Power Steering in a Delorean

[sadeeky]

Is it possible to get Power Steering in an Automatic Delorean?

[dmc6960]

Yes.

http://www.delorean.eu/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=168053&cPath=&osCsid=dd3f67196d7f5279373705d6d8d12220

May also be available at DMCMW. Unsure about the other franchises. Call and ask.

[Exolis]

It's defiantly possible, the amount of work, time and money is entirely up to you. It maybe easier to use Electric Power Steering(EPS) as you would need to find an old Power Steering Pully then route custom hoses from back to front.

Some EPS units have electric motor attached to the Steering column which may be the easiest to implement. Or could try using the larger EPS units used in vehicles like the new Altima, Pathfinder and JX, but that may be a bit impractical to try putting on the DeLorean.

Not sure if there is a "Universal" Kit available, but probably could buy from a dealership for a specific vehicle. By doing so, you will essentially need to replace the entire Steering Column and Steering wheel. This will also probably lead to changing the Turn/Light and Wiper Switches.

EDIT: Or get that thing posted above, looks pretty neat!

[Farrar]

Defiant power steering ... Hmm...

[DMCMW Dave]

Defiant power steering ... Hmm...

I have the DMC EU unit in my own car (was available for demo rides at the open house) and we have another car in here for the conversion now.

[Silverbullet]

I think it would be easier to go to the Gym and bulk up the arms... :mallet:

[Farrar]

I have the DMC EU unit in my own car (was available for demo rides at the open house) and we have another car in here for the conversion now.

How long did it take you to get used to it?

[opethmike]

WOW, that is expensive!!!!

[DMCMW Dave]

How long did it take you to get used to it?

It completely changes the character of the car. Very nice when parking, but there is some loss of steering feedback i.e. the "sports car" feel. This is a common complaint on modern cars with electric power steering as well as there is more internal friction in the mechanism itself than in a plain steering column.

[sadeeky]

It completely changes the character of the car. Very nice when parking, but there is some loss of steering feedback i.e. the "sports car" feel. This is a common complaint on modern cars with electric power steering as well as there is more internal friction in the mechanism itself than in a plain steering column.

How much $ installed and is it worth it?

[kajcienski]

My car is actually the one in Dave's shop getting the conversion (as per the original post - it is an automatic) so will definitely post my thoughts when I get the car back. The main reason for going with the power steering is A) My wife can hardly turn the steering wheel and there are times where she has needed to drive it (beer + driving = bad) and B) I live in Manhattan where I break a sweat maneuvering the crowded streets and of course parallel parking (don't worry, I always stay within 20 feet of the car ready to drop my sandwich if needed). I am also having an on/off switch installed so if I do not want the power steering, I have that option and will feel identical to stock I am told. I'll report back in a month.

[sadeeky]

My car is actually the one in Dave's shop getting the conversion (as per the original post - it is an automatic) so will definitely post my thoughts when I get the car back. The main reason for going with the power steering is A) My wife can hardly turn the steering wheel and there are times where she has needed to drive it (beer + driving = bad) and B) I live in Manhattan where I break a sweat maneuvering the crowded streets and of course parallel parking (don't worry, I always stay within 20 feet of the car ready to drop my sandwich if needed). I am also having an on/off switch installed so if I do not want the power steering, I have that option and will feel identical to stock I am told. I'll report back in a month.

Awesome bro let me know how it is. How much did you spend on it if you don't mind me asking?

[Silverbullet]

Well..... I find if you have like 30 PSI in the front tires... it is REALLY easy to drive... I would think adding the power would take away from the feel when you are moving... When parking you just turn the wheel when you are MOVING... not stopped... Seems easy..:wiggle:

[Farrar]

Well..... I find if you have like 30 PSI in the front tires... it is REALLY easy to drive...

The manual says 23 PSI for "normal driving" and 29 PSI for "continuous high speed driving."

[Rad Dad]

Ah, good old tire pressure has entered this thread. For the number of miles most owners drive their DeLoreans, I'd say almost any pressure you want is just fine. The tire pressures quoted by car manufacturers are for achieving what they hope is the best combination of comfort and handling and tire life. If you only drive a couple of thousand miles per year, as many seem to do, you can certainly play with the pressure and get the combination of handling and comfort and not really worry about tire life. I drive considerably more than most owners and most of it is on the highway at highway speeds. At 26/27 lbs. I get the ride and handling I want and with no appreciable impact upon tire life. And, yes, higher pressure makes the low speed steering much easier.

