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    '82 T3 FABombjoy's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWin View Post
    Try tapping an M8 thread and using en M8 bolt? Time-Sert time?
    There is enough room for this, and the M8 bolt will be stronger.

    Should you decide later in life that you don't like having a larger, stronger bolt and saving all that money on a Time-sert kit, the proper drill & counter bore tools for an M7 Time-sert are a bit larger than 8mm.
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    To add, I think 3 out of 4 of my Y-pipe bolts are 8mm now.

    And my "task failed successfully" is that I punctured the water jacket on one of them. It's not what you want to do but it's not a big deal that requires pulling the engine or any fancy repairs.
    I tapped it to 8mm, selected a replacement 8mm bolt of suitable depth, coated the bottom threads in teflon tape, and installed it. Passed a pressure check no problem.
    That was 18 years ago and it's never leaked a drop.
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    Thanks!

    Quote Originally Posted by FABombjoy View Post
    There is enough room for this, and the M8 bolt will be stronger.

    Should you decide later in life that you don't like having a larger, stronger bolt and saving all that money on a Time-sert kit, the proper drill & counter bore tools for an M7 Time-sert are a bit larger than 8mm.
    That is actually a great ay of thinking about it. If there is room for an 8mm bolt, sticking one in there isn't a problem. There was also a hole on my alternator that I had to turn up one size to get the deloreango tensioner bracket on. Nobody died or caught fire by having me do that.

    Quote Originally Posted by FABombjoy View Post
    To add, I think 3 out of 4 of my Y-pipe bolts are 8mm now.

    And my "task failed successfully" is that I punctured the water jacket on one of them. It's not what you want to do but it's not a big deal that requires pulling the engine or any fancy repairs.
    I tapped it to 8mm, selected a replacement 8mm bolt of suitable depth, coated the bottom threads in teflon tape, and installed it. Passed a pressure check no problem.
    That was 18 years ago and it's never leaked a drop.
    As you can see from the pictures above, I used depth markings on the drill to prevent that from happening. I think I dodged that bullet, but it is very nice to know that it can be easily fixed/ignored.
    Please excuse the crudity of this DeLorean as I didn't have time to repair it yet.
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    Arrow Derp?

    Ok, now I am off to bed. I think I'm beginning to see thing... I can see inside the hole that the threads are stripped out. But, I can put an M7 bolt in there and torque it to specs (is the spec correct at 14Nm?) with no issue. If I'm lucky I didn't damage the thread too badly. But what then - can I just leave it as is? Or will it fail under load even though it torques to spec? More sleep is needed...
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    A lot of older engines have bolts going into the water jacket. They just use a sealer on the bolt threads. I use Permatex non hardening sealer in that case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrWin View Post
    Ok, now I am off to bed. I think I'm beginning to see thing... I can see inside the hole that the threads are stripped out. But, I can put an M7 bolt in there and torque it to specs (is the spec correct at 14Nm?) with no issue. If I'm lucky I didn't damage the thread too badly. But what then - can I just leave it as is? Or will it fail under load even though it torques to spec? More sleep is needed...
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    Drill it out and use a timesert. In the event that the regular Time-sert doesn't work because of the hole, they even make a model called "Bigsert" where the other portion of the timesert is much larger to fix really messed up holes like from previous coil repairs (failed helicoils) or a drill bit wandering. http://www.timesert.com/html/bigsert.html

    You don't want to have to get back in there after putting it all back together.

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