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    Biggest thing that will slow you down is the possibility of breaking bolts. One nice thing about doing the work yourself is you have the time to go at your own pace and you can replace every single bolt and washer as you go. There are intake gasket kits available from the vendors. You'll probably find more things to do while you go inside. Probably want to remove the Y-pipe and get the under side of it milled flat. Replace all the water and heater hoses in the Vee and along the back of the engine. New hot water valve. Replace all vacuum lines. Maybe cap and rotor, plug wires, etc.

    If all you want to do is ask a shop to strictly replace the water pump and nothing else "while you're in there", then one thing that can go wrong is if they replace the o-ring under the fuel distributor while rebuilding the intake system. That o-ring has a role in setting the vertical height of the fuel distributor in relation to the roller on the air meter see-saw. It will be necessary to set the CO again if that o-ring is replaced. That might throw the tech for a loop if he can't get the car started when he's done.

    Note that it's not necessary to remove the FD since you can take it out along with the entire air meter system as a unit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82DMC12 View Post
    Note that it's not necessary to remove the FD since you can take it out along with the entire air meter system as a unit.

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    Or even at all! With some careful placement, it can be put to the side still hooked up. That's master-level of course. I think the trickiest physical step is getting the manifold out, especially
    if you have the factory routed engine bay harness, which runs over the top.

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    It is not that I am trying to scare anyone from doing this, I just want to make sure the OP understands that this is not going to be a quick and easy repair, especially if any bolts break. IMHO this is not a beginner's level job. That is not to say it can't be done by a beginner, it is just that it is a big job and I think a beginner should start with smaller, easier to accomplish jobs to build up confidence and skill. If the OP decides to tackle this, the entire forum will be at his disposal to guide him through it. That in itself is a gamechanger over the way it used to be done. See one, do one, teach one. Simple hand tools can get it done but if bolts break all bets are off. Removing broken bolts will require a whole arsenal of tools and a lot of skill to avoid ruining things. As for removing the F/D, one way is to just undo one side and flop the whole mess over, out of the way. I prefer to remove it so it is out of the way and I can clean things up easier but if time is scarce, the less you remove the less you have to put back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David T View Post
    If you do not have at least *some* experience doing automotive work and have some hand tools, it is probably best to not start with this job.
    Ok captain obvious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by David T View Post
    It is not that I am trying to scare anyone from doing this, I just want to make sure the OP understands that this is not going to be a quick and easy repair, especially if any bolts break. IMHO this is not a beginner's level job. That is not to say it can't be done by a beginner, it is just that it is a big job and I think a beginner should start with smaller, easier to accomplish jobs to build up confidence and skill. If the OP decides to tackle this, the entire forum will be at his disposal to guide him through it. That in itself is a gamechanger over the way it used to be done. See one, do one, teach one. Simple hand tools can get it done but if bolts break all bets are off. Removing broken bolts will require a whole arsenal of tools and a lot of skill to avoid ruining things. As for removing the F/D, one way is to just undo one side and flop the whole mess over, out of the way. I prefer to remove it so it is out of the way and I can clean things up easier but if time is scarce, the less you remove the less you have to put back.
    I appreciate the healthy dose of fear. Genuinely concerned with getting in over my head with the lack of skill and time. We will see what kind of mood I am in when the parts arrive! I appreciate all the insight. Please know that I reserve the right to come back and ask dumb questions if I get stuck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trevino08 View Post
    I appreciate the healthy dose of fear. Genuinely concerned with getting in over my head with the lack of skill and time. We will see what kind of mood I am in when the parts arrive! I appreciate all the insight. Please know that I reserve the right to come back and ask dumb questions if I get stuck!
    At the start of this thread you said you'd read about how to do the job.

    a. In case you didn't see one of the How-To threads in this forum about removing the intake manifold check this one out. Open the linked How-To document in the first post there. Take lots of detail photos during the teardown.
    b. Since you'll replace your water pump you'll be working on coolant hoses in there. In that case rent or buy an automotive cooling system pressure test kit so you know the system is solid before the manifold goes back on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich View Post
    At the start of this thread you said you'd read about how to do the job.

    a. In case you didn't see one of the How-To threads in this forum about removing the intake manifold check this one out. Open the linked How-To document in the first post there. Take lots of detail photos during the teardown.
    b. Since you'll replace your water pump you'll be working on coolant hoses in there. In that case rent or buy an automotive cooling system pressure test kit so you know the system is solid before the manifold goes back on.
    I gave up on renting these and bought my own. I rented two at different auto parts stores, both were defective and giving false negatives. Who knows how they have been abused.

    First I bought this one at Harbor Freight but believe it or not, it doesn't come with the right ends to test both the cap and the header bottle. I returned it 30 minutes later. https://www.harborfreight.com/radiat...kit-63862.html

    I ended up getting the one linked below but the NAPA branded version because I could pick it up same day. Works perfectly and finally have a gauge I can trust. You should probably be testing your cooling system for leaks annually anyway since we have so many damn hoses up and down the car. If you have your own, you're more likely to do it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82DMC12 View Post
    I gave up on renting these and bought my own. I rented two at different auto parts stores, both were defective and giving false negatives.
    Yes, and in particular the rental I got from Autozone starts losing pressure around its neck at 10 PSI. So, I only tested up to that. It's been fine, nevertheless.

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    Of all the repairs a novice mechanic can successfully complete on the DeLorean, Water pump and valley hoses isn't one of them. The three bolts holding the pump in, along with the four bolts for the Y-pipe are, in my experience, the most corrosion prone fasteners on the car. At this point, after doing over 10 valley jobs, I count on the bolts breaking, and build the labor to extract and repair threads into my estimate.

    My advice to OP, connect with local owners and ask for help.

    Also, very few shops will take the time or have the skill necessary to complete this job, and do it right. The newest Volvo with a PRV is 32 years old at this point, so be wary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethan Rode View Post
    Of all the repairs a novice mechanic can successfully complete on the DeLorean, Water pump and valley hoses isn't one of them.
    I did it, as a novice mechanic. My problem with David T's post is that it contained no specifics whatsoever nor any encouragement to even learn anything. Really, it was somewhat
    elitist.

    Anyway, I think we're getting ahead of ourselves with bolts. Sure, maybe there's a problem he deems too hard and has to stop, but I don't think we should be discouraging anybody from
    learning anything.

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