Dick Ryan
Vin 16867

[Farrar]

Like Dick said, most owners will end up replacing their tires due to age and not mileage.

[Cory W]

I have the DMC EU unit in my own car (was available for demo rides at the open house) and we have another car in here for the conversion now.

I drove the car when I was there a couple of weeks ahead of the open house.

I was amazed to be able to turn the wheel from lock to lock with only one finger pressed on the wheel. It felt a lot like my Daily Driver, actually; effortless and equally lifeless.

Dave hooked the unit in his car up to a switch so you can turn it on and off on the fly. With the system off, the car feels "normal", and there's about one second lag time when you turn the system back on. If I were to ever install this system, I would emulate what he's done. It just feels weird to drive at any speed with it on.

Is it worth the money? Is anything? If you have the need for it, it would allow you to maneuver the car at parking lot speed with ease. If there's a need or a great enough want, you can justify it.

[Elvis]

If you need more details - this is the company that builds the kits.

I sat in a car on an convention this spring - and I was amazed how easy
the steering wheel turned with the systme on.

http://www.ezpowersteering.nl/language/158/17/Home.html


You can set the software to change the force with speed.

Cool stuff, expensive though.

[Chris 16409]

I thought the system was programed to shut off at driving speeds?

[Elvis]

???

It's even better - it can reduce the assisting power linearly down to zero depending on the speed !!!

[Roman Legion]

Is rack and pinion steering so bad as to warrant the consideration of changing a primary function of the car? I've never used the Electric steering that I know of, but I may have without knowing it. I know my car has power, my father's van has power; does the Fiat 500 have electric? If so, then I have used it before.

[thirdmanj]

Is rack and pinion steering so bad as to warrant the consideration of changing a primary function of the car? I've never used the Electric steering that I know of, but I may have without knowing it. I know my car has power, my father's van has power; does the Fiat 500 have electric? If so, then I have used it before.

Rack and pinion is fine. Especially on a DeLorean where the engine is rear mounted. My '78 280Z only had rack and pinion and it was just fine with an inline 6 sitting on it.

[LordFly]

I had a Civic without power steering. It was far worse than the DeLorean. If you're having that big a problem with heavy steering, I would check the u-joints on the steering linkage. When I got mine, 1 of them was practically seized. The difference after I replaced it was night and day!

[refugeefromcalif]

I had a Civic without power steering. It was far worse than the DeLorean.

My '93 Honda del Sol doesn't have PS either. The D's wheel is Lots easier to turn at a stand still.

(Although the del Sol's accelerator and clutch pedal are a Lot easier to push then the D).... :shocked:

George

[opethmike]

My Elise doesn't have power steering, but it is so light it feels like it does.

[LordFly]

My Elise doesn't have power steering, but it is so light it feels like it does.

That was exactly how I felt about the D after replacing the steering linkage!

[Dangermouse]

Is it possible to get Power Steering in an Automatic Delorean?

Why be specific about an "automatic" DeLorean? Would it make a difference?

[thirdmanj]

Why be specific about an "automatic" DeLorean? Would it make a difference?

His Pimpness, probably didn't know any better. He ain't no DeLorean nerd!! ;)

[sadeeky]

His Pimpness, probably didn't know any better. He ain't no DeLorean nerd!! ;)

HAHAHA! :) True Dat

How much do yall think it would cost to get that installed at DMCMW?

[thirdmanj]

HAHAHA! :) True Dat
:facepalm:


How much do yall think it would cost to get that installed at DMCMW?

Call DMCMW. If you're in FL, why not use the Bonita Springs location?

[sadeeky]

:facepalm:



Call DMCMW. If you're in FL, why not use the Bonita Springs location?

" Ain't nobody got time fo dat" ...Sweet Brown

[john 05141]

Arriving a bit late in the show here, and it was discussed in another forum, but I am about to end my sencond season with the power steering.
After hard working for 2 years every weekend for a special project (extra to the normal daily work) , I gave that powersteering to myself as a present. I did not testdrive the unit, but a powersteering is a powersteering.

I bought it from Ed at DMCEU ad had him install that. I did not want to mess with this and I wanted it built in by a professional. Ed had the job done in 3 hours time.

