Tag Talk ***SPLIT FROM VIN 559- Captain's Log ***

[thirdmanj]

Are you allowed to use vehicles registered as antiques as daily drivers in Ohio?

[Shep]

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As far as historical vehicles being daily drivers, technically speaking it's only for car shows and related activities, but I've never heard of anyone getting pulled over for it, even though I know some guys who use them for their daily drivers. Reason being: there's really no way to enforce it, since "related activities" could be anywhere, at any time. I'll still use my Civic as my daily driver, but when the weather and roads are nice, I'll drive my DeLorean.

[thirdmanj]

Oh ok. It just bothers me that people circumvent the law like that in regards to antique tags. I see old 80s cars driving all over my area with antique plates, and they ain't show quality if you catch my drift. I kinda like how Australia does it. If a car owner has their vehicle registered as an antique vehicle, they have to keep a log os it's usage and date it. Also, they're subject to routine stops to verify the log is current. It's silly I suppose, a victimless crime, but it just irks me. The only reason I didn't put AV tags on 1258 was because I didn't want to knowingly, brazenly disregard the law, and because VA av tags would just look strange on such a futuristic looking car.

[OverlandMan]

I kinda like how Australia does it. If a car owner has their vehicle registered as an antique vehicle, they have to keep a log os it's usage and date it. Also, they're subject to routine stops to verify the log is current.

If that were the law where I live, I would hate that and probably just pay the regular plate registration fees plus the inspection (antique registered vehicles in TX are exempt from state inspection). I have antique registration. My car is not a daily driver nor will it ever be. It's a Sunday driver. I shouldn't have to keep a log of that. Those who abuse the law will eventually be caught and punished. It all works out in the end.

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[thirdmanj]

Every state is different in their approach to classic cars and restrictions on them. I just don't like the way VA plays it, and would rather keep the D up to par, and drive her whenever I feel like it. You have more faith in it "all working out" than I do.

[Shep]

Oh ok. It just bothers me that people circumvent the law like that in regards to antique tags.We're each entitled to our opinions, just like how I feel the word "retard" is a slur as bad as the "n" word, although much of my family doesn't seem to care. Or how this forum is divided 50-50 on BTTF conversions. Really everything seems to have a divide of some kind. I'll be driving to car shows when the weather warms up, but nothing's going on this time of year, so work is the only place I can drive to for now. :)

(Although I'm personally a fan of the rusted-out unrestored cars straight from an old barn myself, but anyways)

[SS Spoiler]

In the great state of Montana, if your vehicle is ten years or more older, you can get a permanent plate. Good as long as you own the car, no yearly fees, no inspections, no smog check, no under hood peek, no roadside checking, no dyno runs, no harassment, no mileage checks, nobody cares. My 1981 DeLorean, 2000 Jeep, and 2001 Dodge Dakota all have permanent tags. Ain't life great!

[Stainless]

In the great state of Montana, if your vehicle is ten years or more older, you can get a permanent plate. Good as long as you own the car, no yearly fees, no inspections, no smog check, no under hood peek, no roadside checking, no dyno runs, no harassment, no mileage checks, nobody cares. My 1981 DeLorean, 2000 Jeep, and 2001 Dodge Dakota all have permanent tags. Ain't life great!

I am jealous on so many different levels right now. I live in one of only four counties in my state that requires emissions testing. Never had a problem passing with any of my cars, but it's the fact that I have to pay to have it done every year that really chaps me. I love places that don't regulate every little thing about your life.

[OverlandMan]

In the great state of Montana, if your vehicle is ten years or more older, you can get a permanent plate. Good as long as you own the car, no yearly fees, no inspections, no smog check, no under hood peek, no roadside checking, no dyno runs, no harassment, no mileage checks, nobody cares. My 1981 DeLorean, 2000 Jeep, and 2001 Dodge Dakota all have permanent tags. Ain't life great!

:fu: Seriously that's pretty cool though. How much was the permanent plate? I assume its a one-time fee since you indicating there's nothing recurring.

[SS Spoiler]

Permanent plates for my Dodge Dakota were $138.00. Don't remember what the Jeep and DeLorean were, probably the same. If you keep your vehicles for a long time it will payoff.

[OverlandMan]

Permanent plates for my Dodge Dakota were $138.00. Don't remember what the Jeep and DeLorean were, probably the same. If you keep your vehicles for a long time it will payoff.

