first, with a wrench and tiny arc movements, and then finally with a long nose pliers.

Once the nuts were off, it wasn't easy but to separate the guide from the window, the bracket the nuts held would not want to clear the threads, but it got done.

Removing the motor and guide from the door panel: yeah....not so easy for me. I finally separated the guide plate from the motor, and that was the trick that worked to get the motor out. Once the motor came out, then then there was more room to maneuver the guide out of the door panel. I noticed that the cable did slide freely, once separated from the motor.

At some point the window came off track, and I figured I'd pull it out from the top - but I could not find a good way to get it back on the tracks to pull it out.

So that's where I left it all today.

I did snap a picture of the motor:
http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=21815&d=1378679803
Looks OEM? ..and it appears to be seized, it will not rotate with a pliers, nor hooked up to a 12V supply.

Questions:
Any tips on getting that window back on the track?
Does the motor as described sound sized? Any way to revive it? Zombify it?

[Rich]

At some point the window came off track, and I figured I'd pull it out from the top - but I could not find a good way to get it back on the tracks to pull it out.

Questions:
Any tips on getting that window back on the track?

As for getting the drop glass out and back in again did you see this yet?

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7228-How-to-replace-Delorean-window-drop-glass

[Ozzie]

As for getting the drop glass out and back in again did you see this yet?

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?7228-How-to-replace-Delorean-window-drop-glass

No I had not.
Very useful, thanks.

[DMCMW Dave]

Looks OEM? ..

No, not OEM.