My toughts? Serious coin, no discussion, but man... I love it!!!!
Seriously worth the money, I'd do it again right away if I had to change Delorean. Some exhaust systems are just as expensive and I have more joy driving a power steering Delorean. I was affraid I'd get used to it and "forget" my investment was in there but no, even last weekend I was thinking man it drives heavenly with this PS.

My car was valued again for insurance issues, and this powersteering sure did add to it.
Jan

[ccurzio]

I can't wait for the first time you list "Power Steering" as a feature on your car, only to have some frothing-mouth know-it-all pipe up with "DELOREANS DIDN'T HAVE POWER STEERING!!!"

[Starglider]

I have Ed's unit on my car, according to Chris N it was a pain in the ass to install on a right hand drive (interferes with the pedal box much more than on a left hand drive). I haven't had a chance to drive it yet (just stationary in the workshop), but Chris has on another car, he thinks it's a big improvement and totally worth it.

[DMC5180]

I can't wait for the first time you list "Power Steering" as a feature on your car, only to have some frothing-mouth know-it-all pipe up with "DELOREANS DIDN'T HAVE POWER STEERING!!!"

Depends on how you make the statement doesn't it.

Features includes:

Rack and pinion steering w/ Electric power assist (Aftermarket)

Or, Electric Power Steering (Aftermarket)

[DMC5180]

Arriving a bit late in the show here, and it was discussed in another forum, but I am about to end my sencond season with the power steering.
After hard working for 2 years every weekend for a special project (extra to the normal daily work) , I gave that powersteering to myself as a present. I did not testdrive the unit, but a powersteering is a powersteering.

I bought it from Ed at DMCEU ad had him install that. I did not want to mess with this and I wanted it built in by a professional. Ed had the job done in 3 hours time.

My toughts? Serious coin, no discussion, but man... I love it!!!!
Seriously worth the money, I'd do it again right away if I had to change Delorean. Some exhaust systems are just as expensive and I have more joy driving a power steering Delorean. I was affraid I'd get used to it and "forget" my investment was in there but no, even last weekend I was thinking man it drives heavenly with this PS.

My car was valued again for insurance issues, and this powersteering sure did add to it.
Jan


While column movement Adjustability UP/DOWN is still there. Does the NEW Column Retain the Telescopic IN/OUT ability like the original?

I have the "Real" MOMO EVO wheel w/adapter and sits about 1 inch further away from you than the the OEM wheel. I have to adjust my column out to make up the difference for driving comfort.

[DMCMW Dave]

While column movement Adjustability UP/DOWN is still there. Does the NEW Column Retain the Telescopic IN/OUT ability like the original?


You lose the collapsing screen but it is completely adjustable.

[DMC5180]

You lose the collapsing screen but it is completely adjustable.

Good to know, Thanks Dave.

[kobachi]

FWIW, since the day I bought my car and drove it home I was thinking about getting the power steering unit. Parking was such a huge pain here in Seattle, both on the street and in the garage under where I live.

A few weeks back, after multiple complaints about a faint steering misalignment, Toby at DMCNW took my car over to a local shop with a fancy modern laser alignment system. Turned out my car was "out of caster" by >2.5 degrees. Caster isn't even supposed to be adjustable on a DeLorean!

Toby, being the master that he is, found the problem to be an out-of-spec ... crap, I can't remember the name. Sway bar, maybe? The big black bar closest to the camera lens in this picture (http://www.noroads.com/delorean/3281/content/20081109/DSC_3463.jpg). Anyway, it was a part that can't be adjusted, but he custom fabricated a washer to install between it and its mount and WOW, it was like I drove somebody else's car home. I don't even mind the manual steering anymore. It is almost unbelievable how much easier it is to steer, especially when parking.

The moral of my story is: my car might not be the only one with technically-unfixable alignment issues contributing to a frustrating steering experience.

[DMC5180]

FWIW, since the day I bought my car and drove it home I was thinking about getting the power steering unit. Parking was such a huge pain here in Seattle, both on the street and in the garage under where I live.

A few weeks back, after multiple complaints about a faint steering misalignment, Toby at DMCNW took my car over to a local shop with a fancy modern laser alignment system. Turned out my car was "out of caster" by >2.5 degrees. Caster isn't even supposed to be adjustable on a DeLorean!

