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Originally Posted by stevedmc
...for not moving this thread to the mod bashing thread.
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Originally Posted by stevedmc
...for not moving this thread to the mod bashing thread.
Just wanted to hang on to this gem.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevedmc
Elephant in the room is filling it up with elephant poop: The issue isn't so much splitting threads that have diverged or locking threads that have come to a natural conclusion. The issue is singling out Bill just because you have the power to do so. He didn't make any political or religious statements as far as I know. Sean, he really gets to you so much that you have to approve EVERY post? Really? Yes, you can now have complete agreement on everything. That and "I want a cheap Delorean, lol wtf omg!!!" threads from the new guys.
I'd also agree that there's a much smaller number of people who actively post, opposed to the overall number of members, so that should be taken into account. We constantly get threads and first posts by people who say "I want to put an (Insert Various Model) engine in a DeLorean." or "I love BTTF and want a BTTF car." that disappear before making 20 posts.
Per the topic at hand, I have no problem with Sean's discretion. I've noticed a few posts in the past that had been deleted, but that's minor. The ones that were, typically, removed, said something to the effect of "The problem is that you're still using K-Jet. If you switched to a carb, your car would be 100% drivable for less than $1,000.00." in a thread that was about re-doing the interior.
From a personal perspective, NONE of my posts about the quality (or lack thereof) of the products from DMCH had been deleted, nor modified. This said, to me, that we are able to freely discuss things that pertain to the parts without fear of retribution for voicing our own opinions. Heck, the thread bashing their decision to make underbodies wasn't modified and didn't get out of control.
The biggest issue seemed to be one poster who tended to pick fights with almost everyone; be it intentional or not. I remember once getting into it with him about Cadillac vs Lincoln on the .com site. Most of his problems came from his aggressive stance towards modification and doing things whatever way got the job done. He didn't seem to get at the fact that, as the old expression goes, "There's more than one way to skin a cat." It's a shame that he won't be posting anymore, because he provided a lot of good information, but that's the way it goes. I learned a lot from his posts, even if I knew I wasn't going to use 99% of it.
I don't see things as out of hand and the fact that we can have a thread like this is an excellent example of free speech.
So should the number of votes you can cast be proportional to the number of posts you have made? Wouldn't that make it interesting!Quote:
Originally Posted by stevedmc
fwiw, I have no problem with the few threads that have been closed, being closed, and if you scroll through the pages and pages of threads, there are very, very few, and most of them are duplicate topics. Sean usually adds a final post explaining his reasoning, which is good.
I think Sean, and that other guy (Mark or Mick or whatever his name is ;) ) do a great job of keeping the boards civil, as well as letting people show their personality. Which can often be a fine line. Sometimes that means deleting a post or two. As disfunctional and opinionated a bunch as we are, someone needs to herd us (as mentioned above). And I think they have been pretty consistent about it too.
Frankly I would be worried if protodelorean took over, as I am a prime Off-topic-er, though I will add that going OT is much more appropriate to the Open Discussion threads than the General Discussion threads. In GD, I would concur that a thread on k-jet needs to stay right there. If you want to discuss k-jet vs carb, start a specific topic on that.
Anyway, I hear Sean is a great guy. Look forward to meeting him at some point. :elmo1:
You mean Bill. Afraid of saying Bill's name? Everyone knows Bill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dracula
Yeah, yeah, he likes the way he does things. He defends his methods because his methods come under attack, when he's only trying himself to find different ways of making the car reliable for less money. This, by some members is termed as a "hack." Well, then, my Dad is a well known "hacker." They use the materials and know-how that they have on hand to get the job done, and they are eager (maybe over eager) to share their experiences. They used to call it "Hot Rodding." There's nothing wrong with it, and I often marvel at the mind set and the kind of solutions that it produces.
You can't go into a gym without some guy saying, "No, do it this way" or "you should take suppliment XYZ" That's often irritating, but mostly harmless, and whatever the motive, it's probably not done in a cunning way to hurt someone else, which is unlike the bullies on .org that have to resort to overmoderating each and every post just because you get tired of talking to him... when it wasn't incumbent upon you to communicate with him in the first place.
Bill has not been banned and is free to post.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamHill
Which is why I changed it immediately after I wrote it.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean
Another edit: I have no issue with Sean moving, splitting, unsplitting, deleting or doing whatever he sees fit other than what has already been stated.
First, Sean is right... there really have not been that many threads closed or deleted. When we DELETE a thread, it is usually because there is already a thread on the subject matter, or someone multi-posts in multiple threads with the same topic, fishing for answers.
Threads like the "bash a moderator", "bash Sean", "bash whomever", etc... were started for lighthearted fun, and after a while they get shut down because frankly it's old and not funny anymore. Really, nothing lost there... Then another member starts ANOTHER thread about locking that thread, and even though it was a joke, it's not going to continue so it gets locked and delted. No harm done... no valuable info lost, etc...
Do threads get deleted? Not as much as you think. You see threads MOVED alot because we MERGE threads. We also do split threads because, being brutally honest, some of you have 12 track minds. We will be on the topic of some guy on the side of a road with an electrical issue, and someone will chime in saying his fuel pump in his mustang shuts off when the AC kicks on. What the hell does that have to do with anything?!? So we split the thread.
Do posts get deleted? Yes they do. Example: Someone is talking about an issue on their EFI setup, and someone chimes in that they are stupid for not putting a carburetor on the car, and two other people join in and heckle the guy who made the carb suggestion. Guess what?
a) a carb is not helping the original poster's issue, so we delete the post from the guy who made the suggestion
b) the 6 posts afterwards heckling the guy with the carb post gets deleted too because it has no bearing on the original poster's issue THAT WE ARE TRYING TO SOLVE!
If your post is one of those that was an off shoot of the derailment post, then your stuff gets deleted. Sorry, but we have to keep threads on track, especially when they are not in the open discussion section.
Do we split threads?
Yes we do. Say a person says something that generates interest... but does so in someone else's thread. We split that. No harm no foul.
As far as the situation with Bill, it's not just Sean. Members also shot us PM's on the old form as well as THIS forum because of his posts, his replies, etc... Easily, he could make posts that are helpful in nature, but when other members start complaining that the pot is being stirred too much, or that they don't like his posts, or report his posts, Sean has to take action, whether or not Bill or his friends agree. Bill's log in information was NOT tampered with, his account was NOT deleted, contrary to what you are being told. He is on a moderated status, which means he can still post, but his posts have to be approved for a time being.
With that being said....
On a personal note, I love working with Sean and Tamir. Nothing but amazing communication with them, and I vote he should change nothing.
I'm all for splitting threads in an effort to organize information. One of the things that makes this forum so much better than the DML, aside from the people, is how easy it is to look up information.
The moderators do a great job of keeping information sorted. What sucks is when my posts about sucking get deleted.
The real question is, who's votes count? Does theMonch count as one of the 900 or so people who's vote counts?