Very few american cars sell outside of America, but plenty of european cars sell in America. I think you're xenophobic rather than having any real reason to say european cars suck. That and you're sore about the point that Europe is actually a much larger producer and consumer of cars than the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
BTW K-Jetronic was used in Europe extensively by Ford and I believe Vauxhall/Opel too (GM IOW).
Thanks to you, a lot of people immediately jump to conclusions when "my car won't start" but often it's fuel pump or ignition related - something your carb'd engine has in common.Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
K-Jet can't go wrong overnight unless there's crap in the system. It's that simple.
The engine will run even if there's trouble with the lambda, cold start and idle systems. THESE ARE NOT PART OF THE INJECTION SYSTEM.
And yes, I'm no fan of the lambda system either and bin it where I can. But if not "teetering on a knife edge" means running rich all the time, I'd prefer to set up engines to run at optimum as designed.
And your point is.....? you've just said something similar to "the car will never handle right if one of the tyres is flat."Quote:
If all 6 injectors are not spraying equally (sometimes not even spraying at all), then there is absolutely no way your car will ever run right.
Yeah, it's simpler and worse.Quote:
Carburetion may not be perfect, but it does at least have only one centralized point of fuel delivery.
Oh good, feel free not to reply to this post.Quote:
Anyway, I have no desire to engage in yet another K-Jet vs carburetion pissing match.
Can you undertake to get involved with other discussions without your soap box then?Quote:
No one can deny that there is a small group of owners who, for whatever reason unique to each, do not want K-Jet. Protestations that "K-Jet can be made to work" and exhortations to "learn to live with it" ring hollow in their ears. They don't want K-Jet -- period. They want a traditional North American carburetor. No one is denying that many owners seem to at least come to peace with K-Jet, and some actually like it, but carb users are not those owners. They are themselves. For a variety of reasons they want a carburetor. Those are the people I work with.
K-Jet blows.
Martin is a doo doo head.
Steve is a rocket scientist.
And I've just been contacted by another owner interested in converting to carburetion.
Life goes on.
Bill Robertson
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So you just drop a line down on the tank with a pick up screen on it?Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
No, I need to eat -- carb converters get the leftover containers (Farrar apparently needs to eat too -- he provided his own baffle).
Fuel in the bowl has its own buffering effect. If the pump sucks air, the venturis will never know it unless the bowl runs dry. You've got slightly less than a mile at low RPM's before that happens.
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Still though, no pickup screen?Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Attachment 4865
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I suppose that's a filter of some sort?
I like that Bill!
Until I saw you "had to eat", I was going to suggest something similar to one of these fluid conducting swivel joints. (Check out the rotational torque rates p.27)
Ron just went down two points on the Suck-O-Meter.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron
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Other than to say 'That's Punny', I wouldn't touch that line with a 10' pole....:doorpeek:Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Hey, I thought I was off of your $hit list:
Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
My sincerest apologies -- I did not mean to overlook you:
K-Jet blows.
Martin is a doo doo head.
Steve is a rocket scientist.
Ron sucks (but less than he did yesterday)
And I've just been contacted by another owner interested in converting to carburetion.
Life goes on.
Bill Robertson
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This question seems to have been lost in the fracas, so I'll answer it: Yes, that is a 300-micron "fuel inlet filter." Some fuel pumps come with the inlet filter, but you can also buy them separately. Although it technically filters fuel, it is not to be confused with the main "fuel filter" which is far finer and sits closer to the carburetor.Quote:
Originally Posted by sean
Farrar
Naw, I'm not sure bill is accustom to answering my questions ;-/. So it sounds like it is simply the carb kit version of a pick up screen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farrar
I guess you will be wanting this, then. I was going to buy it as a spare, but my wallet can't handle it right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Edit: Never mind; wrong size venturi. Good thing I have an eye doctor appointment Thursday.