Toby, being the master that he is, found the problem to be an out-of-spec ... crap, I can't remember the name. Sway bar, maybe? The big black bar closest to the camera lens in this picture (http://www.noroads.com/delorean/3281/content/20081109/DSC_3463.jpg). Anyway, it was a part that can't be adjusted, but he custom fabricated a washer to install between it and its mount and WOW, it was like I drove somebody else's car home. I don't even mind the manual steering anymore. It is almost unbelievable how much easier it is to steer, especially when parking.

The moral of my story is: my car might not be the only one with technically-unfixable alignment issues contributing to a frustrating steering experience.

Thats the SWAY-BAR or ARB Anti-roll bar as some call it. You had too much castor. I would like to know how thick that washer was. You don't have much room to play with when fitting a spacer between the front side Bar step shoulder and the Bushing. (unless the bar was machined wrong. Too far forward). Under Normal circumstances the Double Nut retainer method on the aft side has just enough thread exposed for complete thread engagement.

[vwdmc16]

My car too had poor Caster adjustment, The left had 4.9 degrees more. Something is bent badly, Ive made a temporary fix by cutting down the LCA to bar bushing 1/2" to pull the right LCA forward. This also made a huge difference and now the caster is only a degree off which allows the car to go reasonably straight. My car still needs alot of work.

[kajcienski]

Hello! I thought I would do a quick write-up on the power steering I just had installed. Simply put, I love it. I have not done testing on rougher roads yet, but this is my first impression. The main 2 reasons for getting this unit was to make parking easier (along with slow speed turning) and so that my wife could drive it more easily. Both were accomplished with flying colors. On top of that, I love how it feels like you just glide on the road, but still very keen to the handling. I don't know if that makes sense, but there is something about the ease of steering now that feels so much better to me. I have also noticed that the wheel vibration has diminished - the unit uses a new column so not sure what part of the install has helped with that. Thoughts? I can also parallel park the car with one finger. There is a switch installed to turn the unit off. Anyway, these are my first impressions and basics on the unit. I'll report back with a new thread after I have more experience with it.

[john 05141]

I had all the bushings replaced a year before the powersteering was installed. Thenit made a big difference, now with the PS it is a world of difference. It steers like a daily driver now.
But I have to get my tires balanced, I do have a vibration becasue of this. PS will not reduce vibration.
PS = DeLorean driving fun x2!

Jan

[RammJaeger]

I'm really interested in this. If you guys don't mind me asking, how much did the unit and installation cost, and where did you get it done?

[kajcienski]

I'm really interested in this. If you guys don't mind me asking, how much did the unit and installation cost, and where did you get it done?

DeLorean EU has the units for sale so check the site for current price. With exchange rate and shipping, it's not cheap. I believe it was around the $3k mark. Installation was done by DMCMW. I won't say it was problem free, I managed to get a bad unit at first so had to install twice. But all parties were absolutely fantastic in correcting the issue and can't thank them enough.

[john 05141]

agree, check the site for the price, Mine is 2 years old.
If Ed does it, add minimum 3 hours of work for just the PS.

But indeed it is very complete and you get a new steering column, so I had a new Poly bushing installed at the same time so the squeeky sound is gone too.


Jan

[DMC5180]

Since this Unit uses a Mechanical signal generator that replaces the Lambda counter. What is the system Default mode should the Angle drive fail? Is it FULL power at all speeds thinking the car is sitting stationary or does it shut down to manual mode? I'm assuming it would be full power mode.

[DMCMW Dave]

Since this Unit uses a Mechanical signal generator that replaces the Lambda counter. What is the system Default mode should the Angle drive fail? Is it FULL power at all speeds thinking the car is sitting stationary or does it shut down to manual mode? I'm assuming it would be full power mode.

Yes - fully assisted all the time. It is not "aware" that the car is moving.

[john 05141]

??? Was it not supposed to shut down at 80Km/h?
It is likend to the speedo it I tought is is aware the car is moving at at what speed?

Jan

[DMCMW Dave]

??? Was it not supposed to shut down at 80Km/h?
It is likend to the speedo it I tought is is aware the car is moving at at what speed?

Jan

He asked what happens if the angle drive is not working.

[RammJaeger]

Could one of the US vendors comment on what this would cost including parts and installation? I'm seriously considering getting this installed on my Delorean.

[john 05141]

He asked what happens if the angle drive is not working.

Oops, didn't see that.

