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Thread: VIN 11596 Frame Swap - a rolling frame-off restoration

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    Senior Member 82DMC12's Avatar
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    I meant to post this a while back - here is a printable Body - Frame Separation Checklist. I used the original list provided here: https://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?1...tion-Checklist but then as I went along with it on my clipboard, I added notes, clarification, and additional items I found that needed to be disconnected.

    Hope it helps anyone out there who is about to do a frame-en-dectomy!

    Feel free to email me if you find any mistakes and I will correct it.

    DeLorean Body - Frame Separation Checklist.pdf
    Andy Lien

    VIN 11596 Jan 1982 build - owned since Nov. 2000!
    Total frame-off restoration completed 2021-2023

    Photography and Backpacking is life.

    Was Fargo, ND
    Now Kansas City

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    Senior Member 82DMC12's Avatar
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    This week I received new cups and springs for my inner tie rods from Rob Grady. This was my next project - set the pre-tension on the inner tie rods correctly since last time I I had the rack apart (about a year ago) I didn't realize there was a "trick" to setting it properly. When I tightened the two large silver nuts that keep the tie rod on, I had set it so there was no play in the rod, but turns out you actually have to turn it a few turns tighter than that. You actually can use a spring scale to set the correct tension, which is what I did this weekend.

    The rack came out easy, considering I just installed a few months ago during the frame swap. U-joints were easy to slip apart and the rack came out no problem. This time I used a red paint pen and marked the pinon and first U-joint so I could attempt to keep the wheel straight when I was done.

    I checked the pre-tension with my spring scale and there was essentially zero tension since the tie rod was fairly floppy and hanging down. it measured 400 grams.

    Snipped the zip ties holding the passenger side boot on and slid the boot off the rack tube, draining as much gear oil as I could into a paint mixing measuring cup. I wanted to make sure I replaced about equal amount that comes out.

    I drilled out the pin on the two nuts and backed everything apart so I could remove the inner tie rod, clean it up, and change out the cups and springs. On reassembly, I kept tightening, and then checking, the tension required to lift the tie rod from horizontal into an arc. My target was 2.25 to 2.5 kg which is about 5 lbs of tension as per Rob Grady. This means the spring is getting slightly compressed, and when I was satisfied with the tension, the tie rod would stay in place no matter where I set it. Fortunately on both sides, the pin holes for the nuts lined back up again so it was easy to drive new pins in and finish up.

    Those who have done this rack removal job will understand when I say it took me at least 45 minutes of cussing to get the driver side rubber bushing oriented correctly and installed.

    I was lucky enough to get the red paint matched up and my wheel is straight just as before - but now, there is zero play in the steering wheel and my rack feels nice and tight once again! Successful job and learning something new.

    As for my alignment, logic suggests I have SLIGHTLY more toe-in now since both tie rods were tensioned inward. I will get the toe checked real quick at the alignment shop sometime in the next couple of weeks, then I can repaint the tie rod ends black so they don't get rusty.

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    Pre-tension before servicing the tie rod - basically zero, just the weight of the rod end.








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    Another view of checking the tension. I held the tube in place on the ground while lifting up on the tie rod with my other hand and checking the constant force needed to keep the tie rod moving in an upward arc. 2.25 to 2.5 kg is good tension.
    Andy Lien

    VIN 11596 Jan 1982 build - owned since Nov. 2000!
    Total frame-off restoration completed 2021-2023

    Photography and Backpacking is life.

    Was Fargo, ND
    Now Kansas City

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82DMC12 View Post
    This week I received new cups and springs for my inner tie rods from Rob Grady. This was my next project - set the pre-tension on the inner tie rods correctly since last time I I had the rack apart (about a year ago) I didn't realize there was a "trick" to setting it properly. When I tightened the two large silver nuts that keep the tie rod on, I had set it so there was no play in the rod, but turns out you actually have to turn it a few turns tighter than that. You actually can use a spring scale to set the correct tension, which is what I did this weekend.