Farrar
I've got a house full of cores already.Quote:
Originally Posted by Farrar
That's an Autolite 2100. The Motorcraft redesign has a few advantages:
- Better pulloff
- Better choke plate to choke mechanism adjustment
- Bigger chimneys (you'll appreciate those if you ever need to fill the bowl manually)
- PCV in the carb itself (Autolites did PCV through a spacer between the carb and manifold)
- Spark advance barb (Autolites have a threaded port for a hard line)
Bill Robertson
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Bad news: I just did a cost analysis, and inflation has driven up materials costs for a carb conversion. Bulk aluminum and aluminum pipe for the fuel pump carrier are the largest culprits. Brass fittings are up too, but they were only a couple of dollars to begin with. Fuel pumps have jumped up nearly $15, which is a 33% price hike. Altogether, before going to Autozone to research hose costs, it looks like 5 speed conversions are going cost me slightly more than $1,000 to make. Automatics will be at least $50 higher.
This assumes my aluminum welder isn't going to increase his labor charge too.
Still not a bad bargain when you consider *MY* labor is free (including driving to your house to help you install it, but you will have to feed me).
There is no charge for the tank baffle.
Bill Robertson
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I think my fuel pump is faulty. The car will die after going down a hill after it levels and starts to incline again. Then it leaves me stranded for about 10-20min until I can roll the car down to a flat surface and let it sit for a bit. It's a real pain in the ass when I'm trying to get to work on time. It's a bigger pain in the ass that I've only had the time to put about two tanks of gas in the car since my carb conversion. If they're cheap I may have to get two. :boxface:
First & foremost: make sure your problem is in fact the pump. You may have to look inside the bowl to make sure. I chased an intermittent problem on one of my church's school buses for months before I finally caught the vehicle red handed on the side of the road with an empty bowl (and even then the problem didn't go away -- I replaced the pump, but it happened again, ultimately turning out to be a bad tank pickup).
You will likely need to carry a volt meter and some wire to diagnose this one. I would run a dedicated ground wire from the battery to the front of the car (don't depend upon the frame ground -- more & more owners are reporting problems with the terminal that grounds the frame to the battery). If your pump does stop spinning, connect it to that ground. And of course check for 12v on the positive side.
Fuel pumps themselves don't usually come & go (mechanical or electrical). Mechanical pumps used to get weak, but they never came back to full strength (they just got weaker & weaker). Electric pumps typically stop working altogether and never come back. Fuel itself used to suffer what was known as vapor lock (gas boiled in the line so the pump was pumping vapor rather than liquid), which would come & go with heat, but that was a problem with engine mounted pumps -- tank mounted pumps can't vapor lock. An electrical problem could come & go, especially if it is caused by a failing solder joint.
Ignition problems definitely can come & go. I'd suspect an intermittent ignition problem before I'd suspect an intermittent fuel problem (an old mechanic once told me that 9 out of 10 vehicle running problems are electrically caused, not fuel related). When your car stops running, do you even have spark? A quick way to check is to clip a timing light on any plug wire, as close to the plug as possible, and watch for it to flash as you crank the engine (if you haven't done this mod, I highly recommend it so you can crank the engine while standing behind the car: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQQiUh3lbdQ).
I can't help but wonder how many DeLorean running problems are simply caused by electricity's inability to do its job, some of which is faulty design, and some of which is simple degradation. Owners often are pretty good at checking the positive side of circuits, but tend to neglect the negative side (remember that the electrons actually flow from negative to positive -- that's why you see so many melted fuse blocks, inertia switches, etc).
I notice you haven't posted since August 12. Both of these threads were started since then. You might find them helpful as you run down this problem:
http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?1360-Ground-Bus
http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?13...ound-Schematic
Check out these two consecutive posts: Dan in Florida had persistent electrical problems at his pump until he regrounded the inertia switch: http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?13...ll=1#post15168.
Dave McKeen also resolved a persistent pump problem by regrounding it: http://dmctalk.org/showthread.php?10...el+pump+ground.
My pump is connected directly to a 4 gauge ground bus (no inertia switch), which is itself connected directly to the battery -- guaranteed no electrical problems (I've also pulled the RPM relay out of the circuit -- those definitely fail after 12 plus hours of continuous use).
Bill Robertson
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Hey, Bill -- use this video instead! :)Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oELjZdBwe1Y
Farrar
Yeah, something wasn't set right when you filmed that.