Is the set that is being sold in the US the same as the one from Ed Uding here?
Jan

[aenglish87]

Why be specific about an "automatic" DeLorean? Would it make a difference?

At the risk of being made fun of (as Dangermose was when he asked this question quoted above) for lack technical expertise... could someone kindly answer this question for us more novice and less technically inclined owners? Is there a reason why this question and consideration for a power steering upgrade would only apply to an automatic? Is there a difference in steering system and ease of steering in a stock auto vs a stock manual?

Also, why won't anyone kindly answer what the cost of the system is? I clicked the links offered and don't see pricing info. Which power steering system is it that DMCMW is using that a few people have given a positive review of here? I saw that it is a 3 hour labor job but what is the parts cost and who makes it? Is there a link to the part pricing and specs?

I appreciate the feedback.

[ed uding]

There is no difference between automatic and 5 speed.
Install time is the same, http://www.delorean.eu/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=20_143&products_id=168053
You can take off 21% this is the Dutch tax that you don't have to pay outside the EEG.
The shipping cost are €110,-

Regards Ed Uding
www.delorean.eu

[RammJaeger]

There is no difference between automatic and 5 speed.
Install time is the same, http://www.delorean.eu/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=20_143&products_id=168053
You can take off 21% this is the Dutch tax that you don't have to pay outside the EEG.
The shipping cost are €110,-

Regards Ed Uding
www.delorean.eu

Ed, do you know if there are any safety concerns with the mesh on the steering column being eliminated? If I understand it correctly the purpose of that mesh is to collapse in case you get in a front end collision so that the steering column doesn't impale you.

Thanks

[DMCMW Dave]

I have one unit in stock here at Midwest. It came here from DMC Europe.

I'd sell it for $2600 for the unit, and will sell it installed only. This unit only. After this one sells, future units will have to be ordered directly from DMC Europe.

Installation is 5-6 hours depending on issues with your car. The job is similar to replacing the stock column, with the addition of the speed sensor, an electronics box, and power wiring that goes to the back of the car. We also typically install a switch so that you can completely turn it off if you like. This is a test unit that was installed in my personal car for demonstration purposes.

Yes, the collapsible part is no longer there. I'm not a safety expert, but I've never heard of a collapsible one being collapsed either. A risk you take I guess.

I have installed them in both manual and automatic cars, there is no difference at all.

Please contact me directly for any other details.

[john 05141]

I wrote down Ed worked on it for 3 hours.
When I go to Ed, it us usually for the whole day becasue a I have a list of things to be done to the car while I am there.
That is why I wrote down at leat 3 hours becasue I did not put a stopwatch next to Ed while he was building it in 8) I know that most of the time he was lying upside down under the dash, not the most comfortable way of working.
I do not want to create a discussion on how long it takes to build it in.

Jan

[ai!]

If You have enough electric and mechanical skills You can install almost any EPS unit in DeLorean. It is almost 2 days since I've installed mine from Toyota prius and got it working, not without some soldering and getting 2 steering columns in one, cos I didn't want new steering wheel and other stuff from toyota. Momo st. wheel is not an option too (I've driven an EVO6 with momo, had enough of them)). So all is working just fine and EPS is engaging all modes that is up to, like "assist", "damping" and "return control". And of course the EPS ECU is working with "hall" effect sensor that is mounted on the angle drive to know at what speed vehicle is going. The whole work took out 2 days of having a really good time with a car))

Oleg Karpov, Russia.

[Patrick C]

If You have enough electric and mechanical skills You can install almost any EPS unit in DeLorean. It is almost 2 days since I've installed mine from Toyota prius and got it working, not without some soldering and getting 2 steering columns in one, cos I didn't want new steering wheel and other stuff from toyota. Momo st. wheel is not an option too (I've driven an EVO6 with momo, had enough of them)). So all is working just fine and EPS is engaging all modes that is up to, like "assist", "damping" and "return control". And of course the EPS ECU is working with "hall" effect sensor that is mounted on the angle drive to know at what speed vehicle is going. The whole work took out 2 days of having a really good time with a car))

Oleg Karpov, Russia.

Pictures and a "how-to" guide would be great!

[Dangermouse]

Pictures and a "how-to" guide would be great!


:thumbup:

[ai!]

