Outer Wipe Seal replacement

[Henrik]

I need to replace the Outer Wipe Seal (pn 106128/106129) on both doors. Has anyone made a tutorial for that?

[DMCMW Dave]

Short version:

Remove the upper interior door panel
Remove the steel brace that goes across the top of the door (upper panel support)
Roll the window most of the way up and access the nuts that hold it to the window motor.
Remove the two nuts and disconnect the dropping glass from the window motor.
Lift the glass out of the door. (to the inside)
Remove the old outer seal (lift up out of the door)
Install the new outer seal. RTV caulk the ends.
Put it all back together.

[Henrik]

Thanks Dave. Quick follow-up: How is the seal actually held in place?


Short version:

Remove the upper interior door panel
Remove the steel brace that goes across the top of the door (upper panel support)
Roll the window most of the way up and access the nuts that hold it to the window motor.
Remove the two nuts and disconnect the dropping glass from the window motor.
Lift the glass out of the door. (to the inside)
Remove the old outer seal (lift up out of the door)
Install the new outer seal. RTV caulk the ends.
Put it all back together.

[dmc6960]

Thanks Dave. Quick follow-up: How is the seal actually held in place?

Three of these...

http://dmctalk.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=9756&d=1334721375

...snap [loosely] into the door. You'll want to cover these up with some soft-side Velcro or adhesive foam strips to prevent possible scratching of the door glass.

[Jonathan]

I've been doing this job and a few others on my driver's door in the last 24 hours. I used quite a bit of the info in this thread as well:

http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?8285-How-to-change-the-window-motors-(instructions-from-A1)

It started with noticing my door lock cylinder wasn't moving freely and thought it would be a good time to go in and figure it out before getting locked in or out.

So, while in there:

-retrieved a nut that was rolling around in there for who knows how long.
- reinstalled my mirror switch under the escutcheon instead of over it (mistake made years ago when the switch got replaced).
- replaced the outer wipe seal.
- replaced the inner "felt" seal.
- repositioning of my pull handle cover that had come loose.
- removal of excess tape or glue or crud in various places. Retaped the openings to avoid shedding any blood and also retaped some sections of wiring that looked to be getting fretted by the stainless edges.

The last piece I had a question on though is the moisture barrier/membrane. I have these specially contoured hunks of plastic sheets along with the adhesvive yet I'm not sure of their orientation. There are quite a few unique slots or bulges which I would assume are there to accommodate wiring or the screws or bolts or the door release/unlock/mirror switch spot. I think it must go behind some of the sections and have the screws go through it, I just can't seem to visualize how it goes.

Does anyone have a photo of this membrane sheet installed on your driver's door, but before you put the upper and lower trim pieces back on? Thanks.

[Jonathan]

Got on to my passenger side yesterday for the outer wipe seal as well as the inner felt one. Figure it would be like 20 minutes, tops. Not so much.

The part where you remove the steel brace after accessing the upper trim panel got me stumped. See these screws here:

http://store.delorean.com/p-9435-screw-n12.aspx

There are about 8 of them in the brace. Not on my passenger side. Some donkey decided to rivet mine. Nice.

So I can drill them out, that's ok. Not fun, but not the end of the world. But I don't have any of these screws handy to put it back together.

How would I describe the size/specs of these at a local hardware store to get the ones I need? Somehow I don't think asking for some N12's is going to work...

[DMCMW Dave]

Got on to my passenger side yesterday for the outer wipe seal as well as the inner felt one. Figure it would be like 20 minutes, tops. Not so much.

The part where you remove the steel brace after accessing the upper trim panel got me stumped. See these screws here:

http://store.delorean.com/p-9435-screw-n12.aspx

There are about 8 of them in the brace. Not on my passenger side. Some donkey decided to rivet mine. Nice.

So I can drill them out, that's ok. Not fun, but not the end of the world. But I don't have any of these screws handy to put it back together.

How would I describe the size/specs of these at a local hardware store to get the ones I need? Somehow I don't think asking for some N12's is going to work...

Depending on how much they have messed up the holes, they are either #12 or the next size up. Or just rivet it back together so the next guy can curse you and all the small pieces of rivet that will rattle around in the door for eternity. It may be hard to find screws that are big enough and still short. The reason they riveted it is either that they lost all the screws, or reamed the holes out too big for them.

PS to change that outer seal you need to remove the dropping glass. So at best it's not a 20 minute job. . . .

[Jonathan]

Thanks Dave. The drivers side looked ok for hole condition, but no rivets there, just screws. Not sure until I start to drill them out for the passenger side, but wanted at least some sort of plan to reattach beforehand. Rivets aren't a terrible idea.

I did take a quick lap over to Canadian Tire earlier today and saw plenty of packages of #12 screws of varying length. They had 1/2", 5/8" and 3/4" and one or more of those may work. A couple pan head screws with a hex pattern and some others with a Robertson head.

I was thinking I could really mess up the next guy if I put some Robertson's in there and maybe in ten years the future owner will be back in the US looking at those screws and wondered which Canadian friend he is going to borrow a screwdriver from (do you have Robertson tools in the US? Apologies for my ignorance if you do as I wasn't sure).

Good call on the 20 minutes. I figured with all my endless hours of fumbling with the drivers side that I would have learned invaluable lessons and tricks that would make the passenger side a simple zip zip and we're done. Silly me. Seeing the rivets immediately after taking the upper trim panel off changed that target.

The phrases "a quick job" and "working on the DeLorean" never go together apparently.