This is how Farrar's engine typically starts, when he hasn't screwed something up (literally screwed -- like all great experimenters, Farrar can not resist turning screws, if for no other reason than simply to see what they do): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sFEp...eature=related.
Bill Robertson
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With that logic carbs suck AND blow, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Oh dear -- Ron just went back up on the Suck-O-Meter.
Hopefully he will behave himself so he doesn't peg the gauge altogether.
Bill Robertson
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Why is that? ...it is a legitimate question which I'm sure you feel qualified to answer, since it is about your statement, and it's sincere.Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
So, it is you that goes up on the Suck-O-Meter for not behaving, huh?
I am the evil overlord of alternative DeLorean fuel delivery, commanding an army of 11 minions.
Bill Robertson
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I prefer "Provider of the Kool-Aid".Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Nobody goes to ComicCon dressed up like Jim Jones.
I want a suit with big wings and an armored plate across my chest.
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You could be the trend setter, just like carbs!Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Dang Bill, he wasn't kidding! ...what happened to you!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by opethmikeYour face sucks.Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Attachment 4916
Nevermind...I see you are working from the top down.Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Looks like he's mutated:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ron
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/87/27...dfdd3c7831.jpg
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So, without K-Jet to "blow" the fuel, carbed engines must suck more than K-Jet engines?
Carb envy appears to be affecting both your logic and coherence. Might be best for you to refrain from speaking publicly about the subject until you have received professional therapeutic assistance.
Not only is my carburetor bigger than yours, but I have a house full of the damn things.
Bill Robertson
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It's a carbrothel!Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Farrar
That's Bill speak for "drink the kool-aid!" :DQuote:
Originally Posted by content22207
I prefer diet cheer wine!Quote:
Originally Posted by sean
I could trade in my Evil Overlord costume for a dirty raincoat.
"Hey little boy, don't you want a carburetor? All the cool kids have one. Just try one -- if you don't like it, you can always go back."
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Bill R: How very much I've tried my best to give you a good fuel delivery. But in spite of all of my trying a handful of our people, with their lies, have made our lives impossible. There's no way to detach ourselves from what's happened today.Quote:
Originally Posted by content22207
Lay down your burden. I'm gonna lay down my burden. Shall we lay them down here in Laurinburg?
SamHill: Are we gonna go back to K-Jet?
Bill R. : What's that? I want to see (voices shouting) ... please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please, please.
It's all over. Sean's argument has been murdered. (Music and singing.) Well, it's all over, all over. What a legacy, what a legacy. What the K-Jet Brigade doin' that once ever made any sense anyway? They invaded our privacy. They came into our threads. They followed us. Stevedmc showed them justice. Martin UK's points are all dead. (Music only.)
Please get us some fabricated manifolds. It's simple. It's simple. There's no convulsions with it. It's just simple. Just, please get it. Before it's too late. DMCH will be here, I tell you. Get movin', get movin', get movin'.
Farrar: Now. Do it now!
Bill R. Please. For God's sake, let's get on with it. We've lived--we've lived as no other people lived. We've had as much of this K-Jet horseshit as you're gonna get. Let's just be done with it. Let's be done with the agony of it. (Minions Applaud.)
It's far, far harder to have lived with K-Jet every day, than to die slow--they'll pay for it. This is a revolutionary conversion. This is not a destructive conversion. So they'll pay for this. They brought this upon us. And they'll pay for that. I leave that destiny to them.
(Voices.)
Bill R. Take our K-Jet wiring from us. We cut it out. We got tired. We didn't commit butchery, we committed an act of revolutionary fuel delivery protesting the conditions of an inhumane fuel delivery.
Nonsense.
(Tape Ends.)
Is this supposed to be a parody of a song? Although I am a rocket scientist, for some reason I don't get it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SamHill
*sigh*Quote:
Originally Posted by stevedmc
YOUNG PEOPLE!
http://www.archive.org/details/ptc1978-11-18.flac16
As less than a rocket scientist I get it even less.Quote:
Originally Posted by stevedmc