Pictures and a "how-to" guide would be great!

well I thought I would fail))) and not pictured every step, but here some photos.

sorry for russian language, when there will be some free time I'll translate and do some my own circuit board drawings, pinout info for the 89650-XXXXX units.

Well all You need is the steering column from Yaris, Wish, Prius and EPS ECU. There is no many differences in them and almost all of them can be mixed with each other, f.e. Prius column (motor with torque sensor) and Wish EPS ECU - this is my setup.

The main thing is to use EPS ECU that have many wires from the center (12 or 10 pin) connector it is needed to be NON CAN BUS unit. If You see only 4 wires (2 white and 2 black) from this connector then You looking at CAN unit, and in this case You need to provide CAN pulses that will determine the RPM, Switch ON position and vehicle speed, in two words - too complicated for DIY job. (nonetheless some doing their own CAN modules and programming them...)

On the circuit board on the photo is a simple pulse generator to generate an engine REV pulse - EPS ECU will know that the engine is running (this is most due to not to drain the battery)
The small relay is needed to power the main EPS ECU relay (50-70Amps - I used starter relay). Why 2 relays? EPS ECU has power transistor that actually powers the relay and the resistance of the relay must be more than 135 Ohm, otherwise this will cause to transistor overtemp and failure. Big relays often have 70-90 ohm resistance and they must be switched with smaller relay with proper "ohmmage" (on the photo is tianbo relay 20 amps with 230 ohm resistance).

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[SEO Motorsports]

I was interested in this thread and found this.

http://www.pacificcustoms.com/ac498700.html

[Tomcio]

I keep looking at all this talk about power steering and all the effort and money involved in getting it working and I keep thinking that you'd be much better off spending that money on a gym. A good workout a few hours a week and no power steering wouldn't be a problem. And your heart would appreciate that too!
I'm sorry, but I just don't quite understand the need for a power steering in a DeLorean. The OEM steering is precise and doesn't require that much strength to turn the wheel. My every day car doesn't have power steering and it's a front engine car... and I've always enjoyed the manual steering in my DeLorean.
:strongman:

[SEO Motorsports]

I find that keeping the tire pressure up to spec helps too.

[ai!]

I keep looking at all this talk about power steering and all the effort and money involved in getting it working and I keep thinking that you'd be much better off spending that money on a gym. A good workout a few hours a week and no power steering wouldn't be a problem. And your heart would appreciate that too!
I'm sorry, but I just don't quite understand the need for a power steering in a DeLorean. The OEM steering is precise and doesn't require that much strength to turn the wheel. My every day car doesn't have power steering and it's a front engine car... and I've always enjoyed the manual steering in my DeLorean.
:strongman:

well, after I tested my EPS setup I can assure You, EPS does not affect precision or anything else, it just helps when it needed, and of course driving with EPS is full of joy. EPS not only assist in turns, it assist in zero point when driving straight and helps to damp parasite feedback from the wheels. Steering becomes a way more accurate and easy. I've used my DeLorean without EPS for 5 years and all I can say now - EPS is a must have for any DeLorean out there!


I was interested in this thread and found this.

http://www.pacificcustoms.com/ac498700.html

This is a good way too, but if You buy toyota EPS from the junkyard it will be much cheaper. I got mine for only 100$)))

[Starglider]

I'm sorry, but I just don't quite understand the need for a power steering in a DeLorean. The OEM steering is precise and doesn't require that much strength to turn the wheel. My every day car doesn't have power steering and it's a front engine car... and I've always enjoyed the manual steering in my DeLorean.

My wife said she would not drive the car unless it had power steering...

[andyd]

A good reason for me to put my cash into something else!!

Andy

[Tomcio]

It's a great reason to spend all that cash at a local gym! ;)
That's EXACTLY what I meant :thumbup:

[john 05141]

:hysterical:


A good reason for me to put my cash into something else!!

Andy


Each to his own, I would never install a sports muffler.
I can tell you it drives like heaven, I still love it.
Never felt sorry I had it installed.


:driving1:

[ai!]

There is almost NO CASH to spend)) Only will and skills are needed. 100$ against 3000$ - as for me, I made my choice.

DeLorean is a simple piece of an automotive hardware from today's standards. So as I see it is pretty simple to tune Your DeLorean.

[DrJeff]

Ai!
Did you have to cut up the existing column? Where did you select to bracket the motor assembly to the car?

[ai!]

Ai!
Did you have to cut up the existing column? Where did you select to bracket the motor assembly to the car?