That's a good deal. 5 yr antique plates in TX are $50 plus misc taxes/fees. I just renewed mine in Feb and it was $64 online. Ok... back on topic now.

[thirdmanj]

We're each entitled to our opinions, just like how I feel the word "retard" is a slur as bad as the "n" word, although much of my family doesn't seem to care. Or how this forum is divided 50-50 on BTTF conversions. Really everything seems to have a divide of some kind. I'll be driving to car shows when the weather warms up, but nothing's going on this time of year, so work is the only place I can drive to for now. :)

(Although I'm personally a fan of the rusted-out unrestored cars straight from an old barn myself, but anyways)

Thanks! The door trim is back on now that the window motor is fixed, but now the passenger side is off for mirror adjustments. It's actually got a sharpied "B" underneath its panel that I'll have to take a picture of some time. The A-pillar trim on the passenger side will be replaced at a later date, although I forget exactly why. It was a good reason though, that I do remember.

It's not really an opinion thing. One is indeed an opinion, the other is a flagrant disregard for the law, and depending on the rules regarding antique vehicles potentially a safety hazard. Not the same as taking offense to the "r-word" or the "n-word" which does no harm, except to those who take offense to it.

[Shep]

It's not really an opinion thing. One is indeed an opinion, the other is a flagrant disregard for the law, and depending on the rules regarding antique vehicles potentially a safety hazard. Not the same as taking offense to the "r-word" or the "n-word" which does no harm, except to those who take offense to it.It's not a safety hazard. Literally the only thing that is different is what kind of plate I use. They are identical legally except for design and what qualifies. It's not subject to E-check now, nor would it be if I had normal plates. Read here (http://www.epa.ohio.gov/dapc/echeck/testing_info/waiextem.aspx):

"Vehicles that are eligible for a PERMANENT EXEMPTION must make arrangements for the vehicle to have a one-time visual inspection performed by Ohio EPA Mobile Sources field staff. These vehicles include: [...] Vehicles more than 25 years old, as determined by vehicle model year"

I honestly cannot count how many Historical plates I see on daily drivers of all kinds around here, year-round, and I'm keeping them on 559. If you don't like it, tough shit, it's not your decision to make. It's my car, I'll do whatever the hell I want with it. I don't know why you're getting so worked up over such a trivial issue, it's not like I'm driving drunk or high or anything. I'm still paying the usual yearly renewal fees, and, as per your definition, it is the same. It's doing absolutely zero harm, except to those who take offense to it. You've made your point, and I'm not changing. Your words are falling on deaf ears here.

[thirdmanj]

It's not a safety hazard. Literally the only thing that is different is what kind of plate I use. They are identical legally except for design and what qualifies. It's not subject to E-check now, nor would it be if I had normal plates. Read here (http://www.epa.ohio.gov/dapc/echeck/testing_info/waiextem.aspx):

"Vehicles that are eligible for a PERMANENT EXEMPTION must make arrangements for the vehicle to have a one-time visual inspection performed by Ohio EPA Mobile Sources field staff. These vehicles include: [...] Vehicles more than 25 years old, as determined by vehicle model year"

I honestly cannot count how many Historical plates I see on daily drivers of all kinds around here, year-round, and I'm keeping them on 559. If you don't like it, tough shit, it's not your decision to make. It's my car, I'll do whatever the hell I want with it. I don't know why you're getting so worked up over such a trivial issue, it's not like I'm driving drunk or high or anything. I'm still paying the usual yearly renewal fees, and, as per your definition, it is the same. It's doing absolutely zero harm, except to those who take offense to it. You've made your point, and I'm not changing. Your words are falling on deaf ears here.

Nobody is worked up here except you, and you're comming off like an angry little child. Nobody said you couldn't do it, and I did state that I knew antique vehicle laws varied from state to state. VA, from the sounds of it is more strict than
Ohio. Here, antique vehicle status exempts the car from the annual safety inspections, and also significantly reduces the registration fee. So here, it's at worst a safety hazard, and the very least it cheats the local gov out of revenue that's used to help maintain the infrastructure.

Also, because of your most detailed blog and thread, I believe I'm well aware of your DeLoreans mechanical status. You got a strong car, man.

[Shep]

Nobody is worked up here except you, and you're comming off like an angry little child. Nobody said you couldn't do itWasn't my intent to come off that way. I'm certainly not worked up or anything. Just genuinely confused as to why we're having this conversation :confused0:

Anyways, moving on...