    The rack came out easy, considering I just installed a few months ago during the frame swap. U-joints were easy to slip apart and the rack came out no problem. This time I used a red paint pen and marked the pinon and first U-joint so I could attempt to keep the wheel straight when I was done.

    I checked the pre-tension with my spring scale and there was essentially zero tension since the tie rod was fairly floppy and hanging down. it measured 400 grams.

    Snipped the zip ties holding the passenger side boot on and slid the boot off the rack tube, draining as much gear oil as I could into a paint mixing measuring cup. I wanted to make sure I replaced about equal amount that comes out.

    I drilled out the pin on the two nuts and backed everything apart so I could remove the inner tie rod, clean it up, and change out the cups and springs. On reassembly, I kept tightening, and then checking, the tension required to lift the tie rod from horizontal into an arc. My target was 2.25 to 2.5 kg which is about 5 lbs of tension as per Rob Grady. This means the spring is getting slightly compressed, and when I was satisfied with the tension, the tie rod would stay in place no matter where I set it. Fortunately on both sides, the pin holes for the nuts lined back up again so it was easy to drive new pins in and finish up.

    Those who have done this rack removal job will understand when I say it took me at least 45 minutes of cussing to get the driver side rubber bushing oriented correctly and installed.

    I was lucky enough to get the red paint matched up and my wheel is straight just as before - but now, there is zero play in the steering wheel and my rack feels nice and tight once again! Successful job and learning something new.

    As for my alignment, logic suggests I have SLIGHTLY more toe-in now since both tie rods were tensioned inward. I will get the toe checked real quick at the alignment shop sometime in the next couple of weeks, then I can repaint the tie rod ends black so they don't get rusty.

    PXL_20230526_190554481.jpg












    Pre-tension before servicing the tie rod - basically zero, just the weight of the rod end.








    PXL_20230526_203414751.jpg








    Another view of checking the tension. I held the tube in place on the ground while lifting up on the tie rod with my other hand and checking the constant force needed to keep the tie rod moving in an upward arc. 2.25 to 2.5 kg is good tension.
    Good job. I was going to rebuild my rack but ended up just buying one of D-Ind. Bullitproof rebuilt racks instead when I bought my pile of stuff in person there.
    Kind of glad I did since it is taking for...ever to get anything done on this.

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    Senior Member 82DMC12's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by SupercoolBill View Post
    Good job. I was going to rebuild my rack but ended up just buying one of D-Ind. Bullitproof rebuilt racks instead when I bought my pile of stuff in person there.
    Kind of glad I did since it is taking for...ever to get anything done on this.

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    Well you'll have a great rack out of the box. I've had fun taking mine apart and putting it back together but I had to do it twice because I didn't know any better. Steering is no joke and it's really a safety thing too. Nice thing about a DeLorean is the steering is fantastic, only downside is a wide-ish turning radius. Power steering not needed at all as long as the car is moving.
    Andy Lien

    VIN 11596 Jan 1982 build - owned since Nov. 2000!
    Total frame-off restoration completed 2021-2023

    Photography and Backpacking is life.

    Was Fargo, ND
    Now Kansas City

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    Well I haven't driven the car for a few days due to busy life (got a new 20'x12' deck installed on the back of the house!) and rain during the day, but I forgot to post a picture of my louvers after getting them refinished. They look great and now I see in the picture it's time to give the car a wash again. Dusty!

    Also glad to say there are no leaks found after fixing the washer fluid bottle and the diff nut. I should scrub the floors in the garage now that I'm not dripping onto it anymore....

    What's next?
    • Get alignment checked again and then paint the tie rods with black POR15
    • Maybe same shop can check my headlight alignment. I did my best to get it lined up on the garage door but I'm sure a pro will do a better job
    • stitch the top hole of my leather shift boot so it stays up and under the shifter ball (got a leather sewing kit on Amazon the other day)
    • Fix driver side seat back that keeps popping out


    If I can get those small issues fixed this year that would be great. Everything else I want to do can wait until winter or next year.