Of course existing column and prius was spliced. I've cut the original column 50-70mm from the key assembly and used a stainless steel pipe slightly oversized over the prius column. Then I put the prius column into the pipe and on the other end was spliced with the original column. I've tried not to use welding, just existing tube in tube design of the original column helped quite a lot. So the pipe became a steering column body and I think this is the right choice for the car that is using the same metal)) I'll do some photos of the column unmounted in this weekend, words can't explain everything..

[DrJeff]

Of course existing column and prius was spliced. I've cut the original column 50-70mm from the key assembly and used a stainless steel pipe slightly oversized over the prius column. Then I put the prius column into the pipe and on the other end was spliced with the original column. I've tried not to use welding, just existing tube in tube design of the original column helped quite a lot. So the pipe became a steering column body and I think this is the right choice for the car that is using the same metal)) I'll do some photos of the column unmounted in this weekend, words can't explain everything..

I'm very interested in what you've done as I secured a Prius EPS and column over 2 years ago! It looks like the EPS has the same interface as the one you have used. I can't tell for sure but the column looks slightly different.

Here's the bits I've got...
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Jeff

[ai!]

I'm very interested in what you've done as I secured a Prius EPS and column over 2 years ago! It looks like the EPS has the same interface as the one you have used. I can't tell for sure but the column looks slightly different.

Here's the bits I've got...
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Jeff

Well as I can see it is the same. But I can't find any connectors from the ECU on the photos, if it is the right version - 12 pin connector must have 10 wires (1 and 7 pins are CAN bus wires). If ECU is not CAN version - then You have almost everything to go.

[vwdmc16]

FYI if you get a unit from a car without ABS brakes, you don't have a as Can Signal to deal with but still need a square wave signal for a Speedo input.

[DrJeff]

Well as I can see it is the same. But I can't find any connectors from the ECU on the photos, if it is the right version - 12 pin connector must have 10 wires (1 and 7 pins are CAN bus wires). If ECU is not CAN version - then You have almost everything to go.

The 12 pin connector has all 12 pins. Does the non-EPS version only have 10 pins in the 12 pin connector? The unit number is 89650-47102 from a 2004-2009 Toyota Prius.
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I don't have the wires that ran into the 12 pin connector, so I've no idea if the CAN wires were connected or not.

This is what toyodiy.com says about the part...
Part 89650-47102 (COMPUTER ASSY, POWER STEERING)
Date range Model Frames/Options Found in diagram
08/2003-02/2009 TOYOTA PRIUS NHW20 84-01: SWITCH & RELAY & COMPUTER

The Model NHW20 is listed as having ABS.

[ai!]

The 12 pin connector has all 12 pins. Does the non-EPS version only have 10 pins in the 12 pin connector? The unit number is 89650-47102 from a 2004-2009 Toyota Prius.
2724727248

I don't have the wires that ran into the 12 pin connector, so I've no idea if the CAN wires were connected or not.

This is what toyodiy.com says about the part...
Part 89650-47102 (COMPUTER ASSY, POWER STEERING)
Date range Model Frames/Options Found in diagram
08/2003-02/2009 TOYOTA PRIUS NHW20 84-01: SWITCH & RELAY & COMPUTER

The Model NHW20 is listed as having ABS.

amm.. EPS is Electronic Power Steering)) And when I wrote about 12 pins and 10 wires I meant that it has all 12 pins but the connector has only 10 wires (because 1 and 7 pins were not used)

All the prius EPS ECU that I've seen was CAN units. You can open the case of the ECU and take a look at the circuit board, if there are some missing components for the circuits to the 12 pin connector - then it is a CAN unit. When I bought my column with prius ECU it has a connector with 4 wires (2 white and 2 black) - later I discovered that it was a CAN unit, so in Your case I think that exchanging Your ecu with proper one will be the best option.

Will there be an ABS or not is all the same. I've hooked up both of them - same result.

[DrJeff]

Ai!. Thanks for the details. I could see from your photos that your unit was also an 89650 unit, but I couldn't see the other digits. There are plenty of 89650 units available on ebay - but many many sub-unit numbers, but there's not easy way to tell which are CAN and which are not.

I'll do some more digging to see if there's a way to determine which are CAN and which are not.

Thanks
Jeff

[ai!]