[Dangermouse]

Well, now that this has its own thread, I'll chip in. (You know I hate going OT in a thread )

The great state of GA has a "hobby antique" tag:

http://motor.etax.dor.ga.gov/motor/plates/images/2004/ha.jpg


It's available for cars >25 years old, so the D would qualify.

It costs $80 for the first year and the $55 each year thereafter. That's on top of your ad valorem road tax. (A regular GA tag would just cost $20 plus the tax each year).

So, to be clear, unlike other states/countries historic tags, which are tax free, or reduced tax, the Georgia one actually costs you extra money. Why anyone would elect to put this on any car is beyond me (nevermind that whatever that antique car would look odd on a futuristic D)

[Michael]

Oh ok. It just bothers me that people circumvent the law like that in regards to antique tags. I see old 80s cars driving all over my area with antique plates, and they ain't show quality if you catch my drift. I kinda like how Australia does it. If a car owner has their vehicle registered as an antique vehicle, they have to keep a log os it's usage and date it. Also, they're subject to routine stops to verify the log is current. It's silly I suppose, a victimless crime, but it just irks me. The only reason I didn't put AV tags on 1258 was because I didn't want to knowingly, brazenly disregard the law, and because VA av tags would just look strange on such a futuristic looking car.

If that bothers you then for heaven's sake don't watch any news broadcast, get off the internet now and stay off, and stay indoors as much as possible preferably curled up in a fetal position and eyes closed.

[thirdmanj]

If that bothers you then for heaven's sake don't watch any news broadcast, get off the internet now and stay off, and stay indoors as much as possible preferably curled up in a fetal position and eyes closed.

Now now, Michael. Don't be silly. I'm only noting that its actions like this, that contribute to lack of necessary capital when it comes to maintaining local infrastructure. I'm all for being frugal and not spending money you don't need to. But cutting corners by taking advantage of the system contributes to the problem. If you choose to be involved in the automotive hobby and drive your extra vehicles for more than just parades, shows, etc. do your part and cough up the extra cash to support your local government in maintaining the road ways.

[Starglider]

But cutting corners by taking advantage of the system contributes to the problem. If you choose to be involved in the automotive hobby and drive your extra vehicles for more than just parades, shows, etc. do your part and cough up the extra cash to support your local government in maintaining the road ways.

Why? Having more vehicles probably won't change the total miles driven, so it won't change the amount of road infrastructure usage. People are going to make whatever journeys life demands, more vehicles just means there is a choice of what to take.

In Europe most of the money extracted from drivers is fuel taxes not fixed annual fees, which makes sense because amount of road capacity & maintenance you use depends mostly on how long you spend driving and how large your vehicle is, not whether you own more than one car.

[thirdmanj]

Why? Having more vehicles probably won't change the total miles driven, so it won't change the amount of road infrastructure usage. People are going to make whatever journeys life demands, more vehicles just means there is a choice of what to take.

In Europe most of the money extracted from drivers is fuel taxes not fixed annual fees, which makes sense because amount of road capacity & maintenance you use depends mostly on how long you spend driving and how large your vehicle is, not whether you own more than one car.

I can see your point. I suppose I'd only counter with antique and classic vehicles are not designated for "whatever journey life demands". They're designated as such to be used for recreation, and/or on special occasions. If you're to be using it more than that, pay your share like everyone else. Add to that, if you live in a state that requires safety inspections, submit your vehicle annually like everyone else.

[D Knight]

In Ohio you cant get Historical tags unless you have another car registered. I have them on 2621. There are no restrictions on mileage or usage, you just have to have another registered vehicle that you renew every year.

[thirdmanj]

In Ohio you cant get Historical tags unless you have another car registered. I have them on 2621. There are no restrictions on mileage or usage, you just have to have another registered vehicle that you renew every year.

There are restrictions on usage in Ohio. It says so on the Ohio BMV website.


"General Information:
To qualify, motor vehicles must be at least 25 years old. They are solely collector's items and are used for participation in club activities, exhibitions, tours, parades, etc. They are NOT for general transportation."

[Ron]

So, to be clear, unlike other states/countries historic tags, which are tax free, or reduced tax, the Georgia one actually costs you extra money. That's Georgia!... similarly, most places give certified firefighters special tags or at least not charge extra for them...we have to pay $45 extra, even if we work/volunteer in the issuing county!