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    Andy Lien

    VIN 11596 Jan 1982 build - owned since Nov. 2000!
    Total frame-off restoration completed 2021-2023

    Photography and Backpacking is life.

    Was Fargo, ND
    Now Kansas City

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    Drove the DeLorean to work today. Finally some nice weather with no storms predicted. I was able to really enjoy the tightened up steering now on my 20 minute commute. This car is feeling and driving better than it ever has in my 23 year ownership.

    Currently running my coilovers (DPI SPEC QA1's) at 7 in the front and 8 in the rear. Feels great, will have to check on the interstate next where before I was getting some porpoising-like bounce on some stretches.

    There is a rattle in either the louvers or the engine cover after we adjusted them a couple weeks ago. Will look at it again soon.

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    Andy Lien

    VIN 11596 Jan 1982 build - owned since Nov. 2000!
    Total frame-off restoration completed 2021-2023

    Photography and Backpacking is life.

    Was Fargo, ND
    Now Kansas City

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82DMC12 View Post
    Drove the DeLorean to work today. Finally some nice weather with no storms predicted. I was able to really enjoy the tightened up steering now on my 20 minute commute. This car is feeling and driving better than it ever has in my 23 year ownership.

    Currently running my coilovers (DPI SPEC QA1's) at 7 in the front and 8 in the rear. Feels great, will have to check on the interstate next where before I was getting some porpoising-like bounce on some stretches.

    There is a rattle in either the louvers or the engine cover after we adjusted them a couple weeks ago. Will look at it again soon.

    PXL_20230606_140342333.jpg
    looks great Andy
    Matt
    Vin: 3743 Sept. 81 build
    Black interior, Automatic soon to be 5/Speed Converted

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    Quote Originally Posted by FLUX @88 View Post
    looks great Andy

    Thank you! Maybe after I give it another wash and do a barkeepers friend job on it I'll get around to taking some nice beauty shots. Been a very long time since I did that.
    Andy Lien

    VIN 11596 Jan 1982 build - owned since Nov. 2000!
    Total frame-off restoration completed 2021-2023

    Photography and Backpacking is life.

    Was Fargo, ND
    Now Kansas City

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    Quote Originally Posted by 82DMC12 View Post
    Drove the DeLorean to work today. Finally some nice weather with no storms predicted. I was able to really enjoy the tightened up steering now on my 20 minute commute. This car is feeling and driving better than it ever has in my 23 year ownership.

    Currently running my coilovers (DPI SPEC QA1's) at 7 in the front and 8 in the rear. Feels great, will have to check on the interstate next where before I was getting some porpoising-like bounce on some stretches.

    There is a rattle in either the louvers or the engine cover after we adjusted them a couple weeks ago. Will look at it again soon.

    PXL_20230606_140342333.jpg
    B-E-A-utiful.

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    Senior Member 82DMC12's Avatar
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    A couple times a year I pull my spark plugs out and give them a check. I've done it twice this year so far since a couple years ago I had some issues with sooting, and then with hot/lean ashing. Once I found that, I did a tune up and used a smoke machine to correct any vacuum leaks, replaced the O2 sensor and fuel filter, really dialed in the dwell, and also stopped using NGK plugs and went back to Bosch Copper. This time I also did a compression check since I had all six plugs out anyway.

    I'd say my combustion looks fantastic, and the compression is very strong for a 41 year old PRV. These plugs have about 750 miles on them. Based on what I'm seeing I don't think I need to check them again until next year.

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    Andy Lien

    VIN 11596 Jan 1982 build - owned since Nov. 2000!
    Total frame-off restoration completed 2021-2023

    Photography and Backpacking is life.

    Was Fargo, ND
    Now Kansas City

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