Ai!. Thanks for the details. I could see from your photos that your unit was also an 89650 unit, but I couldn't see the other digits. There are plenty of 89650 units available on ebay - but many many sub-unit numbers, but there's not easy way to tell which are CAN and which are not.

I'll do some more digging to see if there's a way to determine which are CAN and which are not.

Thanks
Jeff

The easiest way is to go to junkyard and see by Yourself at the units that is in stock, of course You must look at the wires if they are present with the 12 pin connector. My EPS ECU is 89650-68010 from the Toyota Wish (12 pin connector has 10 wires), before this ECU I had 89650-47090 - this was a CAN unit with 4 wires (2 white and 2 black) in the 12 pin connector.

I know that the Yaris and Wish ECUs are mostly not CAN units so You better look for them.

As for the part numbers I truly don't know how to determine which ECU is a CAN unit and which is not...

[kobachi]

This is getting very close to needing a full DIY writeup :D

[vps3922]

This is getting very close to needing a full DIY writeup :D

I agree!

[Lightning]

I see a potential future upgrade on my car and I see Eddie is paying attention already to the thread, I like this combo and the fact that he's walking distance from my house.

[vps3922]

I see a potential future upgrade on my car ...

Same with me, but I do not want to pay $3k for the part and installation. It is a large number if you can get the parts for way less than that. I would be willing to pay around $1k seeing all the work that went into it and making a fitting kit by DMC EU, but $3k. Wow. I rather go with the DIY solution for now to see if it works out. I am therefore monitoring this thread closely. :umm:

[refugeefromcalif]

I probably missed it but, How many DeLoreans are out there with a power steering mod?

George

[Dangermouse]

I would guess <10.

I only know of Dave S., Jan in Belgium and now Olaf.

DMCEU has them for sale (as does Dave I think) but no real idea on how many they have sold.

[papanoel]

I probably missed it but, How many DeLoreans are out there with a power steering mod?

George

I know of one in new york that has power steering. It was the EU unit installed by DMCMW.

[ai!]

I would guess <10.

I only know of Dave S., Jan in Belgium and now Olaf.

DMCEU has them for sale (as does Dave I think) but no real idea on how many they have sold.

Oleg Karpov (me) in Russia have PS too.

Sorry for the delay, I almost finished my DIY writeup, going to do some photos today-tomorrow. Planning to post on this weekend. Stay tuned)

[Dangermouse]

Apologies, I meant Oleg, not Olaf

[john 05141]

There is one in Germany too, that was the Delorean that was available for a test drive at DMC Eu 2 years ago.
No idea who bought it.

Jan

[ed uding]

36 units are sold till now, Russia Japan Usa Monaco and so on, it is all over the world.
We wait on the computers to send out 4 more sets.

Regards Ed


There is one in Germany too, that was the Delorean that was available for a test drive at DMC Eu 2 years ago.
No idea who bought it.

Jan

[vps3922]

Any news on the DIY writeup and pics?

[vps3922]

PING! Any news on the DIY project and write-up?

Thank you for your time!

[ai!]

PING! Any news on the DIY project and write-up?

Thank you for your time!

Sorry, I got too many other stuff to do, I just can't get to my DMC and uninstall the column to take some photos(((((

I hope to make 1 DIY manual for the power steering and power brakes (brake by wire setup that is in my mind now)

[vps3922]

Sorry, I got too many other stuff to do, I just can't get to my DMC and uninstall the column to take some photos(((((

I hope to make 1 DIY manual for the power steering and power brakes (brake by wire setup that is in my mind now)

Wow! That sounds like an interesting second project. I will wait.

[rtcraver]

Hello! I thought I would do a quick write-up on the power steering I just had installed. Simply put, I love it. I have not done testing on rougher roads yet, but this is my first impression. The main 2 reasons for getting this unit was to make parking easier (along with slow speed turning) and so that my wife could drive it more easily. Both were accomplished with flying colors. On top of that, I love how it feels like you just glide on the road, but still very keen to the handling. I don't know if that makes sense, but there is something about the ease of steering now that feels so much better to me. I have also noticed that the wheel vibration has diminished - the unit uses a new column so not sure what part of the install has helped with that. Thoughts? I can also parallel park the car with one finger. There is a switch installed to turn the unit off. Anyway, these are my first impressions and basics on the unit. I'll report back with a new thread after I have more experience with it.

What is the website where you got your